summitclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:25 pm

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/n ... -kick-off/

A bunch of roadworks and a bit of corporate wankery in the ground.
Nothing to see here.

Well there's going to be a year of absolute bedlam whilst the roadworks to replace the roundabout are done. Let's hope it's put out to a private contractor on liquidated damages and not done by LCC themselves. If it's anything it's the shambles at Rosegrove lights God help us.

So in short nothing much going on other than a tidy up, and all for 6m+

Tidy the centre up, get better business about, improve the transport links and the rest should follow suit.

A lick of paint here and there and some half arsed traffic alterations will do diddly squat to the income of the town.

Bit harsh MACCA.
They finally brought better links to Manchester Road and some of the entrances into town have been improved, loads of develop around weavers triangle. Pioneer is on its way.

Taking out the roundabout and underpass aren't small jobs. Stick of dynamite under the Kierby Hotel and I think they'll have made some improvements.

MACCA wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:26 pm

So in short nothing much going on other than a tidy up, and all for 6m+

Tidy the centre up, get better business about, improve the transport links and the rest should follow suit.

A lick of paint here and there and some half arsed traffic alterations will do diddly squat to the income of the town.

The shops in the town centre are abysmal, perhaps a handful worth looking in.
I actually don’t even like walking through it

I always wonder why the council give planning permission to cheap tacky shop fronts and don’t try to standardise in some way.

I don't get the negativity , a bit of foresight is required. This is a very exciting project and will greatly improve this part of town as well as making it safer on match days.
I wish some people would move with the times instead of complaining about things like the necessary disruptions. What do they want to do , wake up one morning and look outside at a new environment that has sprouted up overnight?

Anyone know what's going on at the building at the bottom of Manchester Road that's had cladding up for quite a while?

Leisure wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:36 pm

Anyone know what's going on at the building at the bottom of Manchester Road that's had cladding up for quite a while?

Another coffee shop apparently

Leisure wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:36 pm

Anyone know what's going on at the building at the bottom of Manchester Road that's had cladding up for quite a while?

Coffee shop

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 7:56 pm

A bunch of roadworks and a bit of corporate wankery in the ground.
Nothing to see here.

that's the spirit

Leisure wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:36 pm

Anyone know what's going on at the building at the bottom of Manchester Road that's had cladding up for quite a while?

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/business ... es-3644778

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:30 pm

I always wonder why the council give planning permission to cheap tacky shop fronts and don’t try to standardise in some way.

Don’t start me off on this. Cheap, tacky shop eyesore fronts are awful. Just shouldn’t be allowed & shop owners should (the building owners not operators) should be forced to maintain them properly.

Oh will miss the roundabout, we've all been round it a few times

We were told about all this some months ago when we were holding meetings about the post-match traffic issues. Wasn't expecting it to happen though.

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:37 pm

Another coffee shop apparently

Just what Burnley needs.

Replacing roundabouts with traffic lights very rarely improves traffic flow.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:14 pm

We were told about all this some months ago when we were holding meetings about the post-match traffic issues. Wasn't expecting it to happen though.

What conclusions did you read from said meeting?

Typo. What conclusions did you reach to said meeting?

They can't clean up the culvert. It'll lose all its charm.

How is replacing the roundabout with traffic lights going to improve matters?

I suppose that question is for a qualified road planner to answer.
As a driver that roundabout has always been troublesome , especially going in the direction of the Turf at any busy time of the day

Murger wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:45 pm

How is replacing the roundabout with traffic lights going to improve matters?

I wonder if with the room they’ll save from getting rid of the roundabout and the subway if they’ll have a lane permanently open filtering traffic from Yorkshire st towards Tesco without the traffic lights affecting it. I expect that might improve the flow of traffic

Think you’re missing the point that the changes are to improve the route for cyclists and pedestrians, not drivers. I don’t know the area but it’s easier for pedestrians to cross the street at traffic lights than at a roundabout.

dougcollins wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 9:51 pm

Just what Burnley needs.

Just like the Paddy Power bookies next to Oddies! Unfortunately a poor town gets the shops it can support. If it could support better shops then they would come, we get bookies, charity shops, poundlands and money laundering nail bars, take always and barbers!

