enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxgUQI-JqHs

Keeps buffering when I try and watch it, I’ll watch that tomorrow though, both top blokes

Enjoyed that.

Good watch

Never heard of that phrase “skriker” or whatever it was.

clarethomer wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:13 pm

Never heard of that phrase “skriker” or whatever it was.

Skriking your eyes out = crying
Proper Burnley that

Never heard of that phrase “skriker” or whatever it was.

Skriking….means crying. Often heard in our house when we were kids “Stop Skriking or you’ll get something to skrike about

I thought ‘ama gaet’ would have been a show in on the dialogue questions!

burnmark wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:42 pm

I thought ‘ama gaet’ would have been a show in on the dialogue questions!

Izza agate

I remember a bloke at work in Cheltenham looking at me like I’d lost the plot, ‘sorry what? He’s a gate?’

He must be a dream to interview, so calm and chilled and when he speaks he just commands attention. I am savouring every minute of him!

“I’m agate…” Lancashire dialect. Agating was the stretching out of the wool before weaving. Prior to the industrial revolution the hills of East Lancs would have been permanently white (like snow covering from a distance) in appearance due to the agating.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:04 pm

“I’m agate…” Lancashire dialect. Agating was the stretching out of the wool before weaving. Prior to the industrial revolution the hills of East Lancs would have been permanently white (like snow covering from a distance) in appearance due to the agating.

I thought us Yorkies had the wool and you had cotton?

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Tue Sep 20, 2022 9:46 pm

Izza agate

I remember a bloke at work in Cheltenham looking at me like I’d lost the plot, ‘sorry what? He’s a gate?’

Did he take a fence?

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:13 pm

I thought us Yorkies had the wool and you had cotton?

That’s true, Burnley was a cotton town.

vinnies a top man,and football at burnley is enjoyable once more,improvement will come as the team settles,but i think we are are loving it now

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 21, 2022 3:04 pm

“I’m agate…” Lancashire dialect. Agating was the stretching out of the wool before weaving. Prior to the industrial revolution the hills of East Lancs would have been permanently white (like snow covering from a distance) in appearance due to the agating.

but why did people say it ? if they said "I were agate " were is the context of the weaving process?

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:56 am

but why did people say it ? if they said "I were agate " were is the context of the weaving process?

Think it meant they had turned to stone (or crystal)

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:56 am

but why did people say it ? if they said "I were agate " were is the context of the weaving process?

Sorry was it not clear. Agating was stretching out the fleeces to make yarn. The wool would be stretched over days. People doing it “were agate” on the fields.

Wile E Coyote wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:56 am

but why did people say it ? if they said "I were agate " were is the context of the weaving process?

Must admit, Im struggling, I was worried I was the only stupid one

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 21, 2022 7:13 pm

I thought us Yorkies had the wool and you had cotton?

The cotton industry was late into East Lancashire, arriving around the 1860’s. East Lancashire was wool up to that point, Rossendale was also the smallest region to have a Luddite riot as agitation moved from West Yorkshire and into Cottonopolis (Manchester).

I heartily recommend Newbiggin’s “The History of the Forest of Rossendale” now available as a scanned edition from Amazon. Absolutely amazing as it was written when memories of pre-industrial Lancs were still living to relate their experiences.

Based in the Valley, but tells the history of the clearing of Blackborne Forest: the Forests of Pendle, Trawden and Rossendale from the time of King John to Henry VIII who opened two chapels of ease, which led to increased settlement of Newchurch (which for a time had its own wool exchange in Rossendale, and Colne if memory serves. The main bridleways at the time headed either to Whalley (administration capital), Rochdale and Yorkshire woolpacks - The Gawkmanshaw road to Todmorden (now a minor road) was a major artery in the area running across the border of Rossendale to Todmorden and on to Leeds.

The version I often hear is I'm agate morphed into I'm-a-get. So funny when someone tells a story using that over and over! and I'm a get and he's a get...

As I recall that term was much used as per "was going like this" (as i- was doing this).
So I always assumed the gate/gaet was connected to gehen etc in Germanic languages (to go).
(as per in place names which have gate at the end (westgate etc) which have nowt to do with gates (that open and shut) but connected to gate meaning road some Germanic languages- eg old Norse /Viking.

a/y before a verb also an old Germanic grammatical tool too I think as in "a hunting will will go" which makes no sense if the "a" is the indefinite article.

Is the more general/modern spoken equivalent ... he was going/he was like.... ?

