Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:45 pm

Popular opinion on here seems to want Everton to go down but I wonder how many might change that view if a certain Sean Dyche becomes the Everton manager in the next week or so.

I think it would be a good short term fit to keep them up but I couldn't see Dyche lasting long at a club as big as Everton

PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:51 pm

Kompany wouldn’t go there now would he?

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:12 pm

Dyche won’t get the gig. Can you imagine the Everton fans if they appoint Dyche. They would be apoplectic

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:18 pm

I saw at least one post when Ancelloti left them to go to Real Madrid saying that they felt let down by him

You need to get the managers for your level and Everton fans have never got that and its pretty clear the board haven't either

claretburns wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:16 pm

Seen a lot of comments on their message boards this evening asking for Dyche if they can't get Pochettino (Yes they actually think they can get Pochettino).

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:18 pm

You need to get the managers for your level

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 10:28 pm

I stand to be corrected then

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:50 pm

Double bonus then Everton getting relegated and Dyche again.

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:00 pm

How much dross can you come up with? Plank!!

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:05 pm

I’m nowhere near your level.

You sound like a jilted lover. Is it the Gravely voice which does it for you? Or the ginger hair?? Oh wait i know it’s the tight rearguard…

4-4-2 double 6 must be classed as dirty talk to you.

Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:10 pm

Its a pity Xmas has just gone as an Everton/Burnley half and half scarf would make the perfect gift for Stayingup should Dyche get the Everton job

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:08 pm

Have you thought about following another sport? You dont get football do you. And your numb.

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:15 pm

No. I just dont like the permanent slagging off of the best
manager we had in years by half wits.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:06 am

Would be nice if people didn't fight on here like drunks outside Wetherspoons.

Anyway, Lampard, and by extension Everton's results, is a symptom of Everton's lack of focus, not the cause. They spend a lot of money and just hope it clicks, but they attempting to scrape results in a league where half the teams have over the last decade made concerted efforts to find a sporting models viable within their particular budgets. City, Liverpool, Arsenal and ManU obviously have their $hit together (ManU less so until recently, but Ten Hag is being allowed to implement his philosophy), Chelsea have been a bit slapdash the last few years, and flukey Champions League out-of-nowhere aside, it kinda shows. Then you have Spurs, who are the Everton of the top six. Aimless spending, unfocussed.

This kind of pattern repeats throughout the mini-leagues within the league. Brighton are focussed in how they play, how their transfer policy is aligned with that playstyle, and look where they are. Same for Brentford. Wolves had a kind of focus for a time. They've had a bit of a blip, but I think they'll recover. Palace put faith in Viera and let him build ground-up. It's going well.

Then of the unfocussed teams you've got Southampton, whose well — their academy — has dried up, and the cracks are appearing now their conveyor belt has slowed down. Then you've got West Ham, who are totally slapdash, just like Everton and Spurs, and who could finish top four or bottom three on the flip of a coin. That's where Everton are, and it doesn't matter if it's Lampard or Dyche or Martinez or Allardyce, without a saviour like Ancelotti they will struggle because the manager will be cobbling together a side of relative misfits. If Everton survive this season, I genuinely fancy us to finish above them next year because we have our $hit together where they do not. We know precisely what we want in every position, whereas Everton bring in talent and conjure up a system. Our style precedes our transfers. For Everton, it's the opposite.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:06 am

Would be nice if people didn't fight on here like drunks outside Wetherspoons.

Anyway, Lampard, and by extension Everton's results, is a symptom of Everton's lack of focus, not the cause. They spend a lot of money and just hope it clicks, but they attempting to scrape results in a league where half the teams have over the last decade made concerted efforts to find a sporting models viable within their particular budgets. City, Liverpool, Arsenal and ManU obviously have their $hit together (ManU less so until recently, but Ten Hag is being allowed to implement his philosophy), Chelsea have been a bit slapdash the last few years, and flukey Champions League out-of-nowhere aside, it kinda shows. Then you have Spurs, who are the Everton of the top six. Aimless spending, unfocussed.

