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Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:22 pm
by Hurstwood_Claret
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:30 pm
by ElectroClaret
Seems to be divided opinion about getting him back.
Games slipping away for Saints, so yes, you would have thought they'd have brought him back immediately if they were gonna do it.
Lets hope you're right.
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:40 pm
by Spiral
If any Southampton fans are reading this, can you enact any recall clause you may have please. He can't shoot, he's slow, a bit lazy, and he's costing us loads of money. Can't even hold a place in a fairly average championship team, that's why Zaroury and Benson have been playing a lot. Bit of an attitude from what I can tell, doesn't even look happy to be playing. Nowhere near a championship footballer, never mind a premier league player. We don't want him for the second half of the season, you can take him back. Not that he'll be of any use to you, because like I said he's basically rubbish and nobody should sign him.
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:44 pm
by Spiral
...And Nathan if you're reading this I'll name my firstborn after you if you sign for us permanently.
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:46 pm
by NRC
I think the point one of them makes is spot on. Tella is playing in a team playing free-flowing football and full of confidence, where we're playing the game for the most part in the opposition half. Take him back to Southampton and not only is it a step up, but it's entirely a different on-field circumstance.
He probably isn't the "savior" to their woes
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:47 pm
by Colburn_Claret
It would be unfair on any young player, to carry the weight of expectation to drag the Saints to survival.
It wouldn't work, and could knock back a real talent. He's better off with is for now. Whether Jones sees it that way is anybodys guess
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:47 pm
by Spiral
I agree, he's nobody's saviour. He won't be able to help them. They should probably try to make some money on him, in fact.
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:05 pm
by tarkys_ears
He's not PL ready yet and if they really wanted to make use of him, they should keep him here to get valuable experience for a season in the prem next year or have his championship experience should they go down.
Giving him 5 mins a game for the next few months won't do nothing for them
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:07 pm
by warksclaret
You would hope Tella would have a meeting with Saints should they push to have him back, and he would want assurances about appearances, starts and game time
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:09 pm
by Bosscat
warksclaret wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:07 pm
You would hope Tella would have a meeting with Saints should they push to have him back, and he would want assurances about appearances, starts and game time
Does he have any say about it
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Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:33 pm
by FCBurnley
Saints lose again They are in big trouble if they can’t beat Forest
Re: Tella
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:34 pm
by FCBurnley
Spiral wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:40 pm
If any Southampton fans are reading this, can you enact any recall clause you may have please. He can't shoot, he's slow, a bit lazy, and he's costing us loads of money. Can't even hold a place in a fairly average championship team, that's why Zaroury and Benson have been playing a lot. Bit of an attitude from what I can tell, doesn't even look happy to be playing. Nowhere near a championship footballer, never mind a premier league player. We don't want him for the second half of the season, you can take him back. Not that he'll be of any use to you, because like I said he's basically rubbish and nobody should sign him.
I agree. He has been absolutely Tellable
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:22 am
by houseboy
Very interesting read. I do like the comments we are getting from other fans. Makes a change from the accusations of ‘anti-football’ we were getting. People actually like us now, it’s a great feeling chaps, bloody great.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:40 am
by HunterST_BFC
Love this comment on there by Samba...
"Why not at this point? We're well into throwing **** at the wall territory".
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:45 am
by CrosspoolClarets
Really like him but in that he struggles to get in our team in the Championship that is in itself an amazing thing, we truly are blessed with talent out wide.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:33 am
by superdimitri
To recall him they have to have included that clause at the beginning of the loan. There's always talk about loan recalls, but no one really knows for sure if that clause even exists.
In most loans, it doesn't.
Interesting that someone mentions his first touch being poor. He has the best first touch I've seen from a player for some time.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:34 am
by bumba
superdimitri wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:33 am
To recall him they have to have included that clause at the beginning of the loan. There's always talk about loan recalls, but no one really knows for sure if that clause even exists.
In most loans, it doesn't.
Interesting that someone mentions his first touch being poor. He has the best first touch I've seen from a player for some time.
Wouldn't put him in the top 5 in our squad for first touches, Zaroury is twice as good we his first touch.
I like Tella but with the strength we've got I wouldn't be too upset if he went back he's our third choice winger for me now
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:05 am
by Colburn_Claret
bumba wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:34 am
Wouldn't put him in the top 5 in our squad for first touches, Zaroury is twice as good we his first touch.
I like Tella but with the strength we've got I wouldn't be too upset if he went back he's our third choice winger for me now
I'd agree about the first touch, and winger, but we have no one who attacks through the middle, with pace, like he does. If he went back it would significantly weaken our attacking options, because JayRod and Ash can't do it.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:10 am
by warksclaret
superdimitri wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:33 am
To recall him they have to have included that clause at the beginning of the loan. There's always talk about loan recalls, but no one really knows for sure if that clause even exists.
In most loans, it doesn't.
Interesting that someone mentions his first touch being poor. He has the best first touch I've seen from a player for some time.
