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The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:05 pm
by Billy Balfour
I am not a fan of our National Anthem. I would rather have something uplifting. My choice would be Jerusalem. What would you opt for if you had a choice?

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:06 pm
by Vegas Claret
The best anthem is the Italian one, up tempo and uplifting. Ours is dreary in comparison

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:07 pm
by yTib
the theme tune from coronation street.

much more uplifting.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:08 pm
by Spijed
Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:06 pm
The best anthem is the Italian one, up tempo and uplifting. Ours is dreary in comparison
Or a good one like the French.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:09 pm
by Billy Balfour
Vegas Claret wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:06 pm
The best anthem is the Italian one, up tempo and uplifting. Ours is dreary in comparison
The same with La Marseillaise. The US anthem is also an uplifting tune.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:12 pm
by Vegas Claret
Spijed wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:08 pm
Or a good one like the French.
yes that's the other notable one - both up tempo

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:12 pm
by claretburns
I vow to thee my country

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:12 pm
by Rileybobs
Either Elgar’s Land of Hope and Glory or Meatloaf’s Bat out of Hell.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:15 pm
by TheFamilyCat
Rileybobs wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:12 pm
Either Elgar’s Land of Hope and Glory or Meatloaf’s Bat out of Hell.
Bat Out Of Hell gets my vote

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:16 pm
by aclaretinstevenage
Irish, Welsh and Scottish all better than the English (British) anthem especially at sporting events mainly I think because more of their fans actually sing the thing!

France and Italy probably have the best though.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:16 pm
by Milltown1882
As it is, great anthem.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:18 pm
by JohnDearyMe
What anthem was played for the English athletes at the recent Commonwealth games? I know they sometimes play Jerusalem at the cricket which is a far better tune

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:22 pm
by Devils_Advocate
I dont mind the Scouser version of it even if it is very similar to Iran's national anthem

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:23 pm
by wilks_bfc
I’ve never understood why GSTK is the English national anthem when the monarchy is for Great Britain.

It’s fine for any GB team ,such as at the Olympics, but the all 4 home nations should have their own imo

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:50 pm
by Bosscat
Highway to Hell ... AC/DC

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:51 pm
by Milltown1882
JohnDearyMe wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:18 pm
What anthem was played for the English athletes at the recent Commonwealth games? I know they sometimes play Jerusalem at the cricket which is a far better tune
They don’t, they play it before/as the players come out. National anthem is always the national anthem.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:51 pm
by Rowls
God Save the King is a great anthem. Anyone saying otherwise is clearly not singing it passionately enough.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:56 pm
by HahaYeah
National anthems are a bit passe.

Just have this at every game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AjkUyX0rVw

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:57 pm
by Croydon Claret
It's a little odd that the National Anthem of the United Kingdom is the same anthem as one of the member nations.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:59 pm
by Cirrus_Minor
It's awful and it is the British national anthem. England should have its awn.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:02 pm
by Bosscat
Rowls wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:51 pm
God Save the King is a great anthem. Anyone saying otherwise is clearly not singing it passionately enough.
Especially the 4th & 5th verses 😉

"Lord grant that Marshal Wade,
May by thy mighty aid,
Victory be holy made.
God save the King

May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush,
God Save the King."

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:07 pm
by AlargeClaret
Now the Queen has passed I’d very much like a Jerusalem or Land of Hope Glory . But let’s face it , it’s not gonna change in King Charles’s reign for sure .

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:08 pm
by AlargeClaret
Now the Queen has passed I’d very much like a Jerusalem or Land of Hope Glory . But let’s face it , it’s not gonna change in King Charles’s reign for sure . Though God save the Queen was a great Anthem when roared out .

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:15 pm
by Roger Mellie
I think Slades Merry Christmas would unify the nation..

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:24 pm
by bobinho
Jerusalem for England.

GSTK for GB events.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:10 pm
by Stalbansclaret
Yes..surely as a group people with a local attachment to "dark satanic mills" we should all get behind jerusalem ? Have any more stirring words ever been penned than :
Bring me my bow of burning gold
Bring me my arrows of desire
Bring me my spear .Oh clouds unfold.
Bring me my chariot of fire"

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:22 pm
by timshorts
King Charles recognises that it is not necessarily a good thing to have anything too jingoistic, so that probably rules out two of his favourite composers, parry and Elgar.

