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Looks to be a video of him playing. If he is fit, would you start him Against Luton?

imagine if we kept him, it's the hope that kills you

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:19 pm

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Looks to be a video of him playing. If he is fit, would you start him Against Luton?

Just imagine him playing off the shoulder like that, with Cullen threading the ball through to him

claretandy wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:26 pm

Just imagine him playing off the shoulder like that, with Cullen threading the ball through to him

We’d go invincible if he’s at his best! Imagine if he played like he did against Rochdale and Southampton last year every week. We’d win the league by Easter!

Imagine Cornet with actual through balls, on the floor, for him to run onto, in the Championship. I mean, he scored 1 goal in every 2 (going off minutes per goal) in a system where he was feeding off scraps, in the Prem. I just want him gone so I can stop even thinking about it.

Please, stop, I can only get so hard!

We're playing this season on easy mode if no one comes in for him.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:31 pm

Please, stop, I can only get so hard!

We're playing this season on easy mode if no one comes in for him.

Definitely several teams in for him, think it’s now about them giving us what we want, which is either the release clause upfront or a larger amount in instalments. Can’t see us accepting a loan that’s been mentioned of interest to some clubs.

I can’t imagine he’ll stay and I don’t see how he fits into a Kompany team at all. He doesn’t work hard enough. Far too many games last season when he offered precious little.

Although completely different Kompany's way of playing looks just as intense and disciplined as what was expected under Dyche. Whilst ability wise Cornet would p*ss the Championship I wouldn't be surprised if Kompany had some doubts about whether he had discipline to be part of a high pressing team that really needs to be in sync and on it all the time.

For that reason I think Kompany would probably prefer the £17m to increase the funds he has available to fill the last couple of missing pieces and add some extra bodies.

If Cornet does end up here after the window shuts then I hope Kompany can get him bought in and switched on to his way of playing as if Cornet had the work rate and team ethic as someone like Barnes then he would be some player at this level

In the meantime until his future is settled Id leave him out of the matches and let Kompany focus on moulding and coaching the players he knows are there for the season

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:36 pm

I can’t imagine he’ll stay and I don’t see how he fits into a Kompany team at all. He doesn’t work hard enough. Far too many games last season when he offered precious little.

Couldn’t agree more. I think we benefit from the money and 2 or 3 different players

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:33 pm

Definitely several teams in for him, think it’s now about them giving us what we want, which is either the release clause upfront or a larger amount in instalments. Can’t see us accepting a loan that’s been mentioned of interest to some clubs.

It's a tricky one because I can totally see the logic in stockpiling appreciable assets from a business point of view, and selling Cornet, where — football considerations aside, and all the risks that come with that (injuries mainly) — his value will probably plateau at best, and selling him now would allow us to bring in two of three players who over the course of four or five years could yield us significantly higher profit combined than we'll be getting for Cornet now. In all honestly you can get promoted with far lesser players than him, I mean he's legitimately capable of playing at least as a squad player in the Champions League. So I can see from a strategic point of view why he's being kept safe for the sale, even if it is a bit annoying from a sporting perspective.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:36 pm

I can’t imagine he’ll stay and I don’t see how he fits into a Kompany team at all. He doesn’t work hard enough. Far too many games last season when he offered precious little.

probably because he was depressed at chasing aimless balls

Got to agree with CT & DA, has far more ability than most in our squad but his work rate and discipline probably lets him down.

I’d love him to stay but I’d sell him if it brings us two or three decent players in

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:36 pm

Far too many games last season when he offered precious little.

What's even less than precious little, because that's what just about the rest of them offered?

He offered more than Dwight McNeil and nobody wanted him to leave.

Probably up there with the best player we signed under Dyche, but because he didn’t pass the ball backwards, he’s offered “precious little”

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:43 pm

probably because he was depressed at chasing aimless balls

He didn’t chase anything. Doesn’t work hard enough, too many poor games.

He scored some stunning goals but once they’d dried up his contribution was minimal.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:36 pm

I can’t imagine he’ll stay and I don’t see how he fits into a Kompany team at all. He doesn’t work hard enough. Far too many games last season when he offered precious little.

A little harsh, bearing in mind he was played out of position in some games, in a system not suited to him, but still ended up top scorer

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:36 pm

I can’t imagine he’ll stay and I don’t see how he fits into a Kompany team at all. He doesn’t work hard enough. Far too many games last season when he offered precious little.