His touch when earning a pen at WBA from Muric's long kick is still in my memory. As good if not better than what you can see in the PL
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:38 am
by Carwin261
Looking at the recent games I think Tella has been better than Zaroury ,but we don’t know if the World Cup has had an effect on him,can’t forget the pass that Tella did off his back though ,he’s no dummy.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:46 am
by Zlatan
Carwin261 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:38 am
Looking at the recent games I think Tella has been better than Zaroury ,but we don’t know if the World Cup has had an effect on him,can’t forget the pass that Tella did off his back though ,he’s no dummy.
sssshhhhhhh - the soton fans are listening....
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:55 am
by arise_sir_charge
Zaroury has the best first touch in the squad, he kills a ball dead regardless of where it comes to him, chest, thigh, knee, shin, foot, it’s as good as I’ve seen in a Claret shirt.
Tell has more pace than Zaroury so there is always a trade off.
If you combined the two you’d have an elite elite player who’d be playing for Man City, not us or Southampton!
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:20 am
by Shaggy
Tellas first touch is very good. He’s an explosive player who’s main weakness for me is that he is too lightweight. I think he’s actually more suited to the premier league where he would have more referee protection than in the Championship. Some teams just rip right into him ( Same as Benson ) making it hard to get into the game.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:39 pm
by RVclaret
Orsic set to sign for Southampton from Zagreb. They shouldn’t count their chickens on that one till it’s formally announced though! But that could be good news re. keeping Tella.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 pm
by Targetman
bumba wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:34 am
Wouldn't put him in the top 5 in our squad for first touches, Zaroury is twice as good we his first touch.
I like Tella but with the strength we've got I wouldn't be too upset if he went back he's our third choice winger for me now
Try to watch more closely when Tella receives the ball, more often than not he brings the ball down perfectly without needing to break his stride.
In that respect he reminds me very much of Danny Ings whose first touch at times is sublime.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:16 pm
by AlargeClaret
He’s excellent and alongside Maatsen and to an extent THB have been instrumental in giving us that touch of Prem class across the pitch . Add in the likes of Benson and Zaroury it’s no wonder we’re storming the division . Hopefully Tella stays as he’s be a huge loss.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:23 pm
by Burnley1989
Targetman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 pm
Try to watch more closely when Tella receives the ball, more often than not he brings the ball down perfectly without needing to break his stride.
In that respect he reminds me very much of Danny Ings whose first touch at times is sublime.
Certainly plucking it out of the air, I agree.
Players like Benson, Zaroury, Tella are just much better technical players than we’ve seen since your Ings, Trippier & Defours, it’s great to watch
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:23 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Question is how much would they want
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:24 pm
by jedi_master
Genuinely think the lad would rather saw his ******** off than go back and play for Nathan Jones in what will be a certain relegation campaign, as opposed to Kompany and a title charge. Premier League or not.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:25 pm
by Cleveleys_claret
superdimitri wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:33 am
To recall him they have to have included that clause at the beginning of the loan. There's always talk about loan recalls, but no one really knows for sure if that clause even exists.
In most loans, it doesn't.
Interesting that someone mentions his first touch being poor. He has the best first touch I've seen from a player for some time.
I dont know about every league but the Premier League clubs have to put in a clause which means they have the option to recall in January. I dont know why but they all have to have it although its very rarely used, but they do.
I will try to find the ruling, I remember reading it when we signed Danny Drinkwater and people worried if he performed well he would be recalled...
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:36 pm
by bumba
Targetman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 pm
Try to watch more closely when Tella receives the ball, more often than not he brings the ball down perfectly without needing to break his stride.
In that respect he reminds me very much of Danny Ings whose first touch at times is sublime.
I do watch closely that's why I've noticed that a lot bounce off him too, a ball in to his feet he struggles with at times.
I agree though that when he plucks it out of the air it is very good control.
I'd say Danny Ings has much better control than Tella though
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:42 pm
by Colburn_Claret
Targetman wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 pm
Try to watch more closely when Tella receives the ball, more often than not he brings the ball down perfectly without needing to break his stride.
In that respect he reminds me very much of Danny Ings whose first touch at times is sublime.
I don't think he was intimating he wasn't very good at taking a ball, only that Zaroury is better, and he is. But that's just being pedantic, they are both excellent.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:23 pm
by burnleybonzo
This weekend might be an indication. If Soton want him back they probably wouldn't want him to be cup tied?
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:36 pm
by Vegas Claret
jedi_master wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:24 pm
Genuinely think the lad would rather saw his ******** off than go back and play for Nathan Jones in what will be a certain relegation campaign, as opposed to Kompany and a title charge. Premier League or not.
perfectly worded synopsis !
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:37 pm
by ervi34
burnleybonzo wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:23 pm
This weekend might be an indication. If Soton want him back they probably wouldn't want him to be cup tied?
Doubt they'd care that much.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:48 pm
by dougcollins
One of the ironies (and there seems to be more every day) is that Tadic has agreed terms with Southampton and could well be playing in the Championship next season.
