..who would you rather have right now?

Tella, without a shadow of a doubt.

Neither, Id rather have a multi-storey car park

Hard to say as I haven't seen McNeil in the championship but on current form, Tella. He brings excitement and energy to the game.

McNeil- he would be unstoppable in the league below what he's playing.

Tella is doing well though, but as a striker. Not a left sided creative player.

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:48 pm

..who would you rather have right now?

Copyright infringement! I said on another thread Tella rather than McNeil any day of the week!

I always preferred Penn to Tella.

Tella is a forward (striker), McNeil is a wide midfielder (winger)
I'd have them both, ideally.

I suspect the question was rhetorical and I would probably agree and say Tella, because Southampton fans on the whole rate him better than Walcott and Redmond, he does after all have about 20 PL starts so they have seen plenty of him at the highest level. They view this loan as a huge gaffe by Hassenhuttl.

But, he had a knee injury in pre season and has just left the field not looking great in our last 2 games, Vinny says it was just energy but who knows? Dwight has a fantastic record of starting, so I think my view is that Tella looks a top, top player with a great mentality who could drive us to promotion but his fitness needs to be proven before I can answer the above question. Come back in 9 months.

I've seen Tella use both feet

Tella better first touch and can finish with either foot .

McNeil. He would comfortably be the best player in this league and it wouldn’t even be close

Tella looks good at this level. Not sure he’s premier league player though.

Very different players. Both together in the same side would be fun. McNeil would have been excellent in this division but without perhaps have the same direct goalscoring threat Tella has.

I think somewhere down the line, McNeil will regret leaving us from a footballing point of view. I see him being on the fringes at Goodison this season, where as he could/would have been an incredible asset to us and potentially play 40 games. Tella's got potential, with skill and pace in abundance, but I just think McNeil given a free role under VK would have been a class act for us this season. Alas we'll never know.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 04, 2022 10:50 pm

Neither, Id rather have a multi-storey car park

Could you get £20 million for a multi storey car park? I suppose it depends how multi it is.

Right, so if we'd kept McNeill, we'd never have got Tella?

I get it, its a quiet day

The caveat to any debate like this is that we are now playing at a level which isn't as skillful as the one previously.

The way Tella is playing you've got to ask why Southampton let him go out on loan. It suggests he struggled just as McNeil did at times in the Prem.

Likewise you'd therefore think McNeil would do very well in the Championship.

How much does it cost to build a medium multi storey in an average city?

A young £20m player who has loads of premier league experience vs a young player loaned out from the prem to the championship. Mmmmm

Tella- he's delivering an end product which Dwight hasn't for a long time.

And the "20m for for Dwight looks a good deal presently, as he's hardly set the world alight at Everton yet, he might given time, however equally their demanding fans could easily make him one of the scapegoats for their slow start to the season.

Tella all day:

Super sun amic, runs in behind can shoot/trap/pass with either foot.

Seriously impressed with him

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:25 am

McNeil. He would comfortably be the best player in this league and it wouldn’t even be close

Nonsense.

McNeil looks burnt out, even though he's moved clubs.

I'm not sure he'd be as good as Tella has been for us this season.

Tella without a shadow of a doubt, he is so unpredictable he his hard to mark and has pace, McNeil has been sussed

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:54 am

Tella- he's delivering an end product which Dwight hasn't for a long time.

But at a level which is easier to do so.

McNeil was an 80th minute sub on Saturday.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:15 am

Tella all day:

Super sun amic, runs in behind can shoot/trap/pass with either foot.

Seriously impressed with him

This is meant to say super dynamic *

Hipper wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:35 am

Could you get £20 million for a multi storey car park? I suppose it depends how multi it is.

Ask Joni Mitchell or dandeclaret as they are the experts on this subject

SalouClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:17 am

Nonsense.

Look at the quality of this league. McNeil would comfortably be the best player in it.

As for Tella he’s a good player for this league, but in the prem he won’t get as much time, the players are faster and more physical.

Funkydrummer wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 9:47 am

McNeil was an 80th minute sub on Saturday.

His substitution changed the game in Everton's favour.