I couldn’t care if he sat on his ass in the centre circle waiting for the ball to come up to him if he hits 1 in 2 in the premier league! The guy can do something the rest of them can’t.Neil warnock said about Taarabt that he wound him up big time he couldn’t be bothered training etc,but he had to play him because he knew he we get them promoted.aside from that I don’t think cornets attitude stinks either.He goes missing quite often but I will take that for all the goals he will score.

If he goes to West Ham he'll be playing in a team which demands of its players a similar intensity expected of Kompany's side. I find it ridiculous to suggest he can't perform in the Championship. There's a difference between the kind of intelligently timed and choreographed channel runs Maatsen and Costelloe were making against Huddersfield, and the kind of aimless pump-and-run shite we played last season. If you can't find a place for Cornet in a Championship side you shouldn't be managing football teams.

I’m not sure any of us are qualified to say whether cornet fits into VKs system or not given we have only seen it for 90 mins.

Using last year also isn’t a good comparison for insight either imo.

Regardless, there seems to be little to show that says VK wants him to stay given he understands that the financial reality and he has plans for that money.

Personally I would like him to stay but I’m sure if Friday is anything to go by, I will soon get over it as the team to start to deliver some excitement.

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:19 pm

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Looks to be a video of him playing. If he is fit, would you start him Against Luton?

What instead of Barnes-an absolute no brainer

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:49 pm

He didn’t chase anything. Doesn’t work hard enough, too many poor games.

He scored some stunning goals but once they’d dried up his contribution was minimal.

He scored in the last game of the season so you can't say they dried up.
He was hit and miss, no doubt, but the only player in the team who could shoot. We might have rectified that but we need double the goals we got last season so it would be logical to retain are best shooter.

I can understand him moving back up but let's be honest Pace has brought enough money in to finance any player we want to bring in. He shouldn't need to be sold.

Needs resolving one way or the other.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:49 pm

He didn’t chase anything. Doesn’t work hard enough, too many poor games.

He scored some stunning goals but once they’d dried up his contribution was minimal.

He appears quite fragile too.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:49 pm

He didn’t chase anything. Doesn’t work hard enough, too many poor games.

He scored some stunning goals but once they’d dried up his contribution was minimal.

I won't disagree, but IF he stayed and IF Kompany gets him playing then he would be outstanding in the league. I doubt he will stay though

Any Championship side with Cornet in it is better than without, and that includes ours

I’ve been saying for a while the sooner he goes the better. Love the guy and he gave us some great memories with his goals last season. However, if we can’t move him on that will hinder us.

I can’t see he would offer enough and he is not a good fit for this league at all. If we can get a buyer (we seem to be struggling), Kompany will hopefully have more freedom to continue building the squad he wants.

He's no Jeff Hendrick

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:03 pm

Needs resolving one way or the other.

This.
Dragging on a bit now.

But if he's drawing a wage, he should be available.

Cornet is a very good attacking player, who can score goals. All this about he won't fit into a Kompany is simply a load of old bullocks. Do I think he will stay?....I doubt it.

There were a lot of negatives to Cornet’s game but to be fair to him, he was adapting to a new league, came in mid season and into a relegation battle.

If he’s to be a success in this country, with us or elsewhere, he does need to adapt.

Worldies are all well and good but there definitely needs to be more to his game.

Saying all of that - I’d love him to stay to see how he develops.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:15 pm

There were a lot of negatives to Cornet’s game but to be fair to him, he was adapting to a new league, came in mid season and into a relegation battle.

If he’s to be a success in this country, with us or elsewhere, he does need to adapt.

Worldies are all well and good but there definitely needs to be more to his game.

Saying all of that - I’d love him to stay to see how he develops.

Mid season?

It's amazing anyone is even putting an offer in to him if he's as bad as some of you seem to think. If you're right we will certainly be stuck with him for the length of his contract.

Edit: To be clear I don't agree with that thought and hope he somehow stays

If we are selling him he should be training with the kids, if not, he should be playing.

ElectroClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:09 pm

This.
Dragging on a bit now.

But if he's drawing a wage, he should be available.

Let's be clear. It's the club preventing him playing, he's not on strike drawing a wage.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:33 pm

Definitely several teams in for him, think it’s now about them giving us what we want, which is either the release clause upfront or a larger amount in instalments. Can’t see us accepting a loan that’s been mentioned of interest to some clubs.

