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Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:24 pm
by Vegas Claret
The Court of Arbitration has dismissed Cardiff City’s appeal and confirmed Emiliano Sala’s transfer was fully completed before his death. Nantes’ claim for first instalment of transfer fee of 6 million Euros upheld.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 3:46 pm
by claretonthecoast1882
Should hope so.
Right at the top of the list of scummy things clubs have tried on over the years.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:27 pm
by pompeyclaret
Why is it only the first installment? Are they due to pay the rest at some point, or is this a settlement that they have agreed to all things considered?
Certainly seems by Cardiff being told to pay costs that they haven't a leg to stand on and should pay up.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:27 pm
by Chester Perry
I was just looking for the original thread to put this on
Cardiff told to pay Nantes $6M for plane crash victim Sala
https://apnews.com/article/entertainmen ... 2ccafc5106
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:38 pm
by Milltown1882
Absolutely shameless that club.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 4:45 pm
by Hipper
Is this to do with insurance? If an expensive commodity is sent somewhere it usually gets insured.
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... hilit=sala
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 pm
by box_of_frogs
Oh dear.
How sad.
Never mind.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:50 pm
by ecc
Part of the CSA statement:
"The CAS proceedings only concern the first instalment of the transfer fee in the amount of 6m euro out of the total transfer fee of 17m euro.
"The other instalments were not due at the time of the procedure before the FIFA instances. The CAS Panel also confirmed that it was not for FIFA to entertain the claim of Cardiff City that it was not required to pay any transfer fee to FC Nantes, because FC Nantes could be liable for the Player's death and that such tort claim was to be set off against any payment obligation with respect to the transfer fee."
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2022 3:25 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64011483
They're under an embargo, are refusing to pay up and have appealed to a Swiss court now.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:26 pm
by Chester Perry
1st instalment now paid to Nantes
Emiliano Sala: Cardiff City pay Nantes first instalment of transfer fee
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64228188
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:17 am
by TheOriginalLongsider
Hopefully along with an apology!
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:11 am
by tiger76
Amazing what a transfer embargo can do in encouraging clubs to settle their debts isn't it.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:39 am
by ArmchairDetective
The articles on the matter only seem to refer to the first instalment. Do we know if they need to make further payments in the future, or was it agreed that they only pay the first instalment?
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:14 pm
by Lip
Still trying to get out of paying.
Legal discussions are still continuing with the club appealing to a Swiss Federal Court.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 1:31 pm
by RickyBobby
They’ll probably appeal to the welsh FA again.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:34 pm
by Notsosuperstevedavis
What I dont understand is:
Surely they’d have player insurance?
Or is that a bit nîave?
Assets of such value wouldnt be uninsured. Surely?
Sure Nantes want paying. Fair enough. But technically the insurance would have paid out. So its just a case of passing the insurance money over to Nantes.
Im guessing it isnt that simple.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:37 pm
by gc14
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64236759
Transfer embargo lifted after paying up the 1st instalment of the Sala fee
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:42 pm
by Hipper
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:46 pm
by dsr
Notsosuperstevedavis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:34 pm
What I dont understand is:
Surely they’d have player insurance?
Or is that a bit nîave?
Assets of such value wouldnt be uninsured. Surely?
Sure Nantes want paying. Fair enough. But technically the insurance would have paid out. So its just a case of passing the insurance money over to Nantes.
Im guessing it isnt that simple.
Apparently they didn't insure him. They're sueing their insurance broker (and this isn't an April Fool, though it sounds like one) because their insurance broker didn't tell them that they needed to add him to the policy. After saying for years that he wasn't their player and they didn't owe the money, they are now saying that they wanted to insure him two days earlier but they didn't know they had to tell the insurance company.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-63924598
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:50 pm
by Clovius Boofus
Bluebird forever, until they realised they had to cough up.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:53 pm
by jedi_master
The Welsh FA can’t save them from this one.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:53 pm
by Swizzlestick
I appreciate there are many complexities to this case, but this appears to be an extraordinarily weak argument from Cardiff.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:54 pm
by martin_p
Proper clutching at straws now. Surely anyone with any experience of life at all understands something isn’t insured until it’s added to a policy, unless they thought it worked like a home contents policy and the whole team was insured up to a total value?
