Alan Pace Interview

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:12 am

Weirdly Pace seems to do have done an interview with Belgian Press.

https://www.hln.be/buitenlands-voetbal/ ... um=twitter

Does anyone have an account with this company?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:14 am

Saw this - tried using a website to remove the paywall but it didn’t work.

Can’t imagine anyone has a hln account either…

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:16 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:14 am
Saw this - tried using a website to remove the paywall but it didn’t work.

Can’t imagine anyone has a hln account either…

Was hoping Belgianclaret might haha

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:25 am

FOOTBALLOperation Rejuvenation has been deployed at Burnley FC. In the core, but also in the coaching staff. Coach Vincent Kompany marks "a new beginning," according to Burnley chairman Alan Pace. And for this our compatriot gets a say, time and a lot of confidence. “Vincent is exceptionally intelligent, both emotionally and rationally. I'm not going to lie: you can't help but be impressed by someone of such caliber.”

The East Lancashire derby? I had never heard of that before. But I'm guaranteed to see what they mean this year." (laughs)

Alan Pace has a past on Wall Street. In other words, he knows how to handle money and where to invest. A year and a half ago, he took charge of Burnley. His greatest achievement? Last Tuesday, the appointment of Vincent Kompany as manager.

Fans here in the pubs - whether they were sober I can't say - say they would rather win the two derbies against Blackburn Rovers than promote. Agree?

(laughs) Do they say that? That makes it a lot easier for us. No, we would like to get our PhD again soon. Hopefully we can do that with Vincent's help."

It's very interesting to see how players react when Kompany speaks to them. They are more attracted to him than to other managers we had in mind

How did you end up with Vincent Kompany?
“We were impressed with what he did at Anderlecht. How he has contributed to the development of young players and how he has reformed the club after a lesser period. We want to take steps, especially in our youth work, and Vincent has experience in this. It's very interesting to see how players react when he speaks to them. They are more attracted to him than to other managers we had in mind. Look. We could also have chosen another manager, one who might bring us back to the Premier League at short notice. But we stick to our long-term vision, and a young coach like Vincent just fits better in that."

Has it played a role that, with all his connections at Manchester City, among others, he can convince players to come to Burnley?

"Absolute. When he talks to other clubs, they open up to him more easily. Because they know who he is, but especially because they know how he works. He wants to get the best out of the players and the club. We want players to succeed here, and for the club to be successful. If both parties will benefit if Vincent can convince them… Why not?”

What impression has he made on you as a person so far?
"Fantastic. He is exceptionally intelligent, both emotionally and rationally. He can express himself well, and at the same time listen to what you have to say. We also had the same vision on many things. I'm not going to lie: you can't help but be impressed by someone of such caliber. And yet it felt like I was just going to have a coke with a friend. His goals and ambitions are perfectly in line with our club.”

Which way does he want Burnley's football to go?
“Attractive football. With more ball possession than we are used to here. (grins) Vincent stands for high-intensity football with a certain youthfulness, so dare to take risks. And on the other hand, he focuses on player development. I was very impressed with how he prepares every game. He devised a completely different strategy for each match and prepared a team. I think it's unique that he is able to think like that."

The football that Kompany wanted to bring to Anderlecht is based on that of Manchester City under Pep Guardiola. Is that even possible at a club like Burnley?
"You're not going to hear me say that we can ever go after City. We just don't have the players for that. In terms of style it seems possible to me, but then it will be a 'Kompany version' rather than a copy of Guardiola. I think you have to start from the players out there and work out a system with that. Starting from a line-up and looking for the best players for that, that's not the healthy approach in my opinion."

At Anderlecht he got a lot of say in different areas, does he get the same freedom here?
"Yes. In every aspect. We asked him to help our club. If anyone can convey to the squad what it means to play for such a club, it's him. That goes further than just what happens on the pitch, so it makes sense that he has his say in that too.”

There is a lot of work to be done in the coming weeks, with all those leaving...

"Correct. There's a lot going on. We had the oldest average age in the Premier League last year, over 30 years on average. Vincent had one of the youngest teams with Anderlecht, which I think is a very interesting amalgamation. But it is true that there is a lot of work, only 11 players remain. That leaves a lot of space and opportunities for the coach. We gave him a budget, and he started working on it.”

