Is Vincent just an apprentice Football Manager experimenting with a certain style of play he learned at Man City without worrying too much about the end product ?

No.

Ask me in April

He’s developing a brand new team from scratch and seems to be getting them buying in to his preferred style of play.

Gives the impression of someone who will be a top manager. I may be wrong, but we’ll see.

A bit daft that to be fair. We just need to be more clinical. Playing some great football and 3-0 wouldn't have flattered us.

He has no clue how to close out a game

But we are not getting the wins. Posession is all well and good but it needs to lead to points. Many fans getting frustrated with the lack of forward momentum. We have already been sussed by inferior teams nicking easy points.

It's true we are giving too many easy points away. Should have well and truly finished Stoke off tonight.

Pep finished 4th in his first season and didn't win a trophy. He's 12 games in ffs

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:48 am

Pep finished 4th in his first season and didn't win a trophy. He's 12 games in ffs

Are you comparing Vince to Pep?

He is going to be brilliant. Still learning all the time, but the signs are there. Even tonight we absolutely dominated Stoke. It's a matter of tweaks now and considering the work he had to do when he first landed, that is some incredible featbfor us to be where we are at right now.

I think once he’s acquired a truly ingenious footballing mind by retiring, developing the most pessimistic outlook on life it is humanly possible to possess, and then dividing his time exclusively between watching daytime television and posting incessantly on UpTheClarets.com, I’ll have much more faith in him.

The base is brilliant, a few tweaks and we'll be a better side. VK will get it right, just needs time.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:23 am

The base is brilliant, a few tweaks and we'll be a better side. VK will get it right, just needs time.

Fact is that all of the late goals came about in a different way:

WBA: Roberts miscue
Cardiff: could have brought on Beyer & moved Charlie to LB to plug the gaps
Tonight: maybe Charlie on for Tella in last few minutes?

Nothing wrong with our play, entertaining to watch, but nothing wrong in closing shop for the last 5 mins to seal the points

BabylonClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:01 am

Are you comparing Vince to Pep?

I am but not the way you are suggesting
I'm saying even with all his experience and the excellent squad he inherited he still finished 4th and won nothing, try doing it on a shoe string budget with not much experience.

KRBFC wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:23 am

The base is brilliant, a few tweaks and we'll be a better side. VK will get it right, just needs time.

same folks moaning are the ones who sat watching Dycheball in silence

Kompany is certainly not playing a similar system to City
They always play with a back four and playing just three for us could be our downfall when put under pressure

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:29 am

I am but not the way you are suggesting
I'm saying even with all his experience and the excellent squad he inherited he still finished 4th and won nothing, try doing it on a shoe string budget with not much experience.

Agree he needs time. Anyone does. The argument doesn't need Pep as the comparator.

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:45 am

Kompany is certainly not playing a similar system to City
They always play with a back four and playing just three for us could be our downfall when put under pressure

I’m not sure what we give up by playing Charlie at LB. It’s not as if he didn’t bomb up and down the wing, is it? And against PL opposition. What he’d be dealing with now is a walk in the park in comparison

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:48 am

Pep finished 4th in his first season and didn't win a trophy. He's 12 games in ffs

Interestingly I remember that season many City fans weren’t convinced and thought they were just passing for the sake of it. Some similar comments to what we are seeing here. It’s not the case, just takes time and the right players, neither of which we’ve really had yet (referring to a key player in the system, Twine, being unavailable).

I would have liked to have seen a more defensive substitution after JBG come on, protect what we've got.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:29 am

I am but not the way you are suggesting
I'm saying even with all his experience and the excellent squad he inherited he still finished 4th and won nothing, try doing it on a shoe string budget with not much experience.

Isn’t this one of the most expensive squads in the league with some of the most experienced prem league experience?

I am all for defending Kompany but let’s not make it he’s working miracles. It’s clear he’s got the best squad in this league (in a league that is incredibly poor).

He may come good but he also may not. Time will tell with this one

Dara Costelloe needs to be brought back.He could have been used to good effect to attack v Cardiff and Stoke for the last 15mins
Last night Maatsen with his pace was missed
A very poor use of our resources

I think Kompany will go to the very top as a manager but I’m not sure this squad is anyway near good enough to be able to play the way he wants to play.

It’s all well and good having loads of possession in your own half, it’s what you actually do with it in the opposition half that really matters.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:08 am

I think Kompany will go to the very top as a manager but I’m not sure this squad is anyway near good enough to be able to play the way he wants to play.

It’s all well and good having loads of possession in your own half, it’s what you actually do with it in the opposition half that really matters.

What makes you believe that he will go to the very top?

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:10 am

What makes you believe that he will go to the very top?

A hunch, his leadership, the way he comes across, the schooling he’s previously had (like Arteta, Vieira etc.)

