Police after Boro

[Nori1958]

He literally said it wasn't representative of all officers, how much balance do you want?

Personally I don't think you can call someone thick and arrogant and have a balanced view of them, whatever you may add to try and justify the comments, and certainly a debate on here won't change their views, so like I said, best to leave it

[AGENT_CLARET]

Stables are at Hutton, but officers join from all over the county.

I know, that's why I said a lot of the officers are from Preston and I didn't say that all are from Preston

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Unfortunately you can't avoid it if you exit the ground from behind the Cricket Club!

Oh yes you can, I’ve never had any bother walking that way after games since the stand was built!

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Probably the stupid bitch that we encountered on a white horse.

After me and my son walked off the cricket field stand we found the entrance at the top of the walkway next to the cricket pitch almost blocked by a coach, after squeezing past the coach we started to walk down towards St Mary's church and then to Aldi carpark where my daughter picks us up, whilst walking past the coaches there was a few teens trying to mouth off towards the Burnley fans between the coaches but instead of policing them onto the coaches the police especially the ones on the horses started to physically push the Burnley fans down the street.

I was behind a lad in his 30's when the woman on the white horse blocked our path on the pavement and screamed like she was on helium keep moving, I shouted up to her how the **** do you expect us to move with a massive horse in my way, she couldn't control this horse and it was jumping all over and she almost come off the back.

The lad infront of me shouted up to her control that mutt of an horse unlike me he didn't swear, she then screamed at him don't you ******* speak to me like that, she then called over another female police officer on a horse and they both charged at him walking down the street, the both crushed him between the two horse's and squashed him into the wall next to the traffic lights.

He fell to the floor and three male police officers jumped on him, he wasn't resisting at all but whilst one held him down the other two repeatedly punched him in the face, I stepped forward and was grabbed by the fattest copper I've ever seen, I told him to take his hand off me and his replay was I'll do what I ******* want, I said this is out of order and these two shouldn't be punching him in the face, fat copper said he's punched a police horse (He didn't I was behind him all the time), my reply was even if he had you don't have a right to punch him back whilst held down, the replay from the two on the ground was from the first one we've not punch him we slapped him, the second one said whilst laughing no it was a closed fist punch not a slap get it right.

Unbelievable lies and actions from the police today, my son filmed a lot of this and along with that and a complaint from me was sent by email to the lancashire constabulary

Has the final of the DNHOTY already taken place?

[claret43]

Yeah I was there I helped up the person that was caught between the 2 police horses one of them being the white horse, they were definitely stood on by the horse, I luckily managed to just get out of the way myself by getting behind the lamp post at the side of church/nuns place, at which point I ran up the street trying to grab my 10 year old lad who had slipped hands with my girlfriend, my other lads also nearly got hit with the horses. It was chaos there needs to be an enquiry into what went on. My lads best friend was also hit with a full can of beer on the side of the head and had a big lump. His dad also witnessed a burnley fan being hit by the police. He said you cant punch him and they said it's an opened handed slap. If any of this goes any further i'm quite happy being a witness to it.

[Leisure]

Oh yes you can, I’ve never had any bother walking that way after games since the stand was built!

How?

[LS7]

Must have been very frightening for children. Enough to stop me taking my 8 year old lad on. We’ll continue going to Man City instead.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

How?

No idea, I’ve always stayed to clap the players off then walk away. Never any issue.

[pushpinpussy]

The Criminal Law Act 1967, the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, Common Law and the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 and the rights and freedoms contained within the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) govern the police use of force.

The police always quote the above legislation in their statements for the reasons they used force on a person but on cross examination at Trial the majority of police officers do not know what the law actually is. They just reel the legislation off as they have been informed to do that to cover their backs.

[Duffer_]

The Criminal Law Act 1967, the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984, Common Law and the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 and the rights and freedoms contained within the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) govern the police use of force.

The police always quote the above legislation in their statements for the reasons they used force on a person but on cross examination at Trial the majority of police officers do not know what the law actually is. They just reel the legislation off as they have been informed to do that to cover their backs.

If they could be bothered to quote your first paragraph, which is directly lifted from the College of Policing, I'm not sure why they wouldn't scroll down a page or so to the Core questions and the link showing the ten key principles governing the use of force by the police service.

But then again, I'm not entirely sure what the point of your post is, other than to remind us of your legal credentials.

[pushpinpussy]

If they could be bothered to quote your first paragraph, which is directly lifted from the College of Policing, I'm not sure why they wouldn't scroll down a page or so to the Core questions and the link showing the ten key principles governing the use of force by the police service.

But then again, I'm not entirely sure what the point of your post is, other than to remind us of your legal credentials.

