Can someone explain please? That at Anfield was disgusting just now.

Think it was the bloke who took the corner. When it came back out to him for the 2nd cross he could have been offside.

How is it some things are given because it’s too far back to check with VAR.Salah obviously offside ,and gets away with it,same old Prem favouring the top six.

Boroclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:44 pm

Think it was the bloke who took the corner. When it came back out to him for the 2nd cross he could have been offside.

The usual check club badge VAR check then. Good on Wolves getting the draw.

Boroclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:44 pm

Think it was the bloke who took the corner. When it came back out to him for the 2nd cross he could have been offside.

The replay shows the ball playing backwards when he collects it so not sure he could be offside even if he was in an offside position.

Salah’s goal, he was off when the ball was initially played so should’ve been called offside as soon as the ball got played. The whole thing is a farce.

Didn’t have a camera angle to confirm the position of the corner taker in the passages of play.

Therefore, had to go with the on field decision. That was offside, so the goal was disallowed.

Clearly explained in the commentary.

Conroy92 wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:58 pm

The replay shows the ball playing backwards when he collects it so not sure he could be offside even if he was in an offside position.

Not seen the incident in question, but the ball doesn’t have to be played forward for someone to be offside.

Cooclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:10 pm

Didn’t have a camera angle to confirm the position of the corner taker in the passages of play.

Therefore, had to go with the on field decision. That was offside, so the goal was disallowed.

Clearly explained in the commentary.

That’ll wash in a Champions League Semi Final in a couple of months time.

I'm surprised the camera for goal line tech didn't cover the corner taker.

Salah according to the rules has been played onside by the defender playing the ball.

Hate this version of the offside rule. If Salah hadnt been there in an offside position, the defender wouldnt be ‘forced’ into trying to defend against it.

He was offside when the ball was played. He intends going for the ball. He IS active. It SHOULD be off. Regardless of how the rules work (or dont) at the moment.

For the wolves winner, HOW can they NOT have the relevant camera angle to prove the liner right/wrong.

For the FA Cup, VAR isnt available at all grounds. So all games shouldnt use VAR. Treat all sides the same.

I Hate VAR. And I dont use the word hate very often.

Causing more talking points than it's meant to stop.

How as a defender are you meant to know what to do?

If it's offside. IT'S F***ING OFFSIDE! They've made science and mathematics out of it.

Just make it black and white you thick *****.

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:26 pm

Causing more talking points than it's meant to stop.

How as a defender are you meant to know what to do?

If it's offside. IT'S F***ING OFFSIDE! They've made science and mathematics out of it.

Just make it black and white you thick *****.

Quite a lot of the talking points are just because the pundits and commentators neither understand nor want to try and understand the rules, though.

Same at utd last night when an everton players big toe was ruled offside when they scored, no VAR it's a goal simple as

gsyclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:29 pm

Same at utd last night when an everton players big toe was ruled offside when they scored, no VAR it's a goal simple as

If you want decisions to be binary there needs to be a hard dividing line. You can't have it always. How far would you like people to be allowed to be off before they are given?

claretspice wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:28 pm

Quite a lot of the talking points are just because the pundits and commentators neither understand nor want to try and understand the rules, though.

You've just added to the point I was making.

Ball is played over, the player is offside, flag goes up. If it's not offside, upstairs tells the ref.

It shouldn't be that difficult.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:31 pm

If you want decisions to be binary there needs to be a hard dividing line. You can't have it always. How far would you like people to be allowed to be off before they are given?

I would like the linesman to be giving the decision, it's not about how far or "binary" it's about the clear and obvious

Why doesn't VAR check for corners and goal kicks? I'm not saying it should, but the ball is already dead so why not take the few seconds to check the contentious ones? What's the reasoning?

distortiondave wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:49 pm

Why doesn't VAR check for corners and goal kicks? I'm not saying it should, but the ball is already dead so why not take the few seconds to check the contentious ones? What's the reasoning?

There isn't one, it's an absolute waste of time in my opinion, it has no place in the game IMHO

Another thing - would the game be better if VAR took care of all offsides, leaving the linesman to do....throw ins? I don't know what else now falls under a premier league assistant refs remit.
The technology is clearly there to deduce offsides, so if there were no more offsides given on the pitch but were then checked in the event of a goal, what affect on the game would that have? More babylining? Quicker transitions? Rubbish? Good?

Not convinced they even give throws these days dd, most wait for the ref to decide which way it is.

distortiondave wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:00 pm

Another thing - would the game be better if VAR took care of all offsides, leaving the linesman to do....throw ins? I don't know what else now falls under a premier league assistant refs remit.
The technology is clearly there to deduce offsides, so if there were no more offsides given on the pitch but were then checked in the event of a goal, what affect on the game would that have? More babylining? Quicker transitions? Rubbish? Good?

But this is the whole point. You can’t just check for offside if it’s a goal. Surely it as the be all or none?
At this rate we want all corners & goal kicks checked, all offsides, all possible handballs, all throw-ins, next it will be all fouls!! Ladies and gentlemen, and others. Welcome to American football and the 3-4 hour game!!

