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Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:49 pm
by basil6345789
Need to get the trains running reliably again so we can get about more. Just seen the latest offer - 8 percent plus. That's good considering everything. Hope they settle - want to go to Hull.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:52 pm
by Zlatan
8%…?
It’s 4% this year and then 4% next year. That’s not 8%
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:03 pm
by NewClaret
Can honestly say I’ve never had a 4% payrise in my life (outside of a job change or promotion), never mind two on the trot!
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:03 pm
by 775claret
I'm sorry but this is a football forum.
England have just waltzed into the World Cup quarter finals and Burnley are top of the league.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:06 pm
by Bosscat
775claret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:03 pm
I'm sorry but this is a football forum.
England have just waltzed into the World Cup quarter finals and Burnley are top of the league.
775c the children need to let off steam ... let them have a few minutes before bedtime its School tomorrow
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:15 pm
by Wokingclaret
Zlatan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:52 pm
8%…?
It’s 4% this year and then 4% next year. That’s not 8%
Hmmm that's 3% more per annum than my company has offered and we're not striking
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:16 pm
by Zlatan
Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:15 pm
Hmmm that's 3% more per annum than my company has offered and we're not striking
Perhaps you should… but as stated above, it’s a footy forum. Apologies for correcting the misleading statement
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:18 pm
by AmbleClaret
basil6345789 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:49 pm
Need to get the trains running reliably again so we can get about more. Just seen the latest offer - 8 percent plus. That's good considering everything. Hope they settle - want to go to Hull.
Walk.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:25 pm
by Claret3495
8% over two years.. Also, none of the other asks were met, such as no driver only trains and closure of all ticket offices, so it's been rejected by the union and the strikes are to go ahead as it stands
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:26 pm
by boatshed bill
basil6345789 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:49 pm
- 8 percent plus. That's good considering everything. .
Doesn't that depend on the starting figure?
8% of next to F all isn't very much, is it?
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:30 pm
by Claret3495
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:26 pm
Doesn't that depend on the starting figure?
8% of next to F all isn't very much, is it?
Don't get them started, the "train drivers shouldn't be paid more than nurses" brigade will be along to have you
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:34 pm
by boatshed bill
Claret3495 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:30 pm
Don't get them started, the "train drivers shouldn't be paid more than nurses" brigade will be along to have you
Let's be honest.
Anyone in full time employment in the 6th biggest economy in the world should never need to use a food bank.
I'm reliably informed that some nurses do.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:37 pm
by Claret3495
boatshed bill wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:34 pm
Let's be honest.
Anyone in full time employment in the 6th biggest economy in the world should never need to use a food bank.
I'm reliably informed that some nurses do.
You're absolutely right, and sadly I'm quite sure that lots of the railway staff will be using them too
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:41 pm
by Taffy on the wing
Zlatan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:52 pm
8%…?
It’s 4% this year and then 4% next year. That’s not 8%
What's the current inflation rate?........sorry, they'll have to try harder than that.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:43 pm
by bumba
I'm on 13% over 2 years, don't think I'll strike
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:44 pm
by fidelcastro
A national strike is coming.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:46 pm
by Wokingclaret
Zlatan wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:16 pm
Perhaps you should… but as stated above, it’s a footy forum. Apologies for correcting the misleading statement
Yes it's a footy forum. but members of said forum are missing attending games because of the strikes.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:25 pm
by AmbleClaret
Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 10:46 pm
Yes it's a footy forum. but members of said forum are missing attending games because of the strikes.
And working people are struggling to heat their homes and feed their kids.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:49 pm
by Billyblah
The entire rail network is a dysfunctional mess. Northern Rail lost their franchise years ago because they were so crap....and yet they're still operating. I stand at Preston rail station waiting in the hope of a train that isn't cancelled and I'm literally watching the "how many men does it take to change a lightbulb" routine as maintenance staff (Railtrack??) go about their daily routine in a laughable and unsupervised manner .
....and bringing it back to football....we have a NW mini league in the Championship....but we'd struggle to get to those grounds by rail....lack of crew, fault with the points, leaves on the track.....name your excuse.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:52 pm
by mybloodisclaret
Quite weird some of the response on this thread, there are so many none football topics on this board and we are making light of something that impacts upon most of us who use public transport, especially when watching the Clarets for me. I support those who strike, my pay is now down over 30% since Cameron / May and whoever else fancied a do came to power.