The point is that the police will try and justify their use of force and the way they behaved by stipulating the said legislation. Unfortunately, they don't really know what it means but they always quote the above in their s.9 statement.

[ksrclaret]

Someone’s been on Google again

[AGENT_CLARET]

Has the final of the DNHOTY already taken place?

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[gawthorpe_view]

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Google reveals it to be Did Not Happen Of The Year.

It's a book apparently.

[Beagle]

Personally I don't think you can call someone thick and arrogant and have a balanced view of them, whatever you may add to try and justify the comments, and certainly a debate on here won't change their views, so like I said, best to leave it

I didn’t call all police officers thick and arrogant. Perhaps it is best that we leave it, at least until someone’s explained the definition of the word ‘balanced’ to you.

[Bosscat]

Someone’s been on Google again

Stop bullying ppp (thats my job )

[arise_sir_charge]

How?

So have I.

However on Saturday a female copper on a white horse lost control of it and caused mayhem, which was then exacerbated by some loud mouth dick head police officer wanting to fight everyone.

What AgentClaret describes is exactly as it happened.

Seems odd that many eye witnesses saw the same thing but you who weren’t there can tell us all differently.

[Lancasterclaret]

So have I.

However on Saturday a female copper on a white horse lost control of it and caused mayhem, which was then exacerbated by some loud mouth dick head police officer wanting to fight everyone.

What AgentClaret describes is exactly as it happened.

Seems odd that many eye witnesses saw the same thing but you who weren’t there can tell us all differently.

I think to be fair he's talking about never having seen any trouble leaving by the Cricket Field entrance

If you leave at the same time as the away fans get to the coaches/cars, then occasionally (very occasionally) it can get a little hairy

[arise_sir_charge]

I think to be fair he's talking about never having seen any trouble leaving by the Cricket Field entrance

If you leave at the same time as the away fans get to the coaches/cars, then occasionally (very occasionally) it can get a little hairy

My post was aimed at PYCB to be honest. I quoted the wrong post.

[Lancasterclaret]

My post was aimed at PYCB to be honest. I quoted the wrong post.

Ah, fair enough!

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

I think to be fair he's talking about never having seen any trouble leaving by the Cricket Field entrance

If you leave at the same time as the away fans get to the coaches/cars, then occasionally (very occasionally) it can get a little hairy

I was

[jrgbfc]

Oh yes you can, I’ve never had any bother walking that way after games since the stand was built!

It could get pretty hairy round there back in the late 90s. We used to sit in the Bob Lord and walk back towards the fire station so were often mistaken for away fans. I was only a kid but can recall for big games my Dad taking us the long way round in order to avoid it.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

It could get pretty hairy round there back in the late 90s. We used to sit in the Bob Lord and walk back towards the fire station so were often mistaken for away fans. I was only a kid but can recall for big games my Dad taking us the long way round in order to avoid it.

Are we talking about the same route? I may have misunderstood which route was initially meant, I am on about leaving the JMU and walking down the side of the cricket field onto the main road and turning right towards the fire station.

[Nori1958]

Are we talking about the same route? I may have misunderstood which route was initially meant, I am on about leaving the JMU and walking down the side of the cricket field onto the main road and turning right towards the fire station.

That's where I thought they are talking about
I haven't used that route since the 70s when I had a season ticket in the cricketfield stand. Bearing in mind the away fans were in that end of the Longside, they must have used the same exit route? But I don't recall any major issues leaving the ground.

[arise_sir_charge]

Are we talking about the same route? I may have misunderstood which route was initially meant, I am on about leaving the JMU and walking down the side of the cricket field onto the main road and turning right towards the fire station.

That route but turning left towards the junction with Yorkshire Street. The issue with the horse was around 50 yards from the junction.

Another oddity on Saturday was a coach directly blocking the gate as you enter Belvedere Road which I’ve never seen before.

[claptrappers_union]

I remember being at a Leeds match at Elland Road, I think was when McCormack scored in the last minute, anyway while walking back to the coaches, out of the crowd, a disoriented Burnley fan approached a policeman and told him he’d been attacked. The policeman just swore him then aggressively got into his face and told him to get on his bus.

It made me wonder, would they treat people like that at any other large event? You must have to be a psychopath to do that job.

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

I remember being at a Leeds match at Elland Road, I think was when McCormack scored in the last minute, anyway while walking back to the coaches, out of the crowd, a disoriented Burnley fan approached a policeman and told him he’d been attacked. The policeman just swore him then aggressively got into his face and told him to get on his bus.

It made me wonder, would they treat people like that at any other large event? You must have to be a psychopath to do that job.

I agree. I once went to a pub where the landlord was a right ignorant so and so. You must have to be ignorant to do that job!!