Once they saw McNeil running at Liverpool players they all gained confidence from it and attacked more. I was expecting a Liverpool onslaught for the last 10 minutes but Everton were the side wanting to win. Pickford was strangely timewasting though when Everton were on top at the end.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:25 am

McNeil. He would comfortably be the best player in this league and it wouldn’t even be close.

He wouldn't even be the best player at the club.

A bit of perspective. They are playing at in different division against different standards of defenders.

True, McNeil had poor season for us last year but against higher quality opposition in a side more focussed on being tight and restrictive. Overall McNeil did play very well for us at times over 3 seasons, so some recency bias on him given last season was so poor (for almost everyone in the squad mind you, not just him).

Tella has had a very good start to his season with us this year, but against a much lower quality of opposition in a team which has a lot more of the ball. McNeil had a good game for Everton on Sat, up against international players who have won champions league & league in the last 3 years. For comparison, Tella played well and scored against a Wigan team who's 3 Centre Back have never played at Championship level before this season.

Totally different players.

Dwight has better close control, Tella is quicker and a better finisher.

In the formation we are currently playing Tella is far better suited, it is hard to imagine Dwight scoring either of Tella's goals against Blackpool or winning the penalty at West Brom.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:10 am

He wouldn't even be the best player at the club.

Give over. There’s no one in our squad even remotely close

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:16 am

Give over. There’s no one in our squad even remotely close

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:10 am

He wouldn't even be the best player at the club.

How do you know?

All our new signings have potential but are unproven at PL level.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:17 am

How do you know?

All our new signings have potential but are unproven at PL level.

Neither is McNeil. He hasn't played well for about 2 years.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:19 am

Neither is McNeil.

Sorry, but you're wrong there. Yes, he has lost his way but to say he's unproven at PL level is daft.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:19 am

Neither is McNeil. He hasn't played well for about 2 years.

Do you know how many 22 year olds have over 100 pl apps?

McNeil is in the minority of all footballers in the country to achieve this feat.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:22 am

Do you know how many 22 year olds have over 100 pl apps?

McNeil is in the minority of all footballers in the country to achieve this feat.

And it was pretty obvious he needed dropping/resting last season. It was only the lack of an alternative that prevented this.

I don't think there has been enough McNeil bashing for Papabendi on this thread yet.

I would have liked to see McNeil using his weight of pass to play Tella in as a tactic though. Would have brought us plenty of goals this season.

Mcneil 2 years ago, the current Mcneil? I'd have to go for Tella.

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:24 am

And it was pretty obvious he needed dropping/resting last season. It was only the lack of an alternative that prevented this.

But the comparison is nonsense.

Tella as good as he has been is older than McNeil and only has 30 odd professional games in his career. McNeil is operating at a different level

Conroysleftfoot wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:21 am

Sorry, but you're wrong there. Yes, he has lost his way but to say he's unproven at PL level is daft.

So you're judging him being proven on performances several seasons ago (because that's when he last played consistently well!).
That's like saying that Barnes is proven at this level, even though we know he isn't any more.

There's a reason Everton dropped McNeil so early.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:27 am

But the comparison is nonsense.

Tella as good as he has been is older than McNeil and only has 30 odd professional games in his career. McNeil is operating at a different level

What level is Mcneil operating at though? his games gone to shite in the last year.

Ive said it before and got pelters but McNeil is a poor player.
He had 6 months when he first burst onto the scene where he was our saviour but it went to his head and he has been largely rubbish for 2 years.
He is Dele Alli mark 2. He doesn’t score and doesn’t create. He is totally one footed… on the plus side he is ok defensively.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:27 am

But the comparison is nonsense.

Tella as good as he has been is older than McNeil and only has 30 odd professional games in his career. McNeil is operating at a different level

I can tell you didn't attend games last season.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:28 am

What level is Mcneil operating at though? his games gone to shite in the last year.

He’s still operating above championship level.

People are writing him off far too early. He has bags of ability.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:32 am

He’s still operating above championship level.

People are writing him off far too early. He has bags of ability.

If he had that much ability, I'm sure we'd have stayed up, especially given the number of games he played, as you've been quick to point out!

One thing from his cameo on Saturday I noticed was his lack of pressing, he had literally just come on but couldn’t be bothered chasing the ball down on a couple of occasions, Iwobi was chasing absolutely everything and he’d been playing from the start!