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Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:14 pm
by Bazer1882
Last weeks Premier league teams consisted of
English players 70
Non English 150
Spanish 15
Brazilian 14
Portugese 14
French 10
Scottish 7
Belguim 6
Argentinean 6
German 6
Welsh 5
American5
Others 62
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:16 pm
by 4midable
1 - manager
2 - players
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:17 pm
by Lancasterclaret
I'm a citizen of "Others" and we reckon we've a great chance this year
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:17 pm
by martin_p
I don’t think we’ll win the World Cup, but I’m not sure what it’s got to do with the stats you quote.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:18 pm
by martin_p
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:17 pm
I'm a citizen of "Others" and we reckon we've a great chance this year
Get back to your own country!
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:22 pm
by NottsClaret
martin_p wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:17 pm
I don’t think we’ll win the World Cup, but I’m not sure what it’s got to do with the stats you quote.
I thought the same. There's 70 players to choose from there, playing in the richest, possibly strongest league in the world. Unless you think the 71st best player is forced to play in the Championship 'cos of all those foreigners when he should be leading us to world cup glory, I don't see a problem.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:32 pm
by Lancasterclaret
martin_p wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:18 pm
Get back to your own country!
I'm an economic migrant, leeching of all you hard working indigenous people by working full time and paying my taxes
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:10 pm
by boatshed bill
Because we are crap?
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:28 pm
by bobinho
Because we will spend far Too much time trying not to concede than actually trying to assert our (what should be) attacking authority on the game.
We will be lucky to get out the group, and when we eventually go out to the first decent team we meet we will announce the whole adventure as a step in the right direction. We will continue to do that for every tournament coming up until this generation of attacking players are drawing their pensions.
Or, to shorten it to two words…. Gareth Southgate.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:28 pm
by KRBFC
Because the team isn't good enough. Irish football is all Irish players, doesn't help them, whats your point?
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:29 pm
by corporal jones
We are def not crap-but we lack belief and that comes from the manager which is why we bottled it against Croatia and Italy. We took the lead early in both games and **** the bed because we did not believe it was going to happen. We panicked and lost our way where as the opposition waited their moment and took it-because they knew they could do it. If Fergie or Jose had been manager we win both those games.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:35 pm
by box_of_frogs
1. Gareth Southgate.
2. Gareth Southgate.
3. Gareth Southgate.
Etc etc
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:42 pm
by claret2018
Here’s my prediction, England will win the World Cup.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:52 pm
by brexit
More chance of winning the Women's World cup next year.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:54 pm
by Devils_Advocate
With Southgate in charge we've got a real chance but there's another 3 or 4 brilliant teams as good as us so whilst we've a decent chance its more likely not to happen.
Id be very surprised if we dont make last 4 as we seem to be peaking at just the right time however in terms of judging us I would suggest the following
- Anything less than reaching the last 8 is failure and Southgate has to go
- QF's is meeting expectations
- Semi's will be a very good result
- Winning the thing will be out of this world and make Southgate one of the all time legends of English football
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:06 pm
by tarkys_ears
claret2018 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:42 pm
Here’s my prediction, England will win the World Cup.
I assume you're referring to the ladies.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:09 pm
by claret2018
We got to the semis last time and the final of the last Euros, I can’t believe people think we don’t have a very good chance.
Forget the utterly meaningless friendlies we’ve played since the Euros (I include the nations league in this) as they’ve never been a barometer of how good or bad an England side will be when it matters.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:20 pm
by Dougall
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:54 pm
as we seem to be peaking at just the right time
Really?!
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:43 pm
by Rowls
Why we won't win the World Cup
Reason 1
Gareth Southgate
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:51 pm
by BigChaCha
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 4:57 pm
by Bosscat
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:44 am
by Claretitus
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:54 pm
With Southgate in charge we've got a real chance but there's another 3 or 4 brilliant teams as good as us so whilst we've a decent chance its more likely not to happen.