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:10 am

What makes you believe that he will go to the very top?

Modern coach, modern football, can attract players and players seem to love playing for him. Has the ingredients to manage in a top league. For some perspective, Potter’s Swansea finished 10th in the Championship when he was poached by Brighton.

I find it a bit bewildering that Bastien seems to have disappeared, save for the odd couple of minutes here and there, when he was starting to show a few promising signs.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:13 am

A hunch, his leadership, the way he comes across, the schooling he’s previously had (like Arteta, Vieira etc.)

Fair enough, I think we need to see results with Kompany before anyone can judge.

His style is alright and he has a relatively decent pull in the game (due to his name), however to date in his career he has just not been successful. Hopefully that changes this year

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:18 am

Fair enough, I think we need to see results with Kompany before anyone can judge.

His style is alright and he has a relatively decent pull in the game (due to his name), however to date in his career he has just not been successful. Hopefully that changes this year

If you listen to his interviews regarding his time at Anderlecht, as well as reading between lines in interviews with Bellamy (was posted here the other day), it seems like what he did there can be considered a success. There are a lot of political and financial issues at that club it seems.

Oh and Anderlecht are currently 10th in the league with the new manager and playing rancid football according to their fans.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:21 am

If you listen to his interviews regarding his time at Anderlecht, as well as reading between lines in interviews with Bellamy (was posted here the other day), it seems like what he did there can be considered a success. There are a lot of political and financial issues at that club it seems.

Oh and Anderlecht are currently 10th in the league with the new manager and playing rancid football according to their fans.

I get what your saying but ultimately he only finished third and failed to qualify for any European comps.

At some point he will have to do a Dyche and finish above where expected and achieve the results.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:24 am

I get what your saying but ultimately he only finished third and failed to qualify for any European comps.

At some point he will have to do a Dyche and finish above where expected and achieve the results.

He got them back into Europe after a season or two out.

I think a top 4 finish this season for us would be decent, given most were predicting (and some still are) mid table or below.

The foundation is there to be seen and it just needs to click with the final ball. We seem to have stopped making plays through midfield and consistently go down the wings, and I for one think that is where we are going wrong, we need someone who can play that defence splitting pass from centre midfield, rather than pass it out to the wings all the time. We were doing it at the start of the season but as we have progressed we seem to have changed to supplying from the wings. no need to panic through, when it does click we will storm this league.

Beagle wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:10 am

I think once he’s acquired a truly ingenious footballing mind by retiring, developing the most pessimistic outlook on life it is humanly possible to possess, and then dividing his time exclusively between watching daytime television and posting incessantly on UpTheClarets.com, I’ll have much more faith in him.

I don't watch day time TV. I look at porn.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:51 am

Isn’t this one of the most expensive squads in the league with some of the most experienced prem league experience?

I am all for defending Kompany but let’s not make it he’s working miracles. It’s clear he’s got the best squad in this league (in a league that is incredibly poor).

He may come good but he also may not. Time will tell with this one

Kompany may well be one of the most expensive managers.

I am generally happy with VK. I am not happy with the approach to seeing out games.

The massive lad that scored was warming up for ages before he came on on the lhs. It was obvious that he would be coming on to do exactly what he did to tower over over right full back. That's not a criticism of Roberts who had a good game. It's tactical nativity again though. We could have put CT on and moved Bayer to rb, but no we do nothing again. It's as obvious as Stan's blind man what every team we play is going to do in the last 10 minutes.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:30 am

same folks moaning are the ones who sat watching Dycheball in silence

I know it was awful watching top class defenders shut up shop against some of the worlds best. And thats what Vincent has get into this team as well as the niceties- and they are.

what I've noticed is that when we get the ball in the line between their defence and midfield the onus is on keeping it, rather than seeking through balls. We seem scared at points to make that final pass, preferring to reset and recycle.

Once this clicks we'll do better. A centre forward with a bit of pace would help break the line more. Tella is more used to stick wide.

We'll get there. January could be interesting if we bring one in.

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:01 am

I know it was awful watching top class defenders shut up shop against some of the worlds best. And thats what Vincent has get into this team as well as the niceties- and they are.

Yes, I agree it was. Backs to the wall, every single week regardless of if we played Liverpool or Lincoln did become tedious.

How did Stoke score last night? We seemed to be caught cold after everyone had an injury break, a missed tackle at right midfield allowed the Stoke player to cut inside, he laid it off to their right winger and he crossed for a soft header. (I haven’t seen a replay) what can a manager do about that?

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:51 am

Isn’t this one of the most expensive squads in the league with some of the most experienced prem league experience?

I am all for defending Kompany but let’s not make it he’s working miracles. It’s clear he’s got the best squad in this league (in a league that is incredibly poor).