What is the ambition next season?
“We would like to return to the Premier League, preferably next year. Basically we have a pretty good chance, given the player material and the experience most have in the Premier League. But if that takes a year longer, that's not the end of the world. It's not easy, isn't it."

Is the bar higher for Kompany than for other young coaches because he is Kompany?
“I think so, but I hope that does not mean that it is accompanied by unrealistic expectations. It's not entirely "his" team. He does not have an unlimited budget. He doesn't get everything he dreams of. It's normal for expectations to be high, but I hope people give him time. Let's wait and see how he develops as a coach."

At Anderlecht he may not have achieved the results he had hoped for on his return. Do you know the saying 'Trust the process'?
“What he has achieved in those two years as T1 at Anderlecht, I find quite impressive. He deserves more credit for that. I do believe in that 'Trust the process'. I think our process will take even longer. Our goal is European football, but that may not take two, but four or five years. Maybe even longer. As long as Vincent wants to be here, we will work on it together.”

Has a long-term plan been drawn up with Vincent Kompany as coach?
(With a proud smile) "Yeah, sure."

What direction is that going in, if I may be so curious?
“When we meet again in the future, I'll be happy to tell you more about it, but that's not the case yet. He will be under a microscope, because he could have chosen a bigger club in France, Germany or even England. Then why Burnley? He was not going to find our process anywhere else, and the way in which he can have an influence there.”

It does mean that the eyes of Europe are now suddenly on Burnley.
“We have to move with the times, that's normal. Last year we brought in Maxwel Cornet, but nobody in the whole club spoke French. ( laughs) That's absurd! Luckily we had a player in our U23 who spoke French and helped with the translations.”

Another thing Kompany can come in handy with...
(laughs) “It opens up a whole new world. Vince speaks four languages, he brings with him coaches who also speak other languages... We've made the switch from 'what is expected of Burnley' to 'what is possible at Burnley'. He is the first non-British coach in Burnley history. Hopefully this will be a new beginning, the change that was needed here.”

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:33 am

Really interesting interview.

- Pace obviously would like promotion this season but doesn’t view it as essential, so it seems like VK would be given another season (unless results are terrible obviously)

- they chose VK over a more proven Championship manager who might have more to give first season to promotion, as they see VK as a better fit for their long term vision

- VK will be allowed decent scope to build his own team, which is what he liked about our process over some of the other offers he had overseas

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:36 am

Kompany has certainly got a hell of a lot to achieve haha.

European football the target?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:37 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:36 am
Kompany has certainly got a hell of a lot to achieve haha.

European football the target?

Isn’t it refreshing to hear owners with ambition?

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:40 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:37 am
Isn’t it refreshing to hear owners with ambition?

Correct and if we went up and finished 8th he can still gloat how we failed due to not getting in Europe

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:41 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:37 am
Isn’t it refreshing to hear owners with ambition?

Yep certainly is.

How weird is it that the only interview from pace following relegation is with the Belgian press.

Wonder if there’s been a fall out with the British press.

Top Claret · Post by **Top Claret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:46 am

Pace went on to mention change with Kompany being the 1st foreign coach in Burnley history.

Now change is difficult for a lot of Burnley fans to come to terms with especially some of the older end on this football forum.
I welcome the different outlook of nurturing young talent it's the only way forward for a club the size of Burnley with what appears to have limited financial resources

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:49 am

Top Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:46 am
Pace went on to mention change with Kompany being the 1st foreign coach in Burnley history.

Now change is difficult for a lot of Burnley fans to come to terms with especially some of the older end on this football forum.
I welcome the different outlook of nurturing young talent it's the only way forward for a club the size of Burnley with what appears to have limited financial resources

Agree - really liked the quote

‘We went from what’s expected from Burnley to what’s possible at Burnley’

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:59 am

Cracking interview, he says all the right things, but I suppose it's a case of now go and show us, actions speak louder than words.

I did find the following interesting ...

There is a lot of work to be done in the coming weeks, with all those leaving...

"Correct. There's a lot going on. We had the oldest average age in the Premier League last year, over 30 years on average. Vincent had one of the youngest teams with Anderlecht, which I think is a very interesting amalgamation. But it is true that there is a lot of work, only 11 players remain. That leaves a lot of space and opportunities for the coach. We gave him a budget, and he started working on it.”

