Match thread - Bournemouth v Burnley

[RVclaret]

Yeah, you also referred to Muric when DeGea cocked up, I’m not sure what point you keep trying to make. People don’t need ‘educating’ that top keepers make errors, I’m sure people can see that for themselves.

The way most people go on when he so much as dares to make an error, would suggest not.

[Swizzlestick]

And re the goal - it’s a serious reach to blame the keeper for that. I’m a Muric fan and, while BPF was ok, there were occasions in the second half where Muric would’ve kept possession with a good pass whereas BPF punted it upfield and it was back with the oppo. The goal was totally Cullen’s fault though - he just gets the pass horribly wrong. One of those things.

As highlighted above, this is our style now, and it’s produced far more reward as a result of the risk this season.

[Rileybobs]

The way most people go on when he so much as dares to make an error, would suggest not.

I feel you’re just over-sensitive to criticism of him.

[RVclaret]

I feel you’re just over-sensitive to criticism of him.

Or perhaps you're over-sensitive to my points of discussion around him?

You are the one who's made this about him, ironically.

[Rileybobs]

Or perhaps you're over-sensitive to my points of discussion around him?

You are the one who's made this about him, ironically.

I didn’t actually. You brought Muric up, just like you did on the player ratings thread, and just like you have done on the daily football thread for the last two days.

Anyway, I’ll leave it at that.

[bobinho]

I think that’s pretty much where I am with it now colburn. This is how we play now. We will concede from losing possession in dangerous areas, but I believe these instances will get less and less as we get better and better at it. Then, should we get promoted, it will happen more until we get even better at it. Won’t change tho…. It’s what we do now.

Having watched it a few times tho, I’m sure someone points an arm at some point which seemed to indicate “get rid”. I think there’s a balance to be found. When the opposition close us down, the press is high and we end up in trouble, I’d be inclined to just put my laces thru the ball. Better to lose it on the edge of their box than ours.

Maybe I have some way to go in my football development.

[warksclaret]

It was a great result at 2-4, bearing in mind we gifted them one too, when Josh misjudged his pass. We also lost our other PL game v the inform Man Utd just 2-0 and could easily have scored 3 on the night.

[Darnhill Claret]

I am sure it is reassuring that particular mistake has not reoccurred since the Blackpool game. How many matches ago? At this rate I expect it to happen no more than one more time this season. I’m happy with that. It certainly isn’t gonna stop us going up as champions.

[quoonbeatz]

Goal was entirely Cullen's fault. He was free, clearly called for the ball and totally cocked up his pass. Zero blame on BPF at all. Muric makes the same pass 4-5 times a game still.

[RVclaret]

Goal was entirely Cullen's fault. He was free, clearly called for the ball and totally cocked up his pass. Zero blame on BPF at all. Muric makes the same pass 4-5 times a game still.

Sorry but I disagree.

Did Cullen call for it? Yes. Does that mean he has to have it played to him? No.

THB clearly tells BPF to play it to the left (see image), where Taylor was free.

BPF takes a touch (Muric probably wouldn't) and that extra split second to think about playing the pass.

Just to make it clear, Cullen is still massively at fault for a poor pass but he probably shouldn't have received the pass with a man breathing down his neck and with better options elsewhere.

Very small details but imo just shows the value of a true ball playing keeper.

[taio]

Goal was entirely Cullen's fault. He was free, clearly called for the ball and totally cocked up his pass. Zero blame on BPF at all. Muric makes the same pass 4-5 times a game still.

Agree - Cullen entirely at fault. Thankfully it didn't affect the outcome.

[taio]

Sorry but I disagree.

Did Cullen call for it? Yes. Does that mean he has to have it played to him? No.

THB clearly tells BPF to play it to the left (see image), where Taylor was free.

BPF takes a touch (Muric probably wouldn't) and that extra split second to think about playing the pass.