He may come good but he also may not. Time will tell with this one

Why do you constantly lie and change you stance to suit the weird agenda you have.

You spent the summer saying we would be mid table at best and more likely to go down than up (although when challenged you bottled a bet despite having a go at someone else for not taking up a bet with you) You said we would be on a par with West Brom, that Hull are better, then it was we are taking cheap options with signings, now suddenly you claim we have the most expensive and clearly the best squad in the division (even without the pin up boys Swift & Wallace). Now this league that you spent months claiming we would struggle is incredibly poor. When we win you vanish and shut up and come crawling back out when ever there is a negative for you to enjoy.

Why do you do this, why not watch a different team on your tv that suits you better then post on their forum.

The late equalisers have been frustrating but we have only lost once. That is a huge positive that a lot of people seem to want to ignore

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:07 am

Why do you constantly lie and change you stance to suit the weird agenda you have.

You spent the summer saying we would be mid table at best and more likely to go down than up (although when challenged you bottled a bet despite having a go at someone else for not taking up a bet with you) You said we would be on a par with West Brom, that Hull are better, then it was we are taking cheap options with signings, now suddenly you claim we have the most expensive and clearly the best squad in the division (even without the pin up boys Swift & Wallace). Now this league that you spent months claiming we would struggle is incredibly poor. When we win you vanish and shut up and come crawling back out when ever there is a negative for you to enjoy.

Why do you do this, why not watch a different team on your tv that suits you better then post on their forum.

Actually if you want to be accurate my opinion changed numerous times throughout the summer.

To the point where, I even said we would walk this league (when it looked like Collins and McNeil were staying). When the window closed I said we could still get promoted.

Not entirely sure what I said that was inaccurate. Kompanys career to date (in management) has been fairly average, in my opinion a manager that is going all the way to the top needs to be achieve more than that.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:13 am

Actually if you want to be accurate my opinion changed numerous times throughout the summer.

To the point where, I even said we would walk this league (when it looked like Collins and McNeil were staying). When the window closed I said we could still get promoted.

Not entirely sure what I said that was inaccurate. Kompanys career to date (in management) has been fairly average, in my opinion a manager that is going all the way to the top needs to be achieve more than that.

Kompany is the new Brownhill then, almost everything you say is inaccurate or just plain ********. It is like you crave attention on the internet so just spout nonsense so that someone will talk to you. I actually pity you

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:16 am

Kompany is the new Brownhill then, almost everything you say is inaccurate or just plain ********. It is like you crave attention on the internet so just spout nonsense so that someone will talk to you. I actually pity you

I have no idea what I have said that is inaccurate there, but whatever floats your boat

Belgianclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:28 am

Fact is that all of the late goals came about in a different way:

WBA: Roberts miscue
Cardiff: could have brought on Beyer & moved Charlie to LB to plug the gaps
Tonight: maybe Charlie on for Tella in last few minutes?

Nothing wrong with our play, entertaining to watch, but nothing wrong in closing shop for the last 5 mins to seal the points

Is it entertaining to watch?

Frustrating... yep
Lacking pretty much any penetration given the amount of possession we have... yep
Naive... yep

Entertaining (with the exception of the first halfs against Huddersfield and Blackpool), I'm not so sure

Much has been made of the possession stats, but ultimately teams are going to be more than happy to let you have the ball if you do nothing with it, then hit you when they do have it. We actually got to Europe on the back of doing just that!

Yes we're 5th, yes we've only lost once this season, yes it's a new team... I get all that, but it's friggin frustrating at times.

Would it have been that hard (given what happened at Cardiff) to stick another CB on for the last 10 minutes to help see the game out??

My main frustration with Kompany is that he doesn’t seem to be very reactive and change tactics/shape when it’s required. In that respect he seems to be as rigid as Dyche was in always playing 442 and continuing to do so even when we were being overrun in midfield. VK just changes like-for-like players and hasn’t really affected the game with his changes so far.

claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:16 am

Kompany is the new Brownhill then, almost everything you say is inaccurate or just plain ********. It is like you crave attention on the internet so just spout nonsense so that someone will talk to you. I actually pity you

You've fallen for it.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:22 am

You've fallen for it.

I know, you kind of live in hope that he might read something one day and learn but I know it is a lost cause and he enjoys being miserable.

Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:21 am

My main frustration with Kompany is that he doesn’t seem to be very reactive and change tactics/shape when it’s required. In that respect he seems to be as rigid as Dyche was in always playing 442 and continuing to do so even when we were being overrun in midfield. VK just changes like-for-like players and hasn’t really affected the game with his changes so far.

substitute dyche for Kompany in the first sentence. We now have another flavour of boring football where we don't score goals and end up with dropped points from good positions.
I blame the fans they are so fickle and make the manager be conservative - for the marxist morons on here that's the verb not the political party.