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

That route but turning left towards the junction with Yorkshire Street. The issue with the horse was around 50 yards from the junction.

Another oddity on Saturday was a coach directly blocking the gate as you enter Belvedere Road which I’ve never seen before.

Got ya, I saw the coach and thought that it was parked in a ridiculous spot but turned right as I normally do and didn’t witness anything. Surely if you know that it is a flashpoint and you are heading into town it would be better to just walk straight across the road and through the side streets? (That is just my thoughts and not aimed at you a-s-c)

[Burnley1989]

I agree. I once went to a pub where the landlord was a right ignorant so and so. You must have to be ignorant to do that job!!

Your horse was beautiful though, I'll give you that

[PaintYorkClaretnBlue]

Your horse was beautiful though, I'll give you that

Haha, it wouldn’t have been with me on its back, it would have been knackered

[arise_sir_charge]

I’m not concerned that it’s an occasional flash point on that corner, I walk that way nearly every game, in fact I’ve pretty much always headed back into town via Yorkshire Street regardless of which stand I have been sat in. If I’d thought there was going to be trouble I’d have avoided it.

However, on Saturday I didn’t legislate for marauding police horses causing mayhem from nothing though. Lesson learnt, I’ll try and second guess idiotic policing in future to ensure a safe passage home.

[Nori1958]

I’m not concerned that it’s an occasional flash point on that corner, I walk that way nearly every game, in fact I’ve pretty much always headed back into town via Yorkshire Street regardless of which stand I have been sat in. If I’d thought there was going to be trouble I’d have avoided it.

However, on Saturday I didn’t legislate for marauding police horses causing mayhem from nothing though. Lesson learnt, I’ll try and second guess idiotic policing in future to ensure a safe passage home.

So you've walked that way for how many years? Without incident.... Yet one problem might make you change?

[Loyalclaret]

Pretty cute watching the two retired officer defending a situation they haven't seen, against a plethora of normally reasonable Burnley fans of all ages who did

[arise_sir_charge]

So you've walked that way for how many years? Without incident.... Yet one problem might make you change?

No, not at all, but PYCB seems to be suggesting I should.

He’s a police officer, I imagine he will know best.

[Middle-agedClaret]

I’m impressed at the way some on this board have a psychic insight to other posters’ professions.

[Nori1958]

No, not at all, but PYCB seems to be suggesting I should.

He’s a police officer, I imagine he will know best.

I don't think he is .... And he wont

Id make my own mind up if I was you, and trust my own judgement based on the hundreds of times I'd walked that way without problems

Hopefully the incident on Saturday gets dealt with correctly and anybody found to have done wrong gets punished accordingly

[turbo5]

it has been 3 days since the event, I thought the Police, (any of the different divisions) Eg BFC football liaison team , Burnley police, Lancashire Police, may have acknowledged that a number of complaints have been made. Stating they will be reviewed ensuring standards were maintained during the policing of this match.
Keeping people informed isn't admitting liability, it's demonstarting that the police take these matters seriously and want to give the public confidence they are undertaking their duties correctly. I haven't seen anything from the police or the local press! I thought Lancs Live would have been all over this story. Silence on these matters can leave lasting negative impressions of the police.
Reading this post quite a few innocent people were either pushed, shoved, threatened, charged with a horse or were generally frightened and confused. Their options once committed to walking in the Yorkshire street direction were either walking the line of abuse alongside the away fans coaches, stick to the pavement but in that short distance a few baton welding police officers were shouting expletives and creating confusion and panic amongst the fans . or you could run the gauntlet down the middle of the road whilst the charge of the light brigade undertook a relay race up and down the road.

[bfcjg]

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He'd be turning in his grave.

[Loyalclaret]

I’m impressed at the way some on this board have a psychic insight to other posters’ professions.

Or the posters have talked about their work lives in the 15+ years that the boards have been operating. Thankfully the board is home to a brilliant range of people

[roperclaret]

Wasn’t there. But my brother in law was a police officer/sergeant for 15 years. Even in social situations some of his colleagues were nobheads, and they were even worse when in uniform. Kinda like the power went to their heads. There are plenty of good Police officers out there. There’s also a lot of wankers too.

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

I have a very good reason not to upload this evidence onto social media, it's gone to the correct people it needs to, at this moment I don't want to currupt anything that could come from this over the coming days, but if there's no joy from this then it will be uploaded to has many places we can possibly do it.

Also after watching it back this morning another thing I forgotten I saw was the police lady on the white horse after she saw about four lads trying to stop the two officers from punching the lad waved her hand in the air and at lease six more police officers on horses galloped towards the situation and anyone in the way got hit by a horse and a few got knocked over, absolutely ridiculous over reaction and very dangerous

Please make sure you have multiple copies made as it will mysteriously disappear no doubt if you send your only copy in.

