I'm intrigued by this. Why does this planning app come under Burnley Council's remit? I thought the borough boundary ended a mile or so up the road at the county line?

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/n ... n-upgrade/

Looks like Todmorden only has town council status and Burnley Borough Council is the local planning authority.

Thanks for that. I thought Tod would come under Calderdale Council for planning.

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:33 pm

Thanks for that. I thought Tod would come under Calderdale Council for planning.

I don’t know this specifically but here are my musings…
The traditional Lancs/Yorks boundary ran along the main road, splitting Todmorden in half. With Burnley being a much bigger council than Calderdale it makes sense that planning would fall under Burnley

It's a mistake from the LET - the application has been made to Calderdale Council (it's on their Planning Website) not Burnley BC.

The rule is that every local council is the Local Planning Authority that decides planning application for their own area - you can't decide applications outside of your Local Authority boundary. There are cases where a site straddles the area of two councils, in this scenario the developer has to make two planning applications (which both have to be approved if the Scheme is to be built).

The village of Tosside 3 miles from us has the border running through the middle.

Folk go to Church in Yorkshire then pop over the border to have a pre-lunch Pint in the Dog and Partridge

There’s a tiny bit of the development falls under BBC. The majority is Calderdale BC.

There have been previous applications for the site.

Summerseat Claret wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:49 pm

It's a mistake from the LET - the application has been made to Calderdale Council (it's on their Planning Website) not Burnley BC.

The rule is that every local council is the Local Planning Authority that decides planning application for their own area - you can't decide applications outside of your Local Authority boundary. There are cases where a site straddles the area of two councils, in this scenario the developer has to make two planning applications (which both have to be approved if the Scheme is to be built).

The boundary between the two district councils runs through the site. The vast majority is in Calderdale but there’s a tiny sliver that’s in Burnley, hence planning applications to both authorities. It’s more protocol than anything else as looking at a previous officer report on the site there’s not much they can recommend relevant to Burnley, but not applying could cause issues.

Thanks everyone for your input. I did check Burnley Council's planning site before I started the thread and noticed it was there, and this is why I started the thread, but what's been said here makes sense regarding both councils having a say.

Still intriguing through, because the county line sign is maybe a mile or so up the road from the old mill. The jurisdiction over this planning app must be a hangover from the pre-1974 boundary, because the whole site is clearly within what is now called Calderdale, unless the county line sign is in the wrong place.

Oh, ignore that post. I'm thinking in straight lines.

There is a "Welcome to Calderdale" road sign on Burnley Road that is well short of the mill itself but the County boundary actually travels down the middle of Burnley Road (as you head towards Todmorden) quite a way. So it does take in a small amount of the mill, as Ricardo Montalban says.

Looking at the map the county boundary follows an old stream as it comes down from the hills, before straightening up as it reaches the road.

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:53 pm

The village of Tosside 3 miles from us has the border running through the middle.

Folk go to Church in Yorkshire then pop over the border to have a pre-lunch Pint in the Dog and Partridge

Sadly not for a number of years,pub been closed and is up for sale as a luxury 9 bed house. My great grandad ran it in the 1930s when it was The Temperance, no alcohol sold

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:46 pm

I don’t know this specifically but here are my musings…
The traditional Lancs/Yorks boundary ran along the main road, splitting Todmorden in half. With Burnley being a much bigger council than Calderdale it makes sense that planning would fall under Burnley

The idea that Burnley Council is “much bigger” than Calderdale is utterly fanciful.
Burnley is a non-Metropolitan Borough Council, Calderdale is a Metropolitan Borough Council. Calderdale has more Council Seats, has more than double the population of Burnley Borough, and covers more than three times the area too. It incorporates Halifax(itself Larger than Burnley in population), Elland, Brighouse, Sowerby Bridge, Hebden Bridge, and Todmorden(amongst others).

Burnley has, in fact, a much smaller Borough Council than Calderdale.

Other than that, as you were.

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:43 pm

The idea that Burnley Council is “much bigger” than Calderdale is utterly fanciful.
Burnley is a non-Metropolitan Borough Council, Calderdale is a Metropolitan Borough Council. Calderdale has more Council Seats, has more than double the population of Burnley Borough, and covers more than three times the area too. It incorporates Halifax(itself Larger than Burnley in population), Elland, Brighouse, Sowerby Bridge, Hebden Bridge, and Todmorden(amongst others).