Now I make it

Pope
Hennessy
BPF

Lowton
Roberts
Collins
Long
Taylor

Cornet
McNeil
JBG
Brownhill
Westwood

Barnes
Jay
Wout

16 there, so looks like he's certain of losing 5.
Maybe already has offersfor some, msybe Vincent says he's happy to sell a certain few, or the players have had the assurance they can leave to further their careers if/when the money and time is right.

Either way, its certainly exciting times

Nori1958 · Post by **Nori1958** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:07 am

Top Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:46 am
Pace went on to mention change with Kompany being the 1st foreign coach in Burnley history.

Now change is difficult for a lot of Burnley fans to come to terms with especially some of the older end on this football forum.
I welcome the different outlook of nurturing young talent it's the only way forward for a club the size of Burnley with what appears to have limited financial resources

I find that a strange comment about the older fans.... Iam well into my 60s, as are most of my burnley supporting mates... None of us, not one, have a problem with change... And are looking forward to a new era

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:07 am

A really good interview with more insight than we’ve had from him on our shores in months. As said above, it does make you wonder if he’s avoiding the British press as they will ask him the difficult questions that this Belgian outlet has not done (I.e, finances).

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:10 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:16 am
Was hoping Belgianclaret might haha

RV Claret beat me to it...and did a good job

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:11 am

MACCA wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:59 am
Cracking interview, he says all the right things, but I suppose it's a case of now go and show us, actions speak louder than words.

I did find the following interesting ...

There is a lot of work to be done in the coming weeks, with all those leaving...

"Correct. There's a lot going on. We had the oldest average age in the Premier League last year, over 30 years on average. Vincent had one of the youngest teams with Anderlecht, which I think is a very interesting amalgamation. But it is true that there is a lot of work, only 11 players remain. That leaves a lot of space and opportunities for the coach. We gave him a budget, and he started working on it.”

Now I make it

Pope
Hennessy
BPF

Lowton
Roberts
Collins
Long
Taylor

Cornet
McNeil
JBG
Brownhill
Westwood

Barnes
Jay
Wout

16 there, so looks like he's certain of losing 5.
Maybe already has offersfor some, msybe Vincent says he's happy to sell a certain few, or the players have had the assurance they can leave to further their careers if/when the money and time is right.

Either way, its certainly exciting times

Of your 16, 3 are keepers and Westwood is out for the next few months at least, plus as you say some may still leave, so we will need to recruit a fair number to bolster the squad, of course what we don't know is how many of the youngsters might force their way into contention under Kompany, he's clearly not afraid to blood youth, which after years of relying on experience is refreshing to see.

Burnley Ace · Post by **Burnley Ace** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:12 am

Does make you wonder why he gave Dyche a long contract? If we don’t get promoted next season it will be harder the year after.

MACCA · Post by **MACCA** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:14 am

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:11 am
Of your 16, 3 are keepers and Westwood is out for the next few months at least, plus as you say some may still leave, so we will need to recruit a fair number to bolster the squad, of course what we don't know is how many of the youngsters might force their way into contention under Kompany, he's clearly not afraid to blood youth, which after years of relying on experience is refreshing to see.

I'm thinking more along the lines of

Pope - gone
Cornet - most certainly will
Wout - deffo will
McNeil- likely to cash in

Hopefully the other isn't Collins, and maybe he means Westwood is the 5th player due to the long term lay off

He's got 11 players in his head subconsciously for a reason, suppose in the next few weeks the picture will become clearer.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:16 am

Talking about European football as the aim when we are going to spend next year in the championship?

Yeah, I mean, thats a huge dead cat that is being dangled in front of us

Jesus

Rest of it is fine like, but I'm awaiting to see what we do in the transfer market before I start getting carried away

Ambition is fine everyone, but it has to be backed up by the means to actually achieve that ambition, or its all just hot air

Belgianclaret · Post by **Belgianclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:21 am

Just to add: I think the interview came after a Belgian reporter was shown around Turf Moor & Barnfield and coincidentally bumped into Alan Pace, who was kind enough to speak to him.
Certainly gives a positive insight to the possibilities and appeal the Burnley brand can have internationally, moving away from the little own Burnley image.
If we could have tapped into that thinking a few years ago after qualifying for Europe, attracting more continental players to improve the quality, we would not have been in this position today. Unfortunately, the board opted for more of the same as a result of which too much was expected from a squad which had already overachieved for many years, got older and was not adequately refreshed.
Anyway, the past is what it is, the future starts now

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:23 am

MACCA wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:14 am
I'm thinking more along the lines of

Pope - gone
Cornet - most certainly will
Wout - deffo will
McNeil- likely to cash in

Hopefully the other isn't Collins, and maybe he means Westwood is the 5th player due to the long term lay off

He's got 11 players in his head subconsciously for a reason, suppose in the next few weeks the picture will become clearer.