Officers have been privately prosecuted by members of the public after being assaulted and your evidence could be key in that person receiving justice.

[Zlatan]

Please make sure you have multiple copies made as it will mysteriously disappear no doubt if you send your only copy in.

Officers have been privately prosecuted by members of the public after being assaulted and your evidence could be key in that person receiving justice.

Keep personal local copies too, don’t rely on cloud storage for evidence either

[Superjohnnyfrancis]

Send a usb stick of it into the National newspapers.

Getting bloody ridiculous these incidents now.

[Marty Dobson]

I was in the lower Longside on Saturday and stayed to applaud the players until they went down the tunnel. I then made my way out of the stadium and walked up the path to the exit onto Belvedere Rd. As we approached the exit there was a crush at the gate as a large white 'Boro coach was parked at the edge of the footpath. The door to this coach was facing the gate and some away fans were already on. Now, this coach was parked completely across the exit forcing people to turn sharply left or right along the footpath to to get clear. Normally people can walk straight out on to the road without much congestion but this was impossible on Saturday. I wanted to turn right up Belvedere Road but with the amount of people trying to emerge through that narrow gap I was forced to turn left. I tried to get through the gap on the left passing the entrance door of the coach where 3 young frightened looking police officers (1 male, 1 female and 1 other - i'm not sure of gender - as I was watching my step in the dark due to the pressure from the crowd behind me) were stood blocking/guarding the door which was open. They were completely powerless and cut off from colleagues as far as I could judge and seemed to be leaning back protecting the entrance steps up to the coach. I turned sharply to my left and a telegraph pole blocked my way. Luckily I was able to squeeze through (thank chrisht for that recent diet) the narrow gap between pole and the pillar of the Cricket Field gate to get on to the footpath in front of the coach. I then crossed the road using the wide space left between the offending coach and another parked in front. i went around the white coach and up Belvedere Rd away from the excitement.
Boro had a huge boisterous support on Saturday and fair play to them. However the fact of the loose arrangement with coach parking, and the forcing of rival fans to cross each other's paths in large numbers when tension was high was a huge risk. As events proved it needs to be investigated and addressed by the authorities without delay. As does the reported behaviour of the mounted police officers as already mentioned.

[arise_sir_charge]

I don't think he is .... And he wont

Id make my own mind up if I was you, and trust my own judgement based on the hundreds of times I'd walked that way without problems

Hopefully the incident on Saturday gets dealt with correctly and anybody found to have done wrong gets punished accordingly

I am fairly certain he is or was a police officer and his apparent thirst to defend them seems to suggest he is.

You are missing the whole point of my posts. I have and always will make my own mind up and if I see something I’ll call it out like I have here. I don’t appreciate someone who wasn’t there coming on and suggesting all those that were are wrong.

[Anonymous Claret]

To all the fans and police officers on here who witnessed the alleged out of control, aggressive policewoman on the horse and the male officer punching the Clarets fan, have you actually made a complaint to Lancs Police? If not, why not?
It would also help if any police officers who were serving that day and witnessed what happened made statements. I don't expect this to happen which is a shame because if the police reported their own officers who broke the law, the public would have a lot more trust in them.

For balance the vast majority of police officers are very decent people who make the matchday experience safe and enjoyable for the fans. However the rotten apples need to be exposed by both the public and the police.

[Wokingclaret]

I was wondering when the majority of away Coaches were moved onto Belvedere Rd, I know they overflowed that way when we accommodated 4000 away fans!

I'm thinking when the road blocking system went in on Harry Potts way.

[Nori1958]

I am fairly certain he is or was a police officer and his apparent thirst to defend them seems to suggest he is.

You are missing the whole point of my posts. I have and always will make my own mind up and if I see something I’ll call it out like I have here. I don’t appreciate someone who wasn’t there coming on and suggesting all those that were are wrong.

Iam assuming that's aimed at me...... Where on earth have I said you were all wrong????
I've suggested the language used in some posts was a bit off, but never suggested once that the incident didn't happen, mainly because as you've said, I wasn't there.

[arise_sir_charge]

Iam assuming that's aimed at me...... Where on earth have I said you were all wrong????
I've suggested the language used in some posts was a bit off, but never suggested once that the incident didn't happen, mainly because as you've said, I wasn't there.

Jesus wept, are you being purposely numb?

I am talking about PYCB!

[pushpinpussy]

I am telling you all now, no serving police officer's will have witnessed anything and i very much doubt body cam footage would have been on in these circumstances. However, if there is BWF, i will guarantee you that if it is incriminating against the police it wont be served as evidence meaning it will be erased in 30 days.