Burnley has, in fact, a much smaller Borough Council than Calderdale.

Other than that, as you were.

I was drawing my conclusions from history, not from any current insight or first hand knowledge. As I thought I had made clear in my post, but apparently not - which is why I liked the post following mine. But ok.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:47 pm

I was drawing my conclusions from history, not from any current insight or first hand knowledge. As I thought I had made clear in my post, but apparently not - which is why I liked the post following mine. But ok.

You were talking out of your hat and just plain wrong. You’ve been corrected.

You’re welcome.

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:48 pm

You were talking out of your hat and just plain wrong. You’ve been corrected.

You’re welcome.

Ok well done hope you feel superior.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:49 pm

Ok well done hope you feel superior.

Not really.

I was correct though.

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:50 pm

Not really.

I was correct though.

Where did i state otherwise? I didn’t. A very strange argument to try to create if you were not on a ego mission. I contributed to a thread with my thoughts in passing…

Well done though.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:57 pm

Where did i state otherwise? I didn’t. A very strange argument to try to create if you were not on a ego mission. I contributed to a thread with my thoughts in passing…

Well done though.

I’ve hurt your feelings. I didn’t mean to.

I’m sorry.

Lord Beamish wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:08 pm

I’ve hurt your feelings. I didn’t mean to.

I’m sorry.

You haven’t. I lost my grand-daughter yesterday. It would take a lot more than a few posts on a message board to top that and add to my upset.

I took no offence as I have no axe to grind one way or the other.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:10 pm

You haven’t. I lost my grand-daughter yesterday. It would take a lot more than a few posts on a message board to top that and add to my upset.

I took no offence as I have no axe to grind one way or the other.

I am so sorry for your loss.

AmbleClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:31 pm

Sadly not for a number of years,pub been closed and is up for sale as a luxury 9 bed house. My great grandad ran it in the 1930s when it was The Temperance, no alcohol sold

Wow when did it shut haven`t been in for years... Saturday night Disco`s back in the day in the Barn at the rear

Sorry to hear about your lost, Elwac.

Summerseat Claret wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:49 pm

It's a mistake from the LET - the application has been made to Calderdale Council (it's on their Planning Website) not Burnley BC.

The rule is that every local council is the Local Planning Authority that decides planning application for their own area - you can't decide applications outside of your Local Authority boundary. There are cases where a site straddles the area of two councils, in this scenario the developer has to make two planning applications (which both have to be approved if the Scheme is to be built).

It is definitely on the Burnley BC planning portal. So, not an LET error, as such. Agree that border applications can fall in two areas.

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:20 pm

Sorry to hear about your lost, Elwac.

Not for the first time this week, thanks Billy.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:22 pm

It is definitely on the Burnley BC planning portal. So, not an LET error, as such. Agree that border applications can fall in two areas.

It’s just another example of the LT’s less than stellar approach to reporting. Like you say, not an error as such, but you’d think there’s a fair bit of context missing, like, there’s potentially someone’s future flower bed sat in Burnley, but the rest is Calderdale.

When there’s something like this they tend just to lift direct from the applications or committee reports and press ‘submit’. No actual journalism.

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:17 pm

Wow when did it shut haven`t been in for years... Saturday night Disco`s back in the day in the Barn at the rear

Used to go up from Clitheroe, about 15 of us in a Transit, God knows how we made it back in one piece. Slowly closed over the last few years. It's on Hunter's website for sale,they demolished the barn sadly.

RicardoMontalban wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 2:50 pm

It’s just another example of the LT’s less than stellar approach to reporting. Like you say, not an error as such, but you’d think there’s a fair bit of context missing, like, there’s potentially someone’s future flower bed sat in Burnley, but the rest is Calderdale.

When there’s something like this they tend just to lift direct from the applications or committee reports and press ‘submit’. No actual journalism.

That is the way local news media operates nowadays. No investigation or using information to write something. Press releases just printed verbatim to fill space.

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:53 pm

The village of Tosside 3 miles from us has the border running through the middle.

Folk go to Church in Yorkshire then pop over the border to have a pre-lunch Pint in the Dog and Partridge

Thats ridiculous, I mean who goes to church anymore!!