LeadBelly wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:12 pm

As I recall that term was much used as per "was going like this" (as i- was doing this).
So I always assumed the gate/gaet was connected to gehen etc in Germanic languages (to go).
(as per in place names which have gate at the end (westgate etc) which have nowt to do with gates (that open and shut) but connected to gate meaning road some Germanic languages- eg old Norse /Viking.

a/y before a verb also an old Germanic grammatical tool too I think as in "a hunting will will go" which makes no sense if the "a" is the indefinite article.

Is the more general/modern spoken equivalent ... he was going/he was like.... ?

The A is not indefinite, the term ‘agate’ has changed over time, agating was done after the processes of ‘carding’ (combing) and “fullering” (bleaching in urine). Have to say Google search is useless for researching this, you just end up with page after page of people selling a gated wool, not anything explaining the process. I shall dig out references to the terminology in contemporary literature when time allows; though at the moment I am moving into different areas of Victorian Studies as I get up to speed for my Victorian Studies Masters Degree.

Born and bred in Rossendale and our dialect is different than the Burnley twang and I can honestly say I have never heard anyone say I am agate

My Gran was from Nelson and worked in the weaving sheds and she never used it either, so I think it's just a Burnley twang which is an accent different to most other areas of Lancashire.

I am quite broad Lancashire and often say I gete summut for nowt or I gete summut for a fiver but never a gate

Certainly used in Accy - my (southern) wife was very confused when I used that phrase! (He's agait.....)

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:21 pm

Born and bred in Rossendale and our dialect is different than the Burnley twang and I can honestly say I have never heard anyone say I am agate

My Gran was from Nelson and worked in the weaving sheds and she never used it either, so I think it's just a Burnley twang which is an accent different to most other areas of Lancashire.

I am quite broad Lancashire and often say I gete summut for nowt or I gete summut for a fiver but never a gate

Also brought up in the Valley, all I can ask is how you have avoided the term, though age may be relevant as it was much more widely used 30-40 years ago. However it is still in fairly common usage Newchurch, Waterfoot, Stackstead’s and Bacup…. The main areas of wool production prior to the 1860’s in the valley.

If you are interested in Valley history, a Bacup historian Steve Oldfield is currently around his third book (of five) covering the Valley, a village to village history. It is not dry at all and is a really interesting read. But further to that I would recommend again ‘The History of Rossendale Forest’ Newbiggin (Rossendale Free Press Books, 1898) for really in depth study.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:26 pm

Also brought up in the Valley, all I can ask is how you have avoided the term, though age may be relevant as it was much more widely used 30-40 years ago. However it is still in fairly common usage Newchurch, Waterfoot, Stakstead’s and Bacup…. The main areas of wool production prior to the 1860’s in the valley.

I have lived all over the Valley and supped in every pub and club from Healey Dell to Rising Bridge and never heard the term, it is purely Burnley.

Asked my wife who is from Hassy and she said she worked in Burnley and that was the first time she Heard it and by the way I have lived up Bacup and Water some 30 years, Rawtenstall and Hassy another 30 and my Dad and Grandad were from Loveclough from farming stock and they never used it

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:36 pm

I have lived all over the Valley and supped in every pub and club from Healey Dell to Rising Bridge and never heard the term, it is purely Burnley.

Asked my wife who is from Hassy and she said she worked in Burnley and that was the first time she Heard it and by the way I have lived up Bacup and Water some 30 years, Rawtenstall and Hassy another 30 and my Dad and Grandad were from Loveclough from farming stock and they never used it

So because neither you or your wife has heard the term it was not used in the valley? I don”t like using the definite as a rule, but you are wrong.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:43 pm

So because neither you or your wife has heard the term it was not used in the valley? I don”t like using the definite as a rule, but you are wrong.

I get the impression you now don't live in Rossendale anymore am I correct?

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:47 pm

I get the impression you now don't live in Rossendale anymore am I correct?

Correct, I am currently in Accrington, having moved eight years ago from Lumb. However I visit regularly as my family still lives around Waterfoot. Not sure how that is in the slightest relevant to the discussion… which is a matter of historical record and may be referenced in the books I have recommended.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:54 pm

Correct, I am currently in Accrington, having moved eight years ago from Lumb. However I visit regularly as my family still lives around Waterfoot. Not sure how that is in the slightest relevant to the discussion… which is a matter of historical record and may be referenced in the books I have recommended.