It does make Tella's return less likely.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:17 pm
by superdimitri
Cleveleys_claret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:25 pm
I dont know about every league but the Premier League clubs have to put in a clause which means they have the option to recall in January. I dont know why but they all have to have it although its very rarely used, but they do.
I will try to find the ruling, I remember reading it when we signed Danny Drinkwater and people worried if he performed well he would be recalled...
I don't think it's mandatory but I may be wrong. Clauses today can be complicated:
https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com ... ry-reports
Premier League to Premier League club loans may opt for a clause just so they can then loan another player in January. This is because with those loans you can only have 2 active at any one time and 4 in total in a season.
A player can only be recalled within a transfer window anyway unless agreed to by both clubs (eg if the player has a bad injury).
Tellas first touch is sublime. I'm kinda shocked to see people state it's not if I'm being honest. Maybe we have just focused on different moments when watching games.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:35 pm
by dougcollins
dougcollins wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:48 pm
One of the ironies (and there seems to be more every day) is that Tadic has agreed terms with Southampton and could well be playing in the Championship next season.
It does make Tella's return less likely.
I meant Orsic, obviously. Bloody spell checker.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:42 pm
by tiger76
Anything which increases our chances of hanging onto Tella has to be good news.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:58 pm
by Cleveleys_claret
superdimitri wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:17 pm
I don't think it's mandatory but I may be wrong. Clauses today can be complicated:
https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com ... ry-reports
Premier League to Premier League club loans may opt for a clause just so they can then loan another player in January. This is because with those loans you can only have 2 active at any one time and 4 in total in a season.
A player can only be recalled within a transfer window anyway unless agreed to by both clubs (eg if the player has a bad injury).
Tellas first touch is sublime. I'm kinda shocked to see people state it's not if I'm being honest. Maybe we have just focused on different moments when watching games.
Agreed his touch is amazing, if anything, I think he needs to work on his delivery from the wing, he compensates by running inside with the ball which serves him well. But if he could put a decent ball in the box it would put him on another level. Probably why we have him though
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:47 pm
by morpheus2
Spiral wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:44 pm
...And Nathan if you're reading this I'll name my firstborn after you if you sign for us permanently.
If it's a girl Natella Spiral?
Nice, but sounds like a chocolate nutty ice lolly!
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:54 pm
by Spiral
No, still Nathan, regardless of sex.
Re: Tella
Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:57 pm
by Bosscat
morpheus2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 5:47 pm
If it's a girl Natella Spiral?
Nice, but sounds like a chocolate nutty ice lolly!
Nutella
Re: Tella
Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:13 am
by footballdiedin92
arise_sir_charge wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:55 am
Zaroury has the best first touch in the squad, he kills a ball dead regardless of where it comes to him, chest, thigh, knee, shin, foot, it’s as good as I’ve seen in a Claret shirt.
He's not bad, but in the same way that John Deary has never been replaced in centre midfield, no player has come close to being able to control a ball as well as David Eyres.
Super Johnny Francis on the other hand could trap a ball further than I can kick it.
Re: Tella
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:16 pm
by Duffer_
Now cup-tied and Soton through to the 4th round. It's only marginal but it's a slither of a reason not to recall him and take up a squad place with a player unavailable for their cup run.
Not that it matters - 75% of Soton fans have made their views on him very clear.
Re: Tella
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:19 pm
by jedi_master
I could be totally wrong but I just think if they were gonna do it, it would have happened. Plus they got Orsic.
Re: Tella
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:44 pm
by Burnley87
Is it just me who thinks he is exceptionally poor when he has to think about anything however when it’s instinct he is pretty good.
I think he will look pretty ordinary in the premier league. He is a great asset this season but i hope in the summer we will look for someone better
Re: Tella
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:49 pm
by DCWat
Burnley87 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:44 pm
Is it just me who thinks he is exceptionally poor when he has to think about anything however when it’s instinct he is pretty good.
I think he will look pretty ordinary in the premier league. He is a great asset this season but i hope in the summer we will look for someone better
Exceptionally poor? I don’t think I’ve seen anything from Tella that I’d describe as being exceptionally poor.
Re: Tella
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:56 pm
by RVclaret
Burnley87 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:44 pm
Is it just me who thinks he is exceptionally poor when he has to think about anything however when it’s instinct he is pretty good.
I think he will look pretty ordinary in the premier league. He is a great asset this season but i hope in the summer we will look for someone better
Not exceptionally poor exactly but I do know what you are saying.
I posted after Swansea that there’s rarely an in between with him, does some stuff extremely well then other stuff really poor.
Kinda agree that I hope we don’t spend more than 10m in the summer on him (unless he improves more). We just need someone else who can do that direct central running though.
Re: Tella
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:57 pm
by Conroysleftfoot
Burnley87 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 5:44 pm
Is it just me who thinks he is exceptionally poor when he has to think about anything however when it’s instinct he is pretty good.
I think he will look pretty ordinary in the premier league. He is a great asset this season but i hope in the summer we will look for someone better
Scoring against Birmingham he had a long time to think about it, all the way from the halfway line, but put it away superbly.
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