I don't work on the rails by the way.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:57 pm
by Devils_Advocate
If you dont like workers striking go and do the job yourself for the pay thats on offer. If you're not prepared to do the work yourself them either shut the f*ck up or get behind the workers to get them the pay they deserve
At the end of the day if their labour wasn't valuable you wouldn't miss it so when they do strike and you do miss it ask yourself should they really be getting paid a wage that reflects your loss when they aren't there
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:05 am
by Wokingclaret
AmbleClaret wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:25 pm
And working people are struggling to heat their homes and feed their kids.
Why are you having a go at me, you don't know my circumstances and before you ask: I have'nt been offered 4% and no compulsory redundancy at any time over the last 10 years. Nor am I spoiling anybody's time off at the weekend.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:08 am
by elwaclaret
Lecturers, Care Workers, Nurses, Transport workers etc. have been screwed into the ground for the last ten years… that is why some of the demands seem so high now. The Government has been steadily downgrading public workers and are now reaping what they sawed. We cannot have any kind of services when in every public service workers’ moral is on the floor. 20-30% increase claims may sound outrageous, they aren’t. There is years of back pay ad false promises included.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:14 am
by Wokingclaret
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:57 pm
If you dont like workers striking go and do the job yourself for the pay thats on offer. If you're not prepared to do the work yourself them either shut the f*ck up or get behind the workers to get them the pay they deserve
At the end of the day if their labour wasn't valuable you wouldn't miss it so when they do strike and you do miss it ask yourself should they really be getting paid a wage that reflects your loss when they aren't there
Hmmm
How much do train drivers earn UK?
The train driver salary in 2022 is around £59,864/yr, but it can be significantly higher for people who choose to do overtime work, especially on Sundays.26 Jul 2022
But yes I support the general workers
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:15 am
by Devils_Advocate
Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:05 am
Why are you having a go at me, you don't know my circumstances and before you ask: I have'nt been offered 4% and no compulsory redundancy at any time over the last 10 years. Nor am I spoiling anybody's time off at the weekend.
You likened people struggling to heat their homes with others not being able to attend a game of football. If you're getting paid dogsh*t wages for what you do compared to the cost to live then you've got my full support but dont attack the desperate situation other workers are in because it slightly inconveniences people or because you are in as equally bad situation
We need to unite and fight against the ruling class instead of fighting and tearing each other apart over the scraps they leave behind
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:17 am
by Devils_Advocate
Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:14 am
Hmmm
How much do train drivers earn UK?
The train driver salary in 2022 is around £59,864/yr, but it can be significantly higher for people who choose to do overtime work, especially on Sundays.26 Jul 2022
But yes I support the general workers
Its not the train drivers striking but the lower paid support work that keeps things operating. You sound like someone who works hard and still struggles but you seem to have your ire aimed in completely the wrong direction
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:18 am
by Wokingclaret
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:15 am
You likened people struggling to heat their homes with others not being able to attend a game of football. I
No I did not.
I was responding to this was a footy forum and in relation to that it was affecting people attending games
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:18 am
by Wokingclaret
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:17 am
Its not the train drivers striking but the lower paid support work that keeps things operating. You sound like someone who works hard and still struggles but you seem to have your ire aimed in completely the wrong direction
They are in the mix aren't they
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:21 am
by Wokingclaret
And. as I say I support the general lower paid workers
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:24 am
by Devils_Advocate
Attending football games is a minor inconvenience compared to a worker earning a decent living wage to support their family. As for who is striking and why, maybe you should educate yourself before talking sh*t then asking for my help on the subject you have posted on
As per my previous post if you are working hard and struggling you have my upmost support but you need to understand who the enemy are first before we can win the battle
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:00 am
by Wokingclaret
Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:24 am
Attending football games is a minor inconvenience compared to a worker earning a decent living wage to support their family. As for who is striking and why, maybe you should educate yourself before talking sh*t then asking for my help on the subject you have posted on
As per my previous post if you are working hard and struggling you have my upmost support but you need to understand who the enemy are first before we can win the battle
They RMT have the public over a barrel, that is my issue. If my company strikes, our hard gained customers will take their business elsewhere.
"Attending football games is a minor inconvenience", remind me how much a season ticket is.