Just to make it clear, Cullen is still massively at fault for a poor pass but he probably shouldn't have received the pass with a man breathing down his neck and with better options elsewhere.

Very small details but imo just shows the value of a true ball playing keeper.

Muric takes the touch in these situations all the time. BPF played a pass that we are playing all the time. On this occasion it was all down to Cullen's misplaced pass.

[RVclaret]

Muric takes the touch in these situations all the time. BPF played a pass that we are playing all the time. On this occasion it was all down to Cullen's misplaced pass.

DA probably said it better than I am earlier on this thread

Maybe he did but but there was far more room out left but BPF took a split second to control the ball and was being closed down so had to play it the way he was facing. Muric would have spotted where to play it whilst controlling the ball in a way to shape playing it out to the left.

Not a dig at BFP as it was def Cullens fault but Muric gets a lot of stick but this is the kind of stuff he makes look easy that goes unnoticed

[taio]

DA probably said it better than I am earlier on this thread

Yes, he said it was Cullen at fault.And that Muric would've taken a touch too.

[RVclaret]

Yes, he said it was Cullen at fault.And that Muric would've taken a touch too.

Touch or not, the ball would have been played wide left where there was space, like THB was pointing, not to Cullen.

But yes, I'll say again, it was definitely Cullen's fault for a poor pass.

[taio]

Touch or not, the ball would have been played wide left where there was space, like THB was pointing, not to Cullen.

But yes, I'll say again, it was definitely Cullen's fault for a poor pass.

Not sure how you can be so confident Muric wouldn't play the same pass because, again, he's doing it all the time.

[Culmclaret]

99 times out of a 100 Cullen’s pass would have gone to Beyer or Taylor. Somehow he bisected them and it went straight to Christie.

[quoonbeatz]

Sorry but I disagree.

Did Cullen call for it? Yes. Does that mean he has to have it played to him? No.

THB clearly tells BPF to play it to the left (see image), where Taylor was free.

BPF takes a touch (Muric probably wouldn't) and that extra split second to think about playing the pass.

Just to make it clear, Cullen is still massively at fault for a poor pass but he probably shouldn't have received the pass with a man breathing down his neck and with better options elsewhere.

Very small details but imo just shows the value of a true ball playing keeper.

Amazing that you've used that photo with those comments.

Cullen has time and space, the man isn't breathing down his neck, he's hardly reached him when he makes his bad pass.

Muric would 100% take a touch there. And 100% he'd play the same pass to Cullen.

BPF is left footed so there is no way he's getting it out to Taylor from there (an even riskier pass given where their forward is positioned in the area.)

[RVclaret]

Amazing that you've used that photo with those comments.

Cullen has time and space, the man isn't breathing down his neck, he's hardly reached him when he makes his bad pass.

Muric would 100% take a touch there. And 100% he'd play the same pass to Cullen.

BPF is left footed so there is no way he's getting it out to Taylor from there (an even riskier pass given where their forward is positioned in the area.)

Don’t agree, it would have been clipped to the left back or launched forward. BPF showed signs of this at United too. I suggest you watch the distribution of Muric more closely. I’ll leave it there because this is boring me now.

[clarethomer]

can't believe we still haven't scored another one yet

[quoonbeatz]

Don’t agree, it would have been clipped to the left back or launched forward. BPF showed signs of this at United too. I suggest you watch the distribution of Muric more closely. I’ll leave it there because this is boring me now.

I watch him every week mate, right in front of me for at least 45 minutes. More like you'll leave it there because you're badly wrong.

Your desperation to constantly blow smoke up Muric's arse is amusing though.

[RVclaret]

I watch him every week mate, right in front of me for at least 45 minutes. More like you'll leave it there because you're badly wrong.

Your desperation to constantly blow smoke up Muric's arse is amusing though.

So does IanMcl, but he has the worst ball knowledge I’ve ever seen, so not sure that helps.

As for your second sentence, it’s just lazy so I’ll ignore it.

[Casper2]

It was both him and Cullen.