Pope- seems likely to join Newcastle.
Cornet- I expect to go given his release clause.
Wout- can't see how this lad has a future at Burnley after his public comments, and TBH I'm not bothered if he goes.

We might get offers for Collins and McNeil, but I'd hope we may be able to hold onto both, depends how much we need to raise to cover running costs as well as giving VK a decent budget for signings.

But either way our squad will look drastically different to the one which started last season, and it should comprise a more youthful element not before time in my view.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:24 am

jedi_master wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:07 am
A really good interview with more insight than we’ve had from him on our shores in months. As said above, it does make you wonder if he’s avoiding the British press as they will ask him the difficult questions that this Belgian outlet has not done (I.e, finances).

Considering the snide comments journalists like Tariq Panja have been coming out with, I can’t really blame him.

bfcjg · Post by **bfcjg** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:27 am

At the end of the day our Burnley supporting directors put the club up for sale, no Burnley supporters had the money or inclination to buy the club therefore we have to hope that ALK are the best option, reading the interview I am more reassured that they want to grow the club , I do like the phrase about us when AP states moving Burnley away from what is expected to what is possible.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:29 am

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:24 am
Considering the snide comments journalists like Tariq Panja have been coming out with, I can’t really blame him.

All he (and others) are doing is reminding everyone what he did to buy the club

There is a big debt there that wasn't there before

If Pace can run us, challenge for promotion and not get totally up us s**t creek financially because of that debt then that is fine, but no one knows if he can, and that is the problem

I'm more than willing to give it a chance btw, but I know enough about financial stuff and relegated ex-premier league clubs struggling to be concerned that he might be better at talking about running a football club than actually running it

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:31 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:29 am
All he (and others) are doing is reminding everyone what he did to buy the club

There is a big debt there that wasn't there before

If Pace can run us, challenge for promotion and not get totally up us s**t creek financially because of that debt then that is fine, but no one knows if he can, and that is the problem

Tariq has done more that just ‘remind everyone’ he’s been quite snide about it since day 1, I think because Pace refused an interview with him.

Anyway, let’s not let this thread end up in another debate about the finances, eh?

What did you make of the interview?

clarethomer · Post by **clarethomer** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:35 am

Good interview. Thanks for finding and sharing

Guller Bull · Post by **Guller Bull** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:42 am

My take on it is that AP is a do'er not a talker.

His interviews are always positive but there haven't been that many of them. More in the early days obviously.
The whole Dyche /Relegation thing happened and whilst it was not ideal it did give that point of readiness for change and he has grabbed it.

I personally feel he has a plan(s) but would rather deliver it than chat about it. You will get the odd interview here and there but my gut feeling is that wants to let his decisions do the talking.

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:48 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:29 am
All he (and others) are doing is reminding everyone what he did to buy the club

There is a big debt there that wasn't there before

If Pace can run us, challenge for promotion and not get totally up us s**t creek financially because of that debt then that is fine, but no one knows if he can, and that is the problem

I'm more than willing to give it a chance btw, but I know enough about financial stuff and relegated ex-premier league clubs struggling to be concerned that he might be better at talking about running a football club than actually running it

He described the Sean Dyche decision as the start of a ‘death spiral’ for the club and completely sensationalised our relegation (‘even a fire sale can’t save them now’). He’s also repeatedly insinuated Pace is a spiv and a charlatan. I’m not saying I’m all for the deal that saw ALK take control of the club but why on earth should he give time to people like that?

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:49 am

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:27 am
At the end of the day our Burnley supporting directors put the club up for sale,

They didn't, in all practicality, put the club up for sale. They went for the leveraged buy out as the only means of ensuring that the funds in the clubs bank account ended up in MGs bank account.

A conventional sale to a credible buyer could have been in the interest of the club, and MG himself had he not been determined to sell in mid covid.