I wasn't asking for any help and yes I'm thick
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:28 am
by Zlatan
Wokingclaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:00 am
"Attending football games is a minor inconvenience", remind me how much a season ticket
It’s about 2 Costa coffees a week…
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:10 am
by Pearcey
This is the first pay offer since 2019 so it’s a dreadful offer for workers that kept the railway moving through the pandemic. It’s not just down to pay either. I hope some of you won’t miss ticket offices, guards or on board catering because they want to lose the lot. More people out of work just to bump up the companies profits. How other low earners slag off unions always baffles me.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:32 am
by Lancasterclaret
Apparently if people don't agree to the pay offer, its helping Vladimir Putin
That is the level we are at unfortunately
Everyone uses Public services. everybody needs public services, everyone wants decent and affordable public services
its about time people realised that everyone has to pay for public services
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:33 am
by TheFamilyCat
Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:32 am
Apparently if people don't agree to the pay offer, its helping Vladimir Putin
That is the level we are at unfortunately
Everyone uses Public services. everybody needs public services, everyone wants decent and affordable public services
its about time people realised that everyone has to pay for public services
Unfortunately railways are no longer "public" services.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:35 am
by Lancasterclaret
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:33 am
Unfortunately railways are no longer "public" services.
True!
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:39 am
by Pearcey
TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:33 am
Unfortunately railways are no longer "public" services.
They sort of are to be honest. The DFT have got their claws deep in the companies finances.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:40 am
by Quickenthetempo
At my sisters firm everybody got a £2200 payrise earlier this year so it meant more to the lower paid.
Great idea that's how pay rises should go instead of percentages.
But they then had an 8% rise later to spoil the good work.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:43 am
by Nori1958
I take it that those wanting all these pay rises are happy to pay for them via taxes, prices rises etc.?
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:51 am
by Zlatan
I take it those objecting to pay rises don’t mind the total deterioration of society as long as it doesn’t affect them or their pensions…
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:04 am
by Nori1958
Zlatan wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:51 am
I take it those objecting to pay rises don’t mind the total deterioration of society as long as it doesn’t affect them or their pensions…
The pay rises currently under discussion will affect everyone, if you think it's only people with pensions then iam sorry, you are not seeing the bigger picture, it all has to be paid for, and that will be by you, me, the rich, the poor, workers, pensioners everyone.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:17 am
by Zlatan
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:04 am
The pay rises currently under discussion will affect everyone, if you think it's only people with pensions then iam sorry, you are not seeing the bigger picture, it all has to be paid for, and that will be by you, me,
the rich, the poor, workers, pensioners everyone.
you're right of course, but I think I've highlighted where the problem lies in your post and also where the actual solution comes from. The thing is, and this has always been the case, that the ultra-rich keep finding ways to get the majority of people arguing amongst themselves to enable them to keep taking more assets.
"Look, that
[insert social minority here] is taking your job; money; food; etc what are
you going to do about it?"
When in reality the
[insert social minority here] is only the same as you, me and the vast majority of society just trying to exist and live of the scraps of what the ultra-rich allow us to have.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:20 am
by claretonthecoast1882
If we could fine companies for running late or cancelling at short notice a set figure then we could give the money to the staff on the lower wage.
In Avanti & Transpenine we have probably 2 of the most shocking train companies in Europe
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:24 am
by Pearcey
claretonthecoast1882 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:20 am
If we could fine companies for running late or cancelling at short notice a set figure then we could give the money to the staff on the lower wage.
In Avanti & Transpenine we have probably 2 of the most shocking train companies in Europe
The DFT do penalise firms for poor service. They also have rewards if faults are fixed in sufficient time.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:41 am
by Tall Paul
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:43 am
I take it that those wanting all these pay rises are happy to pay for them via taxes, prices rises etc.?
Why can't they be paid for out of the rail operators' profits or directors' salaries and bonuses?
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:58 am
by Boss Hogg
I know some train drivers. They are on very good money.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:02 am
by Quickenthetempo
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:43 am
I take it that those wanting all these pay rises are happy to pay for them via taxes, prices rises etc.?
If one person gets a payrise, then everyone should.
Tesco's prices rise for everyone etc..
MPs have been happy enough to take payrise after payrise.
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:09 am
by Nori1958
Tall Paul wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:41 am
Why can't they be paid for out of the rail operators' profits or directors' salaries and bonuses?
You know, in reality that never happens, so the question remains, is everyone happy to pay higher prices/taxes to pay for these pay rises?
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:10 am
by Nori1958
Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:02 am
If one person gets a payrise, then everyone should.
Tesco's prices rise for everyone etc..
MPs have been happy enough to take payrise after payrise.
Funded how?
Re: Railway workers' pay offer
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:14 am
by Tall Paul
Nori1958 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 05, 2022 9:09 am
You know, in reality that never happens, so the question remains, is everyone happy to pay higher prices/taxes to pay for these pay rises?
Maybe it should start happening and that's what the workers are trying to change by withdrawing their labour.