This kind of pattern repeats throughout the mini-leagues within the league. Brighton are focussed in how they play, how their transfer policy is aligned with that playstyle, and look where they are. Same for Brentford. Wolves had a kind of focus for a time. They've had a bit of a blip, but I think they'll recover. Palace put faith in Viera and let him build ground-up. It's going well.

Then of the unfocussed teams you've got Southampton, whose well — their academy — has dried up, and the cracks are appearing now their conveyor belt has slowed down. Then you've got West Ham, who are totally slapdash, just like Everton and Spurs, and who could finish top four or bottom three on the flip of a coin. That's where Everton are, and it doesn't matter if it's Lampard or Dyche or Martinez or Allardyce, without a saviour like Ancelotti they will struggle because the manager will be cobbling together a side of relative misfits. If Everton survive this season, I genuinely fancy us to finish above them next year because we have our $hit together where they do not. We know precisely what we want in every position, whereas Everton bring in talent and conjure up a system. Our style precedes our transfers. For Everton, it's the opposite.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:17 pm

Who are you supporting next? Stoke? Stoke is a very Dyche like club. He might become a club legend alongside Pulis.

mybloodisclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:23 am

You're obsessive dislike of the the most succesful manager we have had in decades is completely bizarre, and at times sounds like you need to speak to someone. Did you only start watching us in 2019? Give it a break it is completely and utterly boring. Dyche did, what he could, with what he had, and in the 30 years i've been going on it was quite exceptional in comparison to other eras.

Everyone is thrilled Vinny is here and he is doing sensationally well, but please, stop dogging Dyche. For most true Clarets, the man is a legend.

Shaggy wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 11:16 pm

Think the footballing world agrees with me.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:49 pm

Lampard can't survive that performance surely, however he alone isn't to blame for Everton's problems, which have been years in the making due to bad managerial appointments and terrible recruitment.

dsr wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:57 am

With Lampard's troubles, the very thin ice that Rodgers is skating on seems to be overlooked. If Lampard gets another game, then Rodgers might be first to go.

Clive 1960 wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:55 am

Don't think Dyche as any chance of going to Everton if Frank goes I don't think he could handle the top players , you only have to look at our club and a couple of players were not going to sign contract extension if a certain person was still at the club . I might be wrong but I personally think a club in the premiership would only take Dyche similar to a fat Sam in a desperate situation.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 04, 2023 12:06 am

Would be nice if people didn't fight on here like drunks outside Wetherspoons.

Anyway, Lampard, and by extension Everton's results, is a symptom of Everton's lack of focus, not the cause. They spend a lot of money and just hope it clicks, but they attempting to scrape results in a league where half the teams have over the last decade made concerted efforts to find a sporting models viable within their particular budgets. City, Liverpool, Arsenal and ManU obviously have their $hit together (ManU less so until recently, but Ten Hag is being allowed to implement his philosophy), Chelsea have been a bit slapdash the last few years, and flukey Champions League out-of-nowhere aside, it kinda shows. Then you have Spurs, who are the Everton of the top six. Aimless spending, unfocussed.

This kind of pattern repeats throughout the mini-leagues within the league. Brighton are focussed in how they play, how their transfer policy is aligned with that playstyle, and look where they are. Same for Brentford. Wolves had a kind of focus for a time. They've had a bit of a blip, but I think they'll recover. Palace put faith in Viera and let him build ground-up. It's going well.

Then of the unfocussed teams you've got Southampton, whose well — their academy — has dried up, and the cracks are appearing now their conveyor belt has slowed down. Then you've got West Ham, who are totally slapdash, just like Everton and Spurs, and who could finish top four or bottom three on the flip of a coin. That's where Everton are, and it doesn't matter if it's Lampard or Dyche or Martinez or Allardyce, without a saviour like Ancelotti they will struggle because the manager will be cobbling together a side of relative misfits. If Everton survive this season, I genuinely fancy us to finish above them next year because we have our $hit together where they do not. We know precisely what we want in every position, whereas Everton bring in talent and conjure up a system. Our style precedes our transfers. For Everton, it's the opposite.