• Maatsen

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:15 pm**

What was that reaction all about?

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:16 pm**

he was running for his bus and the lad tripping him up made him miss it

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:17 pm**

Reaction of a 20 year old I’m afraid. Shame as he’d had another decent game.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:17 pm**

How long will he be out for that?

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:17 pm**

The Blackpool player tried to break his leg
Allowing the number of fouls from Blackpool to go largely unpunished allowed the refs control to totally vanish.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:17 pm**

Nasty, cynical foul but the reaction was ridiculous. The amount of time he had to pick himself up and run at him was plenty for him to realise he shouldn't be doing it.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:18 pm**

Being taken out like that I can’t entirely blame him for that reaction, but it was stupid and if it was 11 v 10 we might have got that deciding goal

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:18 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:17 pm
How long will he be out for that?

Three games I think.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:18 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:17 pm
How long will he be out for that?

3 games but one of them is Shrewsbury

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:20 pm**

The most worrying part of the game for me is the reaction. We haven’t seen that sort of thing from a Burnley player in the last decade. He’s a loan player but if we are using more loan players they need to buy into the club ethos. This is something that VC needs to sort quickly. Also, it is possible that we may have won the game with eleven men so it’s a needless and naive sending off which also impacts future games.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:20 pm**

Got was brought down by an extremely poor, reckless challenge, but he's needs to learn to calm down and let the referee do his job. He was very silly and it's going to cost us.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:21 pm**

Footballers really are thick.

Their player was being sent off anyway, and although I can't say with any certainty we'd have scored 11 v 10, we'd have stood a darn sight better chance with the extra man.

On the plus side, Taylor will presumably shift over to LB now that Maatsen is suspended for three games. This, in turn, will give either Egan Riley or McNally a chance.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:22 pm**

Charlie Taylor will probably have to play left back now with McNally or even Long coming in. And thank goodness for that because he's no centre back. Maatsen. Lad got absolutely clattered. Pity about his reaction.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:22 pm**

The foul was obviously a straight red. But I'm not convinced it would have been given without the reaction of Maatsen

Big loss for us tho

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:23 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:18 pm
3 games but one of them is Shrewsbury

Heard a few people after the game saying it could be more for violent conduct?

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:23 pm**

He's young and lost his head.

He obviously thought the Blackpool lad was trying to leave one on and hurt him, and just lost it. No excuse for that sort of a reaction though, and he will now miss 3 games.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:24 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:23 pm
Heard a few people after the game saying it could be more for violent conduct?

Why would it be?

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:24 pm**

Should know to roll around in pretend pain for 5 mins and get the guy sent off.
Instead, was stupid and naive. With him on the field and a man up we could have won it.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:27 pm**

fidelcastro wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:24 pm
Why would it be?

No idea that’s why I’m asking

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:28 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:27 pm
No idea that’s why I’m asking

Three games is the standard punishment for violent conduct, so why would it be more?

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:29 pm**

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:22 pm
The foul was obviously a straight red. But I'm not convinced it would have been given without the reaction of Maatsen

Big loss for us tho

I thought exactly the same.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:31 pm**

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:23 pm
Heard a few people after the game saying it could be more for violent conduct?

It’s 3 inc the cup game. So misses Millwall and Wigan. Wouldn’t have played in cup.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:32 pm**

The Blackpool player could have committed a professional foul but he kicked deliberately at his shins - straight red without question

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:33 pm**

It wasn't even violent conduct, he pushed him in the chest.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:34 pm**

claretandy wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:33 pm
It wasn't even violent conduct, he pushed him in the chest.

I did think this, I’ve seen yellows given for that before

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:35 pm**

claretandy wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:33 pm
It wasn't even violent conduct, he pushed him in the chest.

Exactly what Matic did to Barnes at Chelsea a few years ago.

Raising your hands is classed as violent conduct.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:37 pm**

claretandy wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:33 pm
It wasn't even violent conduct, he pushed him in the chest.

shows how people see/remember things - he pushes him in the back not the chest

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:39 pm**

Ridiculous response to a bad challenge. Never saw that happen under SD. Lad needs to have a serious chat with himself and VK needs to kick his ar*e.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:42 pm**

100% their player wouldn’t of got sent off if he didn’t react like that just a cynical foul stop the break

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:43 pm**

Violent conduct:

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

So did he touch his head or face??