As a country we are pretty doomed, so let's go for some joy division.
New dawn fades? That would be appropriate every two years at tournament time.
Gove, gove will tear us apart again.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:23 pm
by Volvoclaret
Billy Connolly got it right...theme tune from the Archers. All together now...tum ti tum; tum ti tum...........

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:12 pm
by dougcollins
Highway to Hell.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:23 pm
by houseboy
Volvoclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:23 pm
Billy Connolly got it right...theme tune from the Archers. All together now...tum ti tum; tum ti tum...........
Ha ha. You got that in before me. Great sketch by him talking about us being lapped at the opening ceremony. And he mentioned that it is terribly racist toward the Scots.

‘We are Monrovia and we don’t give a f*ck’. Comedy gold.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:36 pm
by Bosscat
Volvoclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 9:23 pm
Billy Connolly got it right...theme tune from the Archers. All together now...tum ti tum; tum ti tum...........
🤣🤣🤣👍

Had forgotten that Vc excellent 😁

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:36 pm
by boatshed bill
Queen "We Are The Champions" terrific tune.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:51 pm
by Lancasterclaret
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPhXdwhQoE

Not only is the Welsh national anthem better than ours, but the unofficial one is an absolute banger, even though I don't have the slightest clue about what they are singing about

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:57 pm
by jdrobbo
When you’re smmmiiiiilllliiiinnnngggggggg…..
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Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:58 pm
by Bosscat
Lancasterclaret wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:51 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emPhXdwhQoE

Not only is the Welsh national anthem better than ours, but the unofficial one is an absolute banger, even though I don't have the slightest clue about what they are singing about
I always thought they sang

"My Hen layed a haddock on top of a tree"

"Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi"

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:02 pm
by Lancasterclaret
Bosscat wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 10:58 pm
I always thought they sang

"My Hen layed a haddock on top of a tree"

"Mae hen wlad fy nhadau yn annwyl i mi"
Its probably about hanging Englishmen from the walls of Cricceth Castle, but its so good that I wouldn't give a s**t*

*bit like "Flower of Scotland", another banger

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2022 11:05 pm
by BurnleyFC
Surely Jerusalem should be the national anthem of Israel?

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:21 am
by atlantalad
It’s got to be:

Don’t look back in anger.
🎶 🎶 🎶

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:45 am
by IanMcL
Billy Connolly recommends, the theme from the Archers.

Why do people actually suggest old Victorian hymns or other music written in the 19th century, usually depicting Empire?

Bizarre!

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:34 am
by HunterST_BFC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xsv9iZ ... BillyBraggFor Qatar
Billy Bragg

Genius lyrics "Stop playing with yourselves in hard currency hotels
I look like Robert De Niro, I drive a Mitsubishi Zero"

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:35 am
by Corky
As an atheist and a republican, god save the king frankly does nothing for me. And I would agree with those that have already mentioned it that it does seem strange that we do not have our own distinct English anthem.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:36 am
by Spijed
Rowls wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 7:51 pm
God Save the King is a great anthem. Anyone saying otherwise is clearly not singing it passionately enough.
You might catch a few.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:47 am
by pureclaret
sweat caroline most people can sing it

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:57 am
by Bosscat
pureclaret wrote:
Tue Nov 22, 2022 8:47 am
sweat caroline most people can sing it
I've met her ...

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:01 am
by evensteadiereddie
AlargeClaret wrote:
Mon Nov 21, 2022 8:07 pm
Now the Queen has passed I’d very much like a Jerusalem or Land of Hope Glory . But let’s face it , it’s not gonna change in King Charles’s reign for sure .
Slightly off topic but the use of "has passed" instead of "has died" still irritates me.
I suppose we're "sorry for Her family's loss" too...

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:12 am
by martin_p
I think Jerusalem is perfect for the Brexit generation.

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:21 am
by Top Claret
I thought this thread was about the BBC not showing the opening ceremony

Title would have probably read National Embarrassment

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:37 am
by evensteadiereddie
Who would have been embarrassed?

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:54 am
by Top Claret
evensteadiereddie wrote:
Tue Nov 22, 2022 9:37 am
Who would have been embarrassed?

We should be that the BBC now censor what we can and can't watch, something as trivial as a WC opening ceremony

Re: The National Dirge?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:04 am
by evensteadiereddie
So the BBC decide an opening ceremony isn't worth showing and that's "censorship"?
The Qatari culture stinks and our national broadcaster, in line with public opinion, I'd wager, has left it to those so interested in an opening ceremony such as this to find it on YouTube or wherever.