Id be very surprised if we dont make last 4 as we seem to be peaking at just the right time however in terms of judging us I would suggest the following
- Anything less than reaching the last 8 is failure and Southgate has to go
- QF's is meeting expectations
- Semi's will be a very good result
- Winning the thing will be out of this world and make Southgate one of the all time legends of English football
Is this post for real? Peaking at the right time? The recent Nations League results/performances prove the opposite. And Southgate? Really? His obsession with primarily fearing the opposition, will undoubtedly mean boring draws with Wales and USA, and a tough draw and exit in the round of 16. The guy is clueless.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:49 am
by bumba
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:54 pm
With Southgate in charge we've got a real chance but there's another 3 or 4 brilliant teams as good as us so whilst we've a decent chance its more likely not to happen.
Id be very surprised if we dont make last 4 as we seem to be peaking at just the right time however in terms of judging us I would suggest the following
- Anything less than reaching the last 8 is failure and Southgate has to go
- QF's is meeting expectations
- Semi's will be a very good result
- Winning the thing will be out of this world and make Southgate one of the all time legends of English football
QF isn't meeting expectations, Southgate has said since he got the job that everything he did was building towards winning Qatar 2022 so anything less than winning the world cup is failure.
We will be lucky to get out of a very easy group
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:51 am
by superdimitri
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:17 pm
I'm a citizen of "Others" and we reckon we've a great chance this year
Are they like the 'rest of the world' team in the old PES games? If so I vote for those guys too.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:54 am
by Top Claret
Poor defence and a poor manager who is out of his depth at the highest level as proved in the Euros final when the opposition manager got the better of him
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:26 am
by Swizzlestick
Took the team further in a major tournament than any manager since Sir Alf Ramsey, beating Germany along the way, but still ‘out of his depth at the highest level’.
Fair enough if you don’t like Southgate but don’t just post nonsense.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:20 am
by jdrobbo
The reason we won’t win the World Cup is that Brazil or Argentina will.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:21 am
by martin_p
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 3:54 pm
With Southgate in charge we've got a real chance but there's another 3 or 4 brilliant teams as good as us so whilst we've a decent chance its more likely not to happen.
Id be very surprised if we dont make last 4 as we seem to be peaking at just the right time however in terms of judging us I would suggest the following
- Anything less than reaching the last 8 is failure and Southgate has to go
- QF's is meeting expectations
- Semi's will be a very good result
- Winning the thing will be out of this world and make Southgate one of the all time legends of English football
This is a far better standard cast than some of your recent attempts which have been a bit obvious. 7/10.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:29 am
by Lancasterclaret
I don't mind Southgate, think he'd done a brilliant job to turn us into genuine challengers, but I think this might be a tournament too far for him
He's still persisting with Maguire, and we look like a side playing slightly below its potential, and as we've only ever won one world cup, and that at home, rather suggests we won't win it
But ever hopeful!
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:30 am
by Spijed
Swizzlestick wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 7:26 am
Took the team further in a major tournament than any manager since Sir Alf Ramsey, beating Germany along the way, but still ‘out of his depth at the highest level’.
Fair enough if you don’t like Southgate but don’t just post nonsense.
You can still be out of your depth getting to a final.
OGS got Man u. to a European final (and 2nd in the league) but I bet nobody would ever want him to be our manager.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:33 am
by Newcastleclaret93
Let’s be honest the reason we won’t win it is because we don’t have any world class CBs and our midfield is not particularly strong in the CDM role. (When I say not strong, I mean they are too similar, we don’t have anyone in that role that can thread a pass or create anything).
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:51 am
by dsr
Claretitus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 6:44 am
Is this post for real? Peaking at the right time? The recent Nations League results/performances prove the opposite. And Southgate? Really? His obsession with primarily fearing the opposition, will undoubtedly mean boring draws with Wales and USA, and a tough draw and exit in the round of 16. The guy is clueless.
No, it's not for real. It's by Devil's Advocate.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:51 am
by Lambo
Gareth Southgate
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:10 am
by Swizzlestick
Spijed wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:30 am
You can still be out of your depth getting to a final.
OGS got Man u. to a European final (and 2nd in the league) but I bet nobody would ever want him to be our manager.