No it wasn’t and duly blocked

[quoonbeatz]

So does IanMcl, but he has the worst ball knowledge I’ve ever seen, so not sure that helps.

As for your second sentence, it’s just lazy so I’ll ignore it.

Lol at 'ball knowledge'. Very twitter.com.

Ian doenst sit near me I dont think but you're the opposite of him, where Muric is concerned. Neither is a good thing.

[Lancasterclaret]

I don't see how it can be worth 2 pages of argument when one poster thinks its one players fault, and everybody else thinks it is the player who is actually at fault

Best thing about it is that Cullen realised his error, and it didn't affect his performance the rest of the match, or the teams

Probably best leaving it at that

[IanMcL]

Sorry but I disagree.

Did Cullen call for it? Yes. Does that mean he has to have it played to him? No.

THB clearly tells BPF to play it to the left (see image), where Taylor was free.

BPF takes a touch (Muric probably wouldn't) and that extra split second to think about playing the pass.

Just to make it clear, Cullen is still massively at fault for a poor pass but he probably shouldn't have received the pass with a man breathing down his neck and with better options elsewhere.

Very small details but imo just shows the value of a true ball playing keeper.

Not even Cullen would make that argument!
He positively raced towards the keeper and to clear space from the man behind him, so that he could take the ball and change the play. It was delivered accurately and he played the pass.....and made a gross error.

[Roosterbooster]

Just to make it clear, Cullen is still massively at fault for a poor pass but he probably shouldn't have received the pass with a man breathing down his neck and with better options elsewhere.

Very small details but imo just shows the value of a true ball playing keeper.

Muric played the same pass to Cullen against Blackpool when we conceded, only that time Cullen was much more under pressure than yesterday. We didn't concede because BPF played a pass Muric wouldn't have done

[ksrclaret]

It’s a decent bicker, this. Well done lads.

[RVclaret]

Muric played the same pass to Cullen against Blackpool when we conceded, only that time Cullen was much more under pressure than yesterday. We didn't concede because BPF played a pass Muric wouldn't have done

Yes agree - that was a lesson he and the team learned from, and hasn't been seen since!

[quoonbeatz]

Yes agree - that was a lesson he and the team learned from, and hasn't been seen since!

Seriously if you think that hasn't been done since, you haven't been watching. That same pass to a man under more pressure than Cullen yesterday, when there were better options on, has been made plenty of times, it's just been executed better by both players.

[quoonbeatz]

It’s a decent bicker, this. Well done lads.

Easy Sunday afternoon tackle.

[RVclaret]

Seriously if you think that hasn't been done since, you haven't been watching. That same pass to a man under more pressure than Cullen yesterday, when there were better options on, has been made plenty of times, it's just been executed better by both players.

If that pass is played (let’s say by Muric) then its only played if it puts the the receiver in a position where his pass options are on his favoured side (to the left for a right footer), not where he has to open up the body, it’s a more uncomfortable pass and there’s a higher probability of that, which happened yesterday.

I’m not saying that a pass to someone under pressure hasn’t been done, of course it has, but the repeat of the Blackpool goal has not been done, simply because that situation hasn’t arisen again, Muric reads the scene in front of him really well and has the vision and ability to ping first time balls to full backs, which imo, he may well have done yesterday (this is why THB was shouting to play it left as he knew they were getting squeezed and the space was to the left).

[Buxtonclaret]

I think Newcastle have got a good balance in how they now play and defend under Eddie Howe. He's certainly learnt how to get a team to defend and it's no coincidence that he looked at the way Simeone sets up his side. He said as much.

And with Nick Pope in goal they don't pass it around the back, nor take as many risks as we do because Pope isn't technically good enough to play those precise passes that VK likes us to do.

They still manage to attack with speed but are quite solid at the back and don't concede as many silly goals.

Surely that's something we can look at.