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:51 pm

Think you’re missing the point that the changes are to improve the route for cyclists and pedestrians, not drivers. I don’t know the area but it’s easier for pedestrians to cross the street at traffic lights than at a roundabout.

Of course it's obvious that it's to improve safety for non drivers , that's what it says it's being done for. Anyone who also drives on that roundabout will know that there is a gridlock at busy times so to say it's not for driver safety as well is wrong

Would love to see the Kirby knocked down and a large pedestrian route linking the Turf with the town.

Somebody needs to ensure that the Sean Dyche Way signs remain in situ.

I can’t see traffic lights improving traffic flow at all there. That’ll be a total waste of £6m. Well, it’ll look new for a while. The culvert does look a mess right now.

Complete waste of tax payer’s cash.

The gridlock is mainly due to traffic backing up from the Wellington lights/the pedestrian crossing at the Brickmakers.

Sean Dyche's Watch wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:37 pm

Another coffee shop apparently

Barista - higher prices than coffee shop

Broken paving replaced!?
Better LED street lighting!?
Wider pavements for matchday walking!?
Benches for old people to sit on?!
Trees!!!!!

Down with that sort of thing.

Goody1975 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:10 pm

Replacing roundabouts with traffic lights very rarely improves traffic flow.

There's nothing wrong with the traffic flows, this scheme is designed to be "pedestrian friendly" so expect more congestion.

It certainly isn't the worst junction for congestion but it has its issues. As has already been mentioned a lot of the problems stem from Yorkshire St backing up from the lights further down that road.
Anyone claiming traffic lights don't improve traffic flow compared to a roundabout is just plain wrong.
With a roundabout it is totally left to the natural flow of the traffic and this can lead to one road becoming dominant which leaves the subsequent roads backing up waiting for fewer gaps. This is why traffic lights were installed at the Gannow roundabouts to mitigate this.
With traffic lights the junction can be managed. Sensors in the road judge traffic flow and lights can change to give each input road a fair go so unlike a roundabout one road doesn't become dominant. It can also be managed remotely and changed if needed.
The only issue then is sheer weight of traffic....n which case there really is no perfect solution.

As for the cosmetic changes. You have to be either blind or very resistant to change if you don't think they are long overdue. The subway is a disgrace for starters. Any visitor that comes via bus and has to use that must seriously wonder what theyve come to. It's embarrassingly disgusting.

The same people whinging about Burnley’s town centre are people who probably order everything off Amazon because it’s cheaper and drink cans at home because they can have a pint at 1/4 the price

Nothing improves unless people support things

They need to knock the monstrosity that is the market hall down and build a shopping centre incorporating the shops adjacent and put it all under cover, like what they have down the road. Then get rid of the Kierby.

A great initiative because along with the various bars now heading down Yorkshire Street it makes that whole walk to the Turf more pleasant and thats the part of the town many of us who live away see the most of.

The one thing I’d point out is that the scheme will allow turning up Centenary Way from the Thompson Centre Car Park. That will add to the congestion at the top roundabout (my escape route) so I would expect the queues going up Centenary Way to become as bad as those going up Manchester Road after games.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:51 pm

Think you’re missing the point that the changes are to improve the route for cyclists and pedestrians, not drivers. I don’t know the area but it’s easier for pedestrians to cross the street at traffic lights than at a roundabout.

The government have been giving lots of money out to towns and cities for improving cycle lanes.
Clever councils improve the area at the same time with the money.

Agreed with the comments about the Keirby. What an eyesore that building is.

Leisure wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 09, 2022 8:36 pm

Anyone know what's going on at the building at the bottom of Manchester Road that's had cladding up for quite a while?

I think you are referring to the red lion Pete. Flats/apartments I have heard…

Murger wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:25 am

Agreed with the comments about the Keirby. What an eyesore that building is.

It’s a shocker alright.

Whoever gave the go ahead for the “regeneration” of Burnley town centre in the 60’s and 70’s should be bloody shot.

Just take a look at the types of buildings we had. The boot. The red lion. The swan. The white lion. The bull (became burtons). The other side of the road was pretty much the same. Look at it now. From marks and Spencer’s all the way to the Keirby it’s an absolute disgrace.