There probably are people from Burnley who live in the valley who say it but they aren't Rossendalians.
I certainly haven't heard it in the Commer or the Hargreaves .

Its relevant because I honestly don't think you know what you are talking about

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:02 pm

There probably are people from Burnley who live in the valley who say it but they aren't Rossendalians.
I certainly haven't heard it in the Commer or the Hargreaves .

Its relevant because I honestly don't think you know what you are talking about

Well that is you prerogative. If your references are the Commercial and the Hargreaves Arms public houses… I’ll stick to my historical academic references, and my in depth study of the Valley in the 1740’s for my degree dissertation, if you don’t mind.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:07 pm

Well that is you prerogative. If your references are the Commercial and the Hargreaves Arms public houses… I’ll stick to my historical academic references, and my in depth study of the Valley in the 1740’s for my degree dissertation, if you don’t mind.

Thought as much you spend all your time reading books.


Ditch the theory and do some practical and I'll tek thee in hand

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 5:15 pm

Thought as much you spend all your time reading books.


Ditch the theory and do some practical and I'll tek thee in hand

Judging by your choices of drinking holes, I’ll pass thanks (though I wasn’t an infrequent visitor to the Hargreaves when I lived near Lumb Baptist). And for future reference I have a HND (practical) as well as a BA (Hons) (academic), thanks anyway.

My missus grew up in Rawtenstall, and her parents before her. They use "I were a gate" regularly and despite asking several times, I have no blinking idea what it means. Not even sure they do!

Got to love the way in which a post about an interview turns into a spat about who is the more genuine local.

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:21 pm

Born and bred in Rossendale and our dialect is different than the Burnley twang and I can honestly say I have never heard anyone say I am agate

My Gran was from Nelson and worked in the weaving sheds and she never used it either, so I think it's just a Burnley twang which is an accent different to most other areas of Lancashire.

I am quite broad Lancashire and often say I gete summut for nowt or I gete summut for a fiver but never a gate

Agree with Top Claret about his Gran. I'm Nelson born and bred and never, ever heard 'agate' in conversation. Definitely got to be a Burnley thing.
First time I heard it was after leaving Walton in the early 80's, I went to Habergham and started courting (lol) this lass and she came out with it!
After seeing my quizzical looks she translated it for me.

Still don't use the word to this day. Just saying.

agate is my Mum's favourite thing to say. I've never said it though, despite us both being from Padiham.

LeadBelly wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 3:12 pm

As I recall that term was much used as per "was going like this" (as i- was doing this).
So I always assumed the gate/gaet was connected to gehen etc in Germanic languages (to go).
(as per in place names which have gate at the end (westgate etc) which have nowt to do with gates (that open and shut) but connected to gate meaning road some Germanic languages- eg old Norse /Viking.

a/y before a verb also an old Germanic grammatical tool too I think as in "a hunting will will go" which makes no sense if the "a" is the indefinite article.

Is the more general/modern spoken equivalent ... he was going/he was like.... ?

I've found this online which I haven't seen before but largely ties in with my explanation above (which is based on previous info Ive seen on the subject of dialect words/phrases.) http://www.viking.no/e/england/yorkshire_norse.htm

I hate the word Bobbins its so bloody Manc. Obviously introduced from the foreigners who have moved North from Manchester because it's certainly not Lancashire

Hantsclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:24 pm

Certainly used in Accy - my (southern) wife was very confused when I used that phrase! (He's agait.....)

I am Accrington born and bred and widely used there

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 4:43 pm

So because neither you or your wife has heard the term it was not used in the valley? I don”t like using the definite as a rule, but you are wrong.

Just to back up Top Claret - lived in Hassy from early 1952 for over 20 years. Family lived there for a few generations before and kept in touch with family there since I left in early 1970’s, never come across “agate” until I started using this message board and it’s predecessor.

I lived in Rossendale until I was 18 and I definitely recall the locals using the term ‘agate’ to describe a swinging door in a fence or wall. Maybe the term originated in Burnley but over the centuries has spread to such corners of the earth as Rossendale and maybe even Hyndburn.

He’s never had a Benne and Hot??

Top Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 22, 2022 8:31 pm

I hate the word Bobbins its so bloody Manc. Obviously introduced from the foreigners who have moved North from Manchester because it's certainly not Lancashire

Manchester (and Liverpool) are part of Lancashire, certainly historically. It's 25 miles from Burnley, hardly long distance mass immigration.

I'm guessing the use of the word stems more from Timperley's finest