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Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:34 pm
by cricketfield73
I've been exchanging text messages today with a good friend of mine who is a season ticket holder at Ashton Gate and is currently on the coach up to Ewood Park and it got me thinking.
Although I wouldn't class Bristol City as a 'big' club per se, in fact after just checking, they were last in the top division in 1980, but I'd say that they must now be the biggest club never to have played in the Premier League.
Are there any other contenders?
Oh, and needless to say - come on you Robins!

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:45 pm
by Swizzlestick
PNE a contender with their history, but I guess it depends on how you define ‘big’.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:58 pm
by cricketfield73
Swizzlestick wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:45 pm
PNE a contender with their history, but I guess it depends on how you define ‘big’.
Good call that.
There can't be many more contenders - the only other club that's not what I'd think of as a 'small' club that comes to mind is Millwall.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 12:59 pm
by RammyClaret61
Does being superior make you big?

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:00 pm
by mdd2
Real Madrid?

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:02 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
https://www.wolfgangsport.com/the-7-big ... er-league/

The general consensus is PNE, followed by the likes of Millwall, Bristol City, Plymouth (due to size of city) and some others

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:20 pm
by Buxtonclaret
Plymouth, definitely.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:24 pm
by Jamesy
Buxtonclaret wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:20 pm
Plymouth, definitely.
Easy….. Stockport County.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:27 pm
by Pickles
In terms of potential, Plymouth Argyle are absolutely the one. Surprised they haven't been taken over. Enormous catchment area. They could be the next Brighton. Carlisle United and Exeter City too to a lesser extent.

But yes, Bristol City is a shout. PNE, too.

I like thinking about the "best" clubs for a billionaire to take over. It's a bit Football Manager, I suppose. But not too unrealistic. These things happen. Look at Wrexham.

York City is the one I always come back to. City, history, tourism, one club in the city, close to Leeds but still enough of a catchment area.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:29 pm
by Hibsclaret
You have to laugh about the superior chants after all our recent success. Really ironic and I’m sure they’ll still be singing their superior chant when we play them. Hopefully they never get to the prem and it’ll probably be a few lifetimes before they get anywhere near our record.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:38 pm
by Claretforever
Surprised nobody has mentioned Doncaster yet. Bristol is number one on this list I’d say, but for the size of area and potential Doncaster must be up there, as well as Plymouth.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:25 pm
by Dark Cloud
I agree and think the main 4 which spring to my mind have been covered. Plymouth has the potential to be absolutely huge when you look at the crowds they pull with only a modicum of success, as have Bristol C and Millwall. PNE to a lesser extent I'd say.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:28 pm
by elwaclaret
For history I think Notts County should be worthy of a mention

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:50 pm
by cricketfield73
Some very interesting points made and as a slight aside, who is the 'bigger' club where local rivals are concerned is something that I find interesting.
There are the very obvious ones, Bristol City are bigger than Bristol Rovers and Stoke are bigger than Port Vale for example, but ones which must be pretty close are Ipswich/Norwich, Cardiff/Swansea, Sheff Utd/Sheff Wed and Wolves/West Brom.
There's another one closer to home too, but it's hard to be objective!

Edit: just spotted elwa's post - Nottingham Forest/Notts. County is also pretty obvious....

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:52 pm
by NRC
I’m going to throw in there the cheltenham/Gloucester area, as well as “Birmingham South” so perhaps Solihull? And what about Northampton?

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:07 pm
by Tribesmen
United of Manchester

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 4:08 pm
by NRC
NRC wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 3:52 pm
I’m going to throw in there the cheltenham/Gloucester area, as well as “Birmingham South” so perhaps Solihull? And what about Northampton?
Not big clubs, mind, but big conurbations

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 5:11 pm
by Tricky Trevor
I’ve just done some research and 50 clubs have now played Premier League football. It’s reaching the stage where it’s a poor do if you haven’t been in.
Over the years Oldham Athletic and Wimbledon have had the biggest fall from grace.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:43 pm
by bobinho
Birmingham City

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:26 pm
by Tricky Trevor
bobinho wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 7:43 pm
Birmingham City
They were in for quite a while.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:37 pm
by bobinho
Ooops.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:38 pm
by 4midable
GodIsADeeJay81 wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:02 pm
https://www.wolfgangsport.com/the-7-big ... er-league/

The general consensus is PNE, followed by the likes of Millwall, Bristol City, Plymouth (due to size of city) and some others
Milwall in the prem would be weekly carnage

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:39 pm
by Devils_Advocate
Not a massive club but as founder members I think Wallsall deserves a mention

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:45 pm
by Bosscat
Notts County 🤔 possibly ... they are possibly the oldest club never to have played in the EPL

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:54 pm
by boatshed bill
Bradford is way up the big city list by population.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:01 pm
by Vegas Claret
boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:54 pm
Bradford is way up the big city list by population.
they played in the PL

I'd agree with Plymouth

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:05 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
4midable wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:38 pm
Milwall in the prem would be weekly carnage
Their London based away games would provide the police with a lot to do :?

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:10 pm
by boatshed bill
Vegas Claret wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:01 pm
they played in the PL

I'd agree with Plymouth
Wow, i'd forgotten that.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:11 pm
by thehistorylecturer1
Preston by a landslide - Plymouth have never played
in the old topflight either or won anything of note ?

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:45 pm
by timshorts
thehistorylecturer1 wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:11 pm
Preston by a landslide - Plymouth have never played
in the old topflight either or won anything of note ?
Plymouth do hold a record of being runners up in div 3 six seasons in a row.
Millwall seem the odd one out of the four. I don't see them as being bigger than Swindon or Chesterfield or Carlisle.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:15 pm
by Bosscat
boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:54 pm
Bradford is way up the big city list by population.
Played in the prem ... don't you remember Stuart McCall p!ssed falling off a car bonnet celebrating promotion to prem

https://youtu.be/ryKBnRP4Xlg

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2022 11:22 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
timshorts wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:45 pm
Plymouth do hold a record of being runners up in div 3 six seasons in a row.
Millwall seem the odd one out of the four. I don't see them as being bigger than Swindon or Chesterfield or Carlisle.
Swindon have been in the PL

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:22 am
by Clarets4me
Bosscat wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 8:45 pm
Notts County 🤔 possibly ... they are possibly the oldest club never to have played in the EPL
Notts County were signatories to the formation of the Premier League, in July 1991, with the new League starting in the 1992-93 season.

However, they were relegated, together with West Ham United and Luton Town, and neither County or Luton have ever kicked a ball in the Premier League. When Brentford were promoted in 2021, they became the 50th Club to enjoy at least one season of Premier League Football.

Re: Biggest club never to play in the Premier League?

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2022 2:34 am
by Vegas Claret
boatshed bill wrote:
Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:10 pm
Wow, i'd forgotten that.
I had to think long and hard about it !!