Going to be honest, Spijed.
Haven't really looked at how Eddie has them set up too deeply. But your right in that he's learnt how to get a team to defend.
VK has always come across as an intelligent guy. The sort always looking for improvement.
How he's moulded a team, largely full of strangers, into producing the results and displays we're seeing, is remarkable.
I'm sure he'll tighten things up, playing out like we are these days.
But purely because it's sometimes a high risk approach, we'll make the odd mistake like yesterday.
Personally, I can live with that.

[quoonbeatz]

If that pass is played (let’s say by Muric) then its only played if it puts the the receiver in a position where his pass options are on his favoured side (to the left for a right footer), not where he has to open up the body, it’s a more uncomfortable pass and there’s a higher probability of that, which happened yesterday.

I’m not saying that a pass to someone under pressure hasn’t been done, of course it has, but the repeat of the Blackpool goal has not been done, simply because that situation hasn’t arisen again, Muric reads the scene in front of him really well and has the vision and ability to ping first time balls to full backs, which imo, he may well have done yesterday (this is why THB was shouting to play it left as he knew they were getting squeezed and the space was to the left).

This is such a daft argument. Cullen had time to turn either way an pick pass yesterday. There's nobody near him. BPF played the right ball and Muric would 100% have played the same one because that's how we play. He'd also have taken a touch because thats what he does. He rarely pings it first time unless he's under pressure and it's on his right foot. He could have done that yesterday because he's right footed. This is basic stuff. Follow your own advice and watch what he does because we all see the same thing week in week out. The only problem yesterday was Cullen cocking up his pass.

[tiger76]

Only on UTC would a 4-2 victory away at a PL side involve nit-picking in our performance, the reality is this is now the style we employ under VK, and generally it's reaping rewards, mistakes will happen now and then but overall it's bringing us huge success and enjoyment.

[Elizabeth]

Only on UTC would a 4-2 victory away at a PL side involve nit-picking in our performance, the reality is this is now the style we employ under VK, and generally it's reaping rewards, mistakes will happen now and then but overall it's bringing us huge success and enjoyment.

I suppose Muric’s ability will always be subject to argument. I would suggest that anyone fully behind Muric leave it at that without feeling the need to criticise BPF to justify their support . Unnecessary .

[tiger76]

I suppose Muric’s ability will always be subject to argument. I would suggest that anyone fully behind Muric leave it at that without feeling the need to criticise BPF to justify their support . Unnecessary .

I think it's more to do with the high risk play now especially around our own penalty area that's a culture shock for many, I must admit it worried me as well early in the season, however we appear to have massively improved in playing out from the back, and this tactic has resulted in a number of our goals, so VK isn't going to dispense with it purely due to us conceding yesterday through a bad error.

Regarding Muric his ability with his feet doesn't concern me, what worries me more is his command of the high ball, and that is definitely something that can be worked on in training.

[bfcjg]

Regarding the game, I watched the highlights on match of the day, and I must say how refreshing Danny Murphy is, always fair,very incisive, and I always feel it is all about the football not about him promoting himself like some pundits do by being controversial and rude, top pundit IMHO up there with the like of Souness.

[boatshed bill]

Muric is getting a whole lot of comments considering that this is a match thread and he didn't play

[Mayoclaret]

Alex Smith writing in Irish Sunday People made Zaroury (9/10) "Star Man" of the Match and wrote....."Treated Bournemouth defenders legs like croquet hoops and finished with world class skill"
Brilliant!!

[LTUK89]

This is such a daft argument. Cullen had time to turn either way an pick pass yesterday. There's nobody near him. BPF played the right ball and Muric would 100% have played the same one because that's how we play. He'd also have taken a touch because thats what he does. He rarely pings it first time unless he's under pressure and it's on his right foot. He could have done that yesterday because he's right footed. This is basic stuff. Follow your own advice and watch what he does because we all see the same thing week in week out. The only problem yesterday was Cullen cocking up his pass.

Arguing with RV about Muric is always daft.