Garlick prioritised getting his cash speedily well above the wellbeing of the club.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:01 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:31 am
Tariq has done more that just ‘remind everyone’ he’s been quite snide about it since day 1, I think because Pace refused an interview with him.

Anyway, let’s not let this thread end up in another debate about the finances, eh?

What did you make of the interview?

Fine

But its just what we want to hear, and that is both good and a problem

I want him to be honest about the financial situation and what his plans are, and if his only plan is to get back into the premier league before it all falls apart, then at least I'll know*

*I think everybody knows that is the reality btw

Loyal Supporter · Post by **Loyal Supporter** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:01 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:37 am
Isn’t it refreshing to hear owners with ambition?

I wonder if you could tell us which football club owner isnt ambitious?

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:03 am

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:48 am
He described the Sean Dyche decision as the start of a ‘death spiral’ for the club and completely sensationalised our relegation (‘even a fire sale can’t save them now’). He’s also repeatedly insinuated Pace is a spiv and a charlatan. I’m not saying I’m all for the deal that saw ALK take control of the club but why on earth should he give time to people like that?

Time will tell if he's right though

I hope he isn't, but I fear he is

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:08 am

Loyal Supporter wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:01 am
I wonder if you could tell us which football club owner isnt ambitious?

Our previous ones for a start.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:08 am

Guller Bull wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:42 am
My take on it is that AP is a do'er not a talker.

His interviews are always positive but there haven't been that many of them. More in the early days obviously.
The whole Dyche /Relegation thing happened and whilst it was not ideal it did give that point of readiness for change and he has grabbed it.

I personally feel he has a plan(s) but would rather deliver it than chat about it. You will get the odd interview here and there but my gut feeling is that wants to let his decisions do the talking.

I would say that right now he is a talker.

You have to actually do things to be a doer.

He’s saying all the right stuff, time will tell if any of it is accurate.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:09 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:08 am
Our previous ones for a start.

See I thought the previous owners were ambitious. They completely turned the club around (much thanks to Dyches success).

Look at the training ground, academy and ground as a result of there investment.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:16 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:09 am
See I thought the previous owners were ambitious. They completely turned the club around (much thanks to Dyches success).

Look at the training ground, academy and ground as a result of there investment.

That’s a result of Dyche’s success.

Noises I heard from the boardroom were the exact opposite of ambitious.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:17 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:08 am
Our previous ones for a start.

Really? They transformed the club

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:20 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:16 am
That’s a result of Dyche’s success.

Noises I heard from the boardroom were the exact opposite of ambitious.

Dyche wouldn’t have been successful without the backing of the board.

For any team to be successful everyone needs to be pushing the same direction.

Whatever people think of Garlick and Co, they over saw a very successful time that developed the club the most in my lifetime

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:21 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:01 am
Fine

But its just what we want to hear, and that is both good and a problem

I want him to be honest about the financial situation and what his plans are, and if his only plan is to get back into the premier league before it all falls apart, then at least I'll know*

*I think everybody knows that is the reality btw

Have you considered that, in saying he’s not concerned about the finances he might be telling the truth? He knows what the plan is after all.

He seems to let actions speak louder than words to me so let him get on with it.

arise_sir_charge · Post by **arise_sir_charge** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:25 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:08 am
I would say that right now he is a talker.

You have to actually do things to be a doer.

He’s saying all the right stuff, time will tell if any of it is accurate.

He’s most certainly a doer, he did what nobody expected and sacked Dyche to try and keep us up, that was a huge call.

He’s gone out and got arguably the most exciting appointment available to us right now.

These things may or may not work out but to suggest he is a talker and not a doer is nonsense when you look at the biggest calls he’s had to make.

eastcoastclaret · Post by **eastcoastclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:25 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:08 am
I would say that right now he is a talker.

You have to actually do things to be a doer.

He’s saying all the right stuff, time will tell if any of it is accurate.

I think that's a little harsh.

Pace has signed Collins, Roberts and Cornet. He took the difficult decision to sack Dyche. He's talked about how important the youth setup is at the club, and has brought in a new manager who is known for developing and playing young players. He talked about us being more popular, changing the playing style will help with that. He tried to improve the image, smartened up the ground etc.

Ok we got relegated on the last day, but he has done a lot of positive things in 18 months.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:25 am

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:20 am
Dyche wouldn’t have been successful without the backing of the board.

For any team to be successful everyone needs to be pushing the same direction.