I thought the "loan with option to buy" deal that had been touted (in relation to Fulham interest I think) had been put together by one of our directors?

claretandy wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:20 pm

If we are selling him he should be training with the kids, if not, he should be playing.

Pointlessly punitive. Not a single thing to gain from doing that, and everything to lose. The lad has done literally nothing wrong.

Nori1958 wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:18 pm

Mid season?

Sorry - not mid season!!

Spiral wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:24 pm

Pointlessly punitive. Not a single thing to gain from doing that, and everything to lose. The lad has done literally nothing wrong.

Not as a punishment to him, to protect him.

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:07 pm

He appears quite fragile too.

Too many 2 game weeks. If he stays I’d wager he doesn’t ever start 2 games in the same week.

claretandy wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 7:26 pm

Not as a punishment to him, to protect him.

Oh, right. Not sure that keeps him safer, to be honest. I think senior players have more control over their motion than inexperienced academy graduates.

Sooner him scoring one in two then putting a shift in sorts like Barnes who just shoved and collided. Barnesbunder Kompany was a revelation at Huddersfield just think what someone with Cornet's skill would do.
As for fragile perhaps he was trained for stamina and not flexibility or whatever the technical phrase is.

If we’re using last season’s contribution and effort as a marker to determine if you’re suitable for Kompany’s Burnley team, we’d have been starting with an entirely new team from top to bottom.

Cornet is easily good enough for this team. He offered more than Rodriguez for starters.

If he stays that’s great for me.
Even he’s playing every other game and on the bench as an option to come on he is quality.
He was our leading goal scorer last year and scored some great goals.
A bit like Defour the only reason we picked up a player with his pedigree for a relatively low fee was because of his injury record and it did turn out he was fragile.
But he would not have the World Cup to play and we saw him take a dip after the African Nations Cup.

Still think there is little chance of him staying beyond end of deadline

I think he’s been the absolute definition of professional. Unlike others I won’t mention.

I think he is a fantastic player with huge natural ability that suffered under Dyche’s system but may flourish under Kompany.

I would not begrudge him a move, nor would I think it a bad outcome if some of the funds were available for VK to bring in the players he wanted, but I also think he’d tear up this league with finishing like that on display today, and most likely take us up.

I'm not sure why anyone wouldn't want a player who will comfortably score 20 in the Championship.

But it's OK, we'll rely on Barnes for the 3rd season too long.

And I'm not having a go at Ash.

Its not a choice between Barnes and Cornet or between Jay and Cornet. Its a choice between Cornet and around £17m to fund a replacement striker and winger and I reckon given the choice Kompany would rather have the £17m

Id love if we could keep Cornet and spend £10+ million on a striker and/or winger but I dont think thats an option unfortunately. Therefore providing Kompany was given most of the money to fund additional players Id back Kompany to get more out of £12-£15m than we'd get out of Cornet this season

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 6:36 pm

I can’t imagine he’ll stay and I don’t see how he fits into a Kompany team at all. He doesn’t work hard enough. Far too many games last season when he offered precious little.

I think it’s completely irrelevant if he did fit into any sort of a system the price tag will override everything & seemingly the urgency to get shut the hold up I suspect is trying to get the maximum & reluctance with the 17.5 he’d be long gone if that figure represented value to the interested clubs broken down into staggered payments it’s not a massive figure to raise alarm bells with FFP.

I like watching technically gifted players and he’s one.

He would be a massive boost to the squad if we kept him.

We had no idea where to play him last season. He was our top scorer and got in positions to score even more. He was in a very poor set up last season.

I’d like him to stay.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 02, 2022 8:29 pm

Its not a choice between Barnes and Cornet or between Jay and Cornet. Its a choice between Cornet and around £17m to fund a replacement striker and winger and I reckon given the choice Kompany would rather have the £17m

Id love if we could keep Cornet and spend £10+ million on a striker and/or winger but I dont think thats an option unfortunately. Therefore providing Kompany was given most of the money to fund additional players Id back Kompany to get more out of £12-£15m than we'd get out of Cornet this season

Blimey...I agree with Devil's Advocate !!

Can’t believe he gets criticised for offering little bar goals last season. He always worked hard and always offered just about our biggest threat with his movement and touches of class. The problem was the Sean dyche set up had completely dried up and we were not creating anything for a player like maxwel.
I used to defend Wood on here during SD era who would get plenty of abuse for offering little bar goals. Now it’s the posters that cream at the thought of 3 in 20 Chris Wood who criticise 9 in 26 Max.