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:05 pm
by Hipper
Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:53 pm
I appreciate there are many complexities to this case, but this appears to be an extraordinarily weak argument from Cardiff.
It does doesn't it. When I buy insurance I'm always told that I need to tell the relevant company if circumstances change. I don't know if it's for the brokers to show that their clients have been properly informed. Don't we agree to this by the action of signing the documents.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:40 am
by dsr
martin_p wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:54 pm
Proper clutching at straws now. Surely anyone with any experience of life at all understands something isn’t insured until it’s added to a policy, unless they thought it worked like a home contents policy and the whole team was insured up to a total value?
Home contents policies have "per item" coverage as well as total value coverage. If you buy a new £20k music system and someone nicks it, it wouldn't be insured unless the insurance company has been told and the premium adjusted.
Private individuals dealing with big businesses can, to an extent, get away with the defence "I'm an idiot and the big business should have made allowances for me being an idiot". Multi-million pound companies can't.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:34 am
by Jamesy
Before the tragic and avoidable Sala death I actually didn’t mind Cardiff City as a club and the people in the city of Cardiff are on the whole very nice.
However, shortly after the public outpouring of grief they started to try and wriggle out of their obligations to Nantes. They have dragged this on and on and on and the only reason they have now paid this first instalment is so that they can bring players in because they fear relegation is imminent.
I am sure decent Cardiff supporters are embarrassed or ashamed at the shabby and disrespectful way the custodians of their football club are acting.
What we must never forget is that a young talented man needlessly died here and his life was worth far more than the money Cardiff are still trying to wriggle out of paying.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:36 am
by TheOriginalLongsider
An insurance company won’t pay out if you’re reckless. So putting on a dodgy plane with a pilot who isn’t licensed to make the flight would seem to be reckless.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:00 pm
by Hipper
The court case continues:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-64333540
Jamesy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:34 am
..... and the people in the city of Cardiff are on the whole very nice.
I've only been for football and I've never seen this niceness. I always found it one of the more scary places to go.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:06 pm
by jedi_master
The fact Cardiff apparently tried to insure him for £20m the day after he died (as reported by the BBC) shows that they knew they were in deep s**t in terms of accountability for the transfer fee.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:06 pm
by dsr
I wonder if they would let me have life assurance against my grandparents? And great-grandparents? And great-great-grandparents? And ...
And can insure Charles I against having his head cut off?
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:11 pm
by Jakubclaret
Hipper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:05 pm
It does doesn't it. When I buy insurance I'm always told that I need to tell the relevant company if circumstances change. I don't know if it's for the brokers to show that their clients have been properly informed. Don't we agree to this by the action of signing the documents.
The cynic in me would suggest it opens up more reasons if a claim was to happen that more excuses & reasons not to pay out are available, although some legal obligation that the customers are equipped with the correct information prior to signing probably does exist making it watertight.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2023 5:33 pm
by Leisure
TheOriginalLongsider wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:36 am
An insurance company won’t pay out if you’re reckless. So putting on a dodgy plane with a pilot who isn’t licensed to make the flight would seem to be reckless.
And even more so when you don't inform the insurance company that he's now your player and needs adding to your policy, until the day after the crash!
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:11 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2 ... sfer-case/
So Vincent Tan is coming across as a real piece of work here..
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:52 pm
by tiger76
Appalling that this squabbling is still going on 4 years after Sala's tragic death.