Whatever people think of Garlick and Co, they over saw a very successful time that developed the club the most in my lifetime

In the first promotion season we spent less than 1m and that was in jan with the signing of Barnes. The finances are down to Dyche.

gandhisflipflop · Post by **gandhisflipflop** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:27 am

The only thing I will credit the previous regime for is sticking with Dyche following relegation last time around, and the implementation of the training ground. The success though and the finances that came with it is down to SD.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:28 am

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:17 am
Really? They transformed the club

Sean Dyche transformed the club. They deserve credit for hiring him. But also, in my eyes, lacked the ambition to take the club to a new level and capitalise on Dyche’s success (getting into Europe the main standout). Instead, years later they left us having somehow gone significantly backwards from that outstanding achievement and still with the ‘Brexit Burnley’ tag.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:28 am

arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:21 am
Have you considered that, in saying he’s not concerned about the finances he might be telling the truth? He knows what the plan is after all.

He seems to let actions speak louder than words to me so let him get on with it.

We haven't got a lot of choice have we?

I just wish I could see us three years down the line in the championship so I'd know for sure whether he's full of s**t or not

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:28 am

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:28 am
We haven't got a lot of choice have we?

I just wish I could see us three years down the line in the championship so I'd know for sure whether he's full of s**t or not

Bizarre way to view things.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:29 am

eastcoastclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:25 am
I think that's a little harsh.

Pace has signed Collins, Roberts and Cornet. He took the difficult decision to sack Dyche. He's talked about how important the youth setup is at the club, and has brought in a new manager who is known for developing and playing young players. He talked about us being more popular, changing the playing style will help with that. He tried to improve the image, smartened up the ground etc.

Ok we got relegated on the last day, but he has done a lot of positive things in 18 months.

Debatable. His current legacy is getting the club relegated and piling mountains of debt on the club.

He’s got a hell of a lot to do. To be classed as a doer.

taio · Post by **taio** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:32 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:28 am
Sean Dyche transformed the club. They deserve credit for hiring him. But also, in my eyes, lacked the ambition to take the club to a new level and capitalise on Dyche’s success (getting into Europe the main standout). Instead, years later they left us having somehow gone significantly backwards from that outstanding achievement and still with the ‘Brexit Burnley’ tag.

Dyche of course played a major part. But the previous Board appointed him. And they oversaw our biggest successes for decades and invested heavily in the club's infrastructure based on that collective success. It's revealing you don't think the previous owners showed any ambition yet you think the opposite in relation to Pace who has yet to deliver anything.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:39 am

taio wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:32 am
Dyche of course played a major part. But the previous Board appointed him. And they oversaw our biggest successes for decades and invested heavily in the club's infrastructure based on that collective success. It's revealing you don't think the previous owners showed any ambition yet you think the opposite in relation to Pace who has yet to deliver anything.

Wasn't the training ground around 10m? I mean, yeah, great that they did that but it was pretty much a no brainer with the cash we had from the PL [thanks to Dyche].

They clearly didn't not show 'any ambition' but also could have been a lot more ambitious for the reasons I listed. That's before we get into the large cash balance sat there for takeover purposes, which we won't go back into.

I was initially responding to a comment from someone who made it out that Pace talking about Europe was daft/unrealistic - I can't recall every hearing comments from Garlick and co of the like. In fact, I'd heard comments that they were more than happy just being a top 30 club in the country.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:47 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jun 18, 2022 9:39 am
Wasn't the training ground around 10m? I mean, yeah, great that they did that but it was pretty much a no brainer with the cash we had from the PL [thanks to Dyche].

They clearly didn't not show 'any ambition' but also could have been a lot more ambitious for the reasons I listed. That's before we get into the large cash balance sat there for takeover purposes, which we won't go back into.

I was initially responding to a comment from someone who made it out that Pace talking about Europe was daft/unrealistic - I can't recall every hearing comments from Garlick and co of the like. In fact, I'd heard comments that they were more than happy just being a top 30 club in the country.

A bit of context though RV. Look at where the club was when them comments were made.

We effectively didn’t have an academy, we our training ground was not fit for the championship let alone the premier league. The ground was old and outdated (still is to some extent but it’s considerably better now).

They were ambitious taking the club from where it was to where they sold it.

Just because they didn’t announce some fantasy stuff about being a European team doesn’t mean they were not ambitious.