Was it a red card? I think not.
Defo a yellow and penalty, but not a red

It was nothing.

He didn't handle it.

Should be rescinded.

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:42 pm

Was it a red card? I think not.
Defo a yellow and penalty, but not a red

You have to be kidding surely? Since when is the ball hitting the bar a yellow and a penalty never mind a red

My only thought behind a yellow was that his arm could considered to be in a unnatural position 123EasyasBFC

So if your hand is in an unnatural position and doesn't touch the ball it's a yellow??

Roberts was just using his hand as leverage, perfectly natural, my only criticism is that he should have palmed the ball over the bar instead of back into the danger zone.

The only thing that could have been more erroneous than a red card was a yellow card.

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:42 pm

Was it a red card? I think not.
Defo a yellow and penalty, but not a red

DA? Is that you?

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:00 pm

DA? Is that you?

It's the latest whacky novelty account.

Does anyone have a link to close up footage of the point at which Roberts is supposed to have handled it?

It hit the bar - he didn't handle it.

Carport wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:27 pm

Does anyone have a link to close up footage of the point at which Roberts is supposed to have handled it?

https://www.skysports.com/football/burn ... ugh/468090

Roosterbooster wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:00 pm

DA? Is that you?

Who’s DA?

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:49 pm

So if your hand is in an unnatural position and doesn't touch the ball it's a yellow??

Yes. Depends how far out.

A handball of A DOGO (denial of goal scoring opportunity ) is a red.

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:38 pm

Yes. Depends how far out.

A handball of A DOGO (denial of goal scoring opportunity ) is a red.

Oh dear

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:38 pm

Yes. Depends how far out.

A handball of A DOGO (denial of goal scoring opportunity ) is a red.

It hit the bar - he didn't handle it.

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 11:42 pm

It hit the bar - he didn't handle it.

Ignore him.

He's obviously on a wind-up.

Now he tried to handle it so you could say there was intent , but he didnt in the end .

Messi blatantly handled the ball in one of the earlier rounds and was not even given a yellow

It hit crossbar, not his hand. It is not a freekick or a red. The standard of championship refs is shocking, I have seen better refs at my son's under 9 games.

mybloodisclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:20 am

It hit crossbar, not his hand. It is not a freekick or a red. The standard of championship refs is shocking, I have seen better refs at my son's under 9 games.

But in real time you could see why a penalty was given as Roberts clearly made an attempt to stop the ball going into the net with his hand.

I don't disagree. It looked a peno, my comment was more about that another shocking performance by a ref. He was bad throughout.

And the ref was only following advice from his linesman

The ref did not make the decision - merely supported his assistant who was never going to change his mind in real time

Why didn’t the linesman flag?

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:34 am

And the ref was only following advice from his linesman

The ref did not make the decision - merely supported his assistant who was never going to change his mind in real time

He was watching the reaction from the Boro support.

Assuming this is not turned over, which is probably likely, will the suspension be used up on the man u match?

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:23 pm

Assuming this is not turned over, which is probably likely, will the suspension be used up on the man u match?

Why would it not be overturned?

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:23 pm

Assuming this is not turned over, which is probably likely, will the suspension be used up on the man u match?

That seems a strange take on the situation to me.
Video evidence shows / (proves beyond doubt) that Roberts committed no offence at all, let alone a red card offence.
Are we going to start suspending players for non-offences??

The statistics show that Roberts was dismissed for deliberate handball, yet some of you think your eyes are more reliable.

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:34 pm

That seems a strange take on the situation to me.
Video evidence shows / (proves beyond doubt) that Roberts committed no offence at all, let alone a red card offence.
Are we going to start suspending players for non-offences??

I agree that it certainly was not handball but my cynicism doubts it will be overturned. Hope I am wrong.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:28 am

But in real time you could see why a penalty was given as Roberts clearly made an attempt to stop the ball going into the net with his hand.

But he couldn't reach it, and the referee - just a matter of yards away, (not sat in the stands), should have seen that.
Let's suppose that in similar circumstance the goalkeeper dived to save the ball but it hit the bar and went over. Presumably it would be ok for the referee to give a corner?
He should be seeing the difference between the ball hitting the bar and the keeper saving it.
At a rough guess, Roberts hand was a good foot below the ball. If the ref can't see this and is taking advice from an assistant then he shouldn't be getting paid for the job.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:36 pm

The statistics show that Roberts was dismissed for deliberate handball, yet some of you think your eyes are more reliable.

Surely you could make the same point about any erroneous decision made by an official?

We were convinced at the time that it was a red. Can see why it was given. Hope its overturned but I think it's even hard to tell on the highlights.

nil_desperandum wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:43 pm

Surely you could make the same point about any erroneous decision made by an official?

Sorry, I’m being facetious. That post should have been read in conjunction with the Muric thread.

ArmchairDetective wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:44 pm

We were convinced at the time that it was a red. Can see why it was given. Hope its overturned but I think it's even hard to tell on the highlights.

No it isn't,it's as plain as the nose on your face that it hit the bar and not his hand.

conyoviejo wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:06 pm

No it isn't,it's as plain as the nose on your face that it hit the bar and not his hand.

Just seen this and can't help but agree with you

https://twitter.com/_The72/status/16041 ... P40ew&s=19

Tribesmen wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 11:00 am

Now he tried to handle it so you could say there was intent , but he didnt in the end .

Hence why I think it’s a yellow

ArmchairDetective wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:44 pm

We were convinced at the time that it was a red. Can see why it was given. Hope its overturned but I think it's even hard to tell on the highlights.

Well the evidence is there in front of you Detective....and also for the panel to see.

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:22 pm

Hence why I think it’s a yellow

*Admiral Akbar Meme*

Surely this is being rescinded?

We could really do without a bogus suspension for Connor what with Vitinho’s injury.

Aclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:25 pm

Well the evidence is there in front of you Detective....and also for the panel to see.

Won't give up the day job just yet

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Dec 17, 2022 10:42 pm

Was it a red card? I think not.
Defo a yellow and penalty, but not a red

What planet are you on? how can it be a yellow,it’s not like trying to kick someone up in the air.

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 2:23 pm

Assuming this is not turned over, which is probably likely, will the suspension be used up on the man u match?

It will be overturned, there's evidence that he didn't touch the ball.

So the stats will show he hasn't been given a red card.

Carwin261 wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:38 pm

What planet are you on? how can it be a yellow,it’s not like trying to kick someone up in the air.

Earth.

the only scope for a yellow is that his arm was in a unnatural position.

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:17 pm

Earth.

the only scope for a yellow is that his arm was in a unnatural position.

But it didn’t touch his arm so why would it be a yellow card?

He could walk around like a zombie with both arm outstretched in front of him if he wanted too. If the ball doesn’t hit the arms there is no offence

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:17 pm

Earth.

the only scope for a yellow is that his arm was in a unnatural position.

It can be in a supernatural position, he can do a helicopter twirl with his arms, as long as the ball does not hit the arm then it’s completely irrelevant

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:17 pm

Earth.

the only scope for a yellow is that his arm was in a unnatural position.

So what offence has Roberts potentially committed?
Surely you can hold your arms and hands in any position provided that the ball doesn't hit them.
Edit: As the previous poster said!

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 3:22 pm

Hence why I think it’s a yellow

But (I think) ‘attempted’ handball isn’t an offence. The offence occurs when the ball is touched.

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑

Sun Dec 18, 2022 4:17 pm

Earth.

the only scope for a yellow is that his arm was in a unnatural position.

There is no scope for a yellow.