And the only winners in this tawdry affair will be the lawyers as usual.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:43 pm
by Putneyclaret
Don’t blame the lawyers for the idiocy of their clients.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 4:41 pm
by Hipper
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 5:18 pm
by Dark Cloud
It's utterly ridiculous and embarrassing that Cardiff (or more likely that loon Tan) are still disputing things. The guy was quite clearly their player and whilst totally bizarre, random, unforeseen and not least completely tragic circumstances contrived to lose Cardiff around 6-8 million quid, they just have to suck it up and move on imo. I like to think if it had happened to us we'd have simply accepted it and coughed up and if we hadn't I'd be slagging the club off for it. Decent Cardiff fans are likely cringing.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 09, 2023 5:23 pm
by tarkys_ears
Surely it only takes a quick glance at a piece of paper to see if he's their player or not?
Bizarre!
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 10:20 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 10:47 am
by Big Vinny K
Did they ever establish which party was at fault here ?
The football agent Willie McKay is by all accounts an odious character. He arranged the flight for Sala but in court he said he only did this because staff at Cardiff were not taking responsibility in sorting this and he was asked to help.
Tragic for the family but never been clear to me who is at fault and whilst you can see a lot of the comments on Twitter saying Cardiff are a disgrace not sure how many people have the detailed knowledge to judge them.
£110m seems a crazy amount but again we are lacking context and details as to what this relates to.
Some of the comments that came out in court which were made by McKay don’t do anything to enhance the reputation of football agents though do they ?!!! Apparently he should not have been involved in the deal as he was declared bankrupt but was doing this deal through his sons company. The lack of regulation in this sector and what agents get away with remains alarming.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 11:01 am
by GodIsADeeJay81
https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2 ... iano-sala/
It's fairly obvious what the monies claimed is for, even without this additional link.
It's loss of revenue due to relegation
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 11:23 am
by martin_p
Think they’ll have a hard time proving they’d have stayed up with him playing.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 11:33 am
by claretonthecoast1882
What a scummy and odious set they are.
First they tried to deny he was their player and didn't have to pay, now they claim this.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 11:39 am
by dsr
Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 10:47 am
Did they ever establish which party was at fault here ?
The football agent Willie McKay is by all accounts an odious character. He arranged the flight for Sala but in court he said he only did this because staff at Cardiff were not taking responsibility in sorting this and he was asked to help.
Tragic for the family but never been clear to me who is at fault and whilst you can see a lot of the comments on Twitter saying Cardiff are a disgrace not sure how many people have the detailed knowledge to judge them.
£110m seems a crazy amount but again we are lacking context and details as to what this relates to.
Some of the comments that came out in court which were made by McKay don’t do anything to enhance the reputation of football agents though do they ?!!! Apparently he should not have been involved in the deal as he was declared bankrupt but was doing this deal through his sons company. The lack of regulation in this sector and what agents get away with remains alarming.
I think they have now accepted that Sala was their player because they have run out of courts to appeal to.
Now they have two main points to their argument:
1. The insurance broker is at fault for not telling them that they needed to insure Sala specifically as soon as he was signed.
2. Nantes are at fault because David Henderson had acted as their agent in the transfer and it was Henderson who arranged the flight for Sala and everything he did for Sala was in his capacity as Nantes' agent so it was Nantes' fault.
There's probably a third point which says "there are 8 billion people in this world and every one of them is more at fault than Cardiff were". If they don't get round to sueing you and me, it will be because we aren't insured, not because we aren't at fault.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Tue May 16, 2023 12:25 pm
by CoolClaret
They're a complete and utter disgrace
Shame Reading got their 6 point deduction - would have liked to see Cardiff relegated. Odious club
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 2:40 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
https://www.efl.com/news/2023/june/efl- ... diff-city/
They'll be allowed to pay transfer fees again from the January transfer window.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 5:30 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... -to-nantes
FIFA have told Cardiff to pay up the rest of the transfer fee
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2023 6:14 pm
by IanMcL
Now Tan has sold up in Belgium, perhaps he can pay!
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2023 5:32 am
by ecc
Let's hope this is the end of a thoroughly sordid and shameful saga.
Re: Cardiff City
Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:02 am
by Hipper
Meanwhile Nantes officials arrested in fraud inquiries:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-66071830