By this logic, every single England manager other than Alf Ramsey have been out of their depth. It's ridiculous terminology to use for a manager that took us to a successive semi-final and final in major tournaments. If you don't like his football, or him as a person, fair enough, but come on.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:26 am
by Buxtonclaret
Reel 'em in, DA.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:42 am
by 1882Clarets1882
It's Brazil for me. They have the players and I do think the heat will be a factor.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:43 am
by Darthlaw
A few points on here I agree with, particularly Southgate's tendency to set up not to lose to the opposition, rather than to go out and beat them. Also his move from picking players in form, to players 'who have never let England down' (Maguire
) has got the media turning on him.
Positives are Bellingham is in red hot form, Foden and Grealish look to be hitting a nice patch at the right time (if GS picks them) and Kane is doing what Kane does.
Negatives is the defence look very shaky (at best), Pickford still looks suspect and we're heading in to the tournament in very average form.
In the USA and Wales there are two teams desperate to beat us, which could even result in us not getting out of the group. Even then, the draw would suggest we're likely to bump into Argentina which I think would see us out.
As Lancs has said, I think this may be one tournament too far for Southgate.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:47 am
by Roosterbooster
Could we win the World Cup?
Yes
Will we win the World Cup?
Doubtful
Is Southgate too cautious?
Absolutely
Do we make use of our best players?
Not at all
Is jdrobbo right?
I reckon so. Brazil or Argentina for me
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:57 am
by Gunfury
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Thu Oct 13, 2022 1:17 pm
I'm a citizen of "Others" and we reckon we've a great chance this year
Bloody “others”,coming over here,posting on our message boards…
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:24 am
by Woodleyclaret
Muppet Southgate who things Mings and Maguire are defenders.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:46 am
by Venkys4eva
...Because they are s***
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:14 pm
by ClaretPete001
I think fast paced, high press type PL football doesn't work in tournament football; particularly, in hot countries.
We don't have the kind of players that can manage the tempo of a game like Modric, Xavi or Iniesta.
The closest we have is Grealish who often can't get into the team because, frankly, they don't seem to have the football brain to go with their ability.
The culture of the country prefers hard work and commitment above intelligence. We have a low productivity economy and we have a low productivity football team. We will get to the quarter finals and then fall to a world class thinking footballer like Luca Modric who will slowly dismantle all the hard work, effort and sweat with the ease of a schoolboy picking the wings off a fly.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:20 pm
by distortiondave
We can afford to go defensive if our front 3 are Kane, Foden and Grealish with Bellingham part of whatever midfield we have.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:23 pm
by Steve1956
Because Germany will.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:24 pm
by Dougall
distortiondave wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:20 pm
We can afford to go defensive if our front 3 are Kane, Foden and Grealish with Bellingham part of whatever midfield we have.
That'll fox Johnny Foreigner, DD - if our front 3 is actually 4!!!
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:29 pm
by distortiondave
Dougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:24 pm
That'll fox Johnny Foreigner, DD - if our front 3 is actually 4!!!
I meant Bellingham as part of the midfield behind the front three!
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:03 pm
by timshorts
dsr wrote: ↑Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:51 am
No, it's not for real. It's by Devil's Advocate.
Quite a lot of posts on this thread I would have attributed to devil's advocate.
Perhaps you should concentrate on getting out of the group stage first.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 5:44 pm
by NRC
I've considered the OP's hypothesis for a few minutes now. My conclusion is that there is very, very little correlation between the data point and the assertion of its effect. It's can be torn apart in so many ways, so my thinking is that the OP is fishing to start a debate on "brexiting" football and employing a more stringent nationalistic policy to permitted players. Judging by the way the thread has actually gone, which is to discuss the chances of winning rather than the ratio of English players in the PL, his fishing expedition has failed
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:21 pm
by Bin Ont Turf
Not bothered about winning this one.
It's not a World Cup tournament it's a fraud and a joke, which is what supposed high end football is now anyway.
Re: Why we won't win the World Cup
Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:48 pm
by tiger76
Can't see England getting anywhere near winning this one. sure, we got to the last 4 in 2018, but that was mainly due to a favourable draw and also the surprising underperformance of the usual suspects notably the South American nations who will surely fare better in the hot weather climate Qatar will offer.
Simply England aren't good enough in defence or able to retain possession enough to control a game when it matters, as the poor displays against Croatia and Italy aptly demonstrate.
The big opportunity was in the recent Euro's where home advantage gave England their best chance for many years, and even then we couldn't get over the line.