I should be pleased about this, instead I’m thinking ffs more ******* roadworks

Anyway, back to the culvert. It’s ready for a spruce up that’s for sure.

They mention they will make it safer.

Can’t help but wonder how it’s currently dangerous…

From 9am to evening the drunks sit on the benches next to home bargains, I'm sure many people feel intimidated walking through the relatively covered from view path towards the Kierby.

The underpass is hardly inviting, my wife informs me she would avoid walking down there even in the day when possible (she's no skrinking violet).

Other than the underpass there are no crossings with lights, other than near St Peters. Often see older people and parents with children waiting ages for gaps to cross. The lightening is poor under the culvert.

Cyclist don't have much protection.

I walk that route 6 times a week, I'm sure I could think of more and the planners obviously have.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:24 am

The government have been giving lots of money out to towns and cities for improving cycle lanes.
Clever councils improve the area at the same time with the money.

I can’t comment on what they’ve done in Burnley but the cycle lanes that they’ve thrown up in and around Bradford, creating a ‘cycle super highway’ through to Leeds are an absolute waste of money. If I’ve seen them used a dozen times in the years they have been there, I’d be surprised.

Massive white elephant that increases congestion and associated pollution. A nice idea if it’s York or somewhere equally flat. If it’s Bradford where in all directions out of it you’re up hill, it’s a stupid bloody idea.

The planners in 70’s were mad as a box of frogs in many towns and cities. Demolishing what would now be celebrated buildings in place of concrete monstrosities.

The twenty teens brigade seem no better - it’s now green spaces in towns and cities when what they’re crying out for are things that will attract people to them, not pleasant spaces for junkies and alcoholics to put off everyone else from visiting.

I can guarantee that the urban dwellings that they’re proposing in Bradford city centre will in ten or so years be more low rent accommodation for the cities undesirables.

Nothing wrong with green spaces and they are greatly appreciated. If there is a problem, then the authorities are to blame for not taking the appropriate action. Get CBOs issued (Asbos) and back them up with prosecutions.

Green spaces in town centres, instead of decent shops, eateries, entertainment venues and bars / clubs?

As Burnley, Bradford is literally a short ride away from mile upon mile of naturally beautiful green spaces. Far nicer than even the most imaginative of town planners could dream up.

Some green space is fine but it needs to be alongside things that will bring custom. When green spaces are the sum product of the town centre, it’s going to lead to towns and cities having fewer visitors than they’re attracting now.

The out of town shopping centres don’t help, unless you’re a big city.

DCWat wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:40 pm

I can’t comment on what they’ve done in Burnley but the cycle lanes that they’ve thrown up in and around Bradford, creating a ‘cycle super highway’ through to Leeds are an absolute waste of money. If I’ve seen them used a dozen times in the years they have been there, I’d be surprised.

Massive white elephant that increases congestion and associated pollution. A nice idea if it’s York or somewhere equally flat. If it’s Bradford where in all directions out of it you’re up hill, it’s a stupid bloody idea.

The planners in 70’s were mad as a box of frogs in many towns and cities. Demolishing what would now be celebrated buildings in place of concrete monstrosities.

The twenty teens brigade seem no better - it’s now green spaces in towns and cities when what they’re crying out for are things that will attract people to them, not pleasant spaces for junkies and alcoholics to put off everyone else from visiting.

I can guarantee that the urban dwellings that they’re proposing in Bradford city centre will in ten or so years be more low rent accommodation for the cities undesirables.

It was the Bradford one where I first found out. Them hills are bad enough driving up never mind cycling up them.
Apparently got over 100m to install them.

They have obviously forced them in to get the funding for other things as well.

Thing is, we are years behind in stuff like cycle lanes and we need many more

So what if its cycling up a hill?

Up here its essentially all hills unless you are heading towards the coast and its packed with cyclists

DCWat wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:02 pm

Green spaces in town centres, instead of decent shops, eateries, entertainment venues and bars / clubs?

Where did I say that green spaces should be at the expense of shops etc.

No one is talking about bulldozing town and city centres. Green spaces tend to aid footfall and bring families in during the warmer months, but they have to be and feel safe places where people want to spend their time, and not another hole for the local alcoholics and druggies.