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:44 pm**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:43 pm
Violent conduct:

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.

In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

So did he touch his head or face??

He ran 20 yards to bundle the lad over, anyone debating an appeal is deluded.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:46 pm**

To throw his black armband to the floor and leave it was completely disrespectful.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:50 pm**

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:46 pm
To throw his black armband to the floor and leave it was completely disrespectful.

I think he took the tape and strapping off his hands / wrists. Don't think he threw the black arm band did he?

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:51 pm**

It was his shin pads not armband ffs

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:52 pm**

Milltown1882 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:44 pm
He ran 20 yards to bundle the lad over, anyone debating an appeal is deluded.

Hadn’t watched it when asking that question but just found a clip.

20 yards. Do you always exaggerate length?!

In answer to my question, he pushed him in the back, not head or face, so on that basis it likely is worth an appeal based on the rules.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:53 pm**

claretandy wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:33 pm
It wasn't even violent conduct, he pushed him in the chest.

With a fast bowler's run up.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:53 pm**

Claret3495 wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:50 pm
I think he took the tape and strapping off his hands / wrists. Don't think he threw the black arm band did he?

The blue strapping came off first. Then the armband and something else that was black. The linesman who was walking back to his touchline asked Muric to move the items Maatsen had dropped. Muric picked up the item I could not identify and put it into his goal, but the armband and the strapping remained there.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:54 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:37 pm
shows how people see/remember things - he pushes him in the back not the chest

Either way he didn't touch his face/neck.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:55 pm**

It was one of his shin pads left on the ground.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:55 pm**

NewClaret wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:52 pm
Hadn’t watched it when asking that question but just found a clip.

20 yards. Do you always exaggerate length?!

In answer to my question, he pushed him in the back, not head or face, so on that basis it likely is worth an appeal based on the rules.

I don't think you've read the rules right. It says "in addition" before the head or face bit. He clearly used excessive force against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, so it's bang to rights a red card. It doesn't have to be the head or face.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:55 pm**

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:53 pm
The blue strapping came off first. Then the armband and something else that was black. The linesman who was walking back to his touchline asked Muric to move the items Maatsen had dropped. Muric picked up the item I could nor identify and put it into his goal, but the armband and the strapping remained there.

Yes I saw Muric move something off the pitch. Didn't see him remove the arm band, but if he did then that is poor

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:56 pm**

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:55 pm
It was one of his shin pads left on the ground.

He definitely pulled something down from his forearm area.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:01 pm**

Football is an emotional game. Think he was having a difficult second half. The defending for the second and third was not great. He then latched on to the ball and was determined to repair some of the damage his earlier poor positioning caused only to take a bad challenge. Understandable response. He'd properly lost it. The shove and then he was ready to go when the Blackpool lads went to surround him. He's very likable to watch and he is going to be a Premier League player; I think it will be a one off.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:08 pm**

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:22 pm
The foul was obviously a straight red. But I'm not convinced it would have been given without the reaction of Maatsen

Big loss for us tho

Having seen a replay, don’t think it was a red for the Blackpool player.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:09 pm**

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Aug 20, 2022 6:17 pm
The Blackpool player tried to break his leg
Allowing the number of fouls from Blackpool to go largely unpunished allowed the refs control to totally vanish.

Seeing a replay, don’t think he was trying to break his leg, nor was it a red.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:32 pm**

Might not be a bad thing him missing the next 3 games as it gives us a chance to sort ourselves out as he appears to be weak defensively

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:40 pm**

Red for them deserved.

Red for Maatsen was very poor retaliation, from the lad. This is Burnley!!!

As for the after Red reaction, in front of 20,000, a big club fine and possibly one from his fellows, too.

Not acceptable.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:41 pm**

It was a silly and obvious trip that I’d have said was a yellow sat in The Bob Lord. Maatsen was then an absolute prat and really don’t need to do what he did. I’m firmly of the opinion that the Blackpool player got sent off as a reaction to Maatsen having to go and the ref ‘managing the game.’

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:45 pm**

No excuses for either player. One swinging out wildly with the ball nowhere near. The other one retaliation with his arms raised. The game itself is in an unhealthy state and offering excuses for either player is just demeaning.

Posted: **Sat Aug 20, 2022 7:46 pm**

Young lad, reacted foolishly , but will learn and this might just force our hand in a real fro a centre half now

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