VAR killing the beautiful game.

Cooclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:10 pm

Didn’t have a camera angle to confirm the position of the corner taker in the passages of play.

Therefore, had to go with the on field decision. That was offside, so the goal was disallowed.

Clearly explained in the commentary.

This is a very convenient explanation - I’d have thought a ground like Anfield would have all angles covered.

Look at where Trent is when the ball goes back out to the corner taker who is supposedly offside. He’s two yards from the goal line. Given the time elapsed, I think it’s highly unlikely he was offside.

Wolves we’re absolutely cheated tonight.

I'm not quite advocating for that, but if VAR exists (which it does), and isn't going away (which it won't), why not take all potentially major objective decisions (such as offsides, corners and goal kicks) out of the officials hands?
I'm not for one moment suggesting this is good or proper for the game, but they've decided on goal line technology and VAR for offsides, so why not for corners/goal kicks? Is it not a clear and obvious error to get that wrong? I'd suggest so. A free kick or deliberate handball is subjective, but who it touched last on the way out of play isn't, so why not VAR corners?

What bugs me is WHY the VAR people think the new offside rule is good for the game. Under the old rule, the Everton player was level with the Man U player so he was onside, the goal was given, and they can all celebrate. Under the new rule it's impossible to be level, so they make the best guess with the technology available and take 2 minutes disallow a goal which would have been perfectly legal in the past.

Who benefits? Is it the actual VAR ambition to come up with a system that is slow, disrupts the celebrations, annoys the spectators, and results in the disallowance of previously good goals? Is that actually their aim, or are they just too stupid to do anything about it?

Think the best thing to do with VAR and offsides is to stop putting lines on the picture. Let it be judged with the naked eye. If it looks onside with the naked eye then the assistant ref hasn’t made an error. It should eliminate all the toenail offsides.

Of course this wouldn’t stop the tv companies sticking lines on the pictures and having a go at the officials if they got it wrong.

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scouseclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 11:18 pm

This is a very convenient explanation - I’d have thought a ground like Anfield would have all angles covered.

Look at where Trent is when the ball goes back out to the corner taker who is supposedly offside. He’s two yards from the goal line. Given the time elapsed, I think it’s highly unlikely he was offside.

Wolves we’re absolutely cheated tonight.

The camera was broken.

He might well have been onside, he could have been offside. Without a clear and obvious mistake being able to be shown, you revert to the on field decision which was offside.

The only official with a in line view was the linesman. He flagged offside.

When did we stop trusting the linesman?

Both goals offside (1st one clear as day, 2nd relying on the linos decision)

If the lino had flagged straight away, then none of this would even have been mentioned

Surely the FA and referees can see this?

Cooclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:55 am

The camera was broken.

He might well have been onside, he could have been offside. Without a clear and obvious mistake being able to be shown, you revert to the on field decision which was offside.

The only official with a in line view was the linesman. He flagged offside.

When did we stop trusting the linesman?

The minute VAR was introduced. Only call they really make now is “ball out of play”. Everything else is decided “off field”.

Why was VAR even involved when it wasn’t at a whole host of other 3rd round ties? How can it be fair to use VAR for some ties and not others? If the technology is not available for all cup ties it shouldn’t be used at any of them.

Ridiculous to use VAR in some games and not in others. Either all or nothing, surely.

As the last 2 posts have said, VAR should be used in all games within the same competition or none at all.

It’s ridiculous that if the game is played at a Premier or Championship ground it’s used, but any lower it’s not.

If the Sheffield Wednesday/Newcastle game had been played at SJP, Windass first goal would have been ruled out

Isn't it the same with referees? If some games have PL referees, then they all should? I would have thought the main criterion should be that it's the same for both sides. If one game is played on a bog in pouring rain and another is played on a perfect pitch on a sunny day, so be it.

I agree there is a problem with sides having to play a different offside rule from what they're used to, but that's a problem with VAR itself, not with the allocation of referees and their cameras.

Cooclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:10 pm

Didn’t have a camera angle to confirm the position of the corner taker in the passages of play.

Therefore, had to go with the on field decision. That was offside, so the goal was disallowed.

Clearly explained in the commentary.

Yes VAR which seems to be able to separate shoelaces from hairs on the end of a striker's nose, suddenly does not have a camera angle for an offside, where one might expect an offside to occur!

What's that smell?

Just like the decisons on VAR, the rules themselves need to be obvious and clear, not open to interpretation.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:07 am

The minute VAR was introduced. Only call they really make now is “ball out of play”. Everything else is decided “off field”.

No that’s not true, plus also; if the cameras aren’t able to offer a definitive reason to overturn a decision, it stays with those officials on the pitch.

It was offside.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 3:34 pm

Yes VAR which seems to be able to separate shoelaces from hairs on the end of a striker's nose, suddenly does not have a camera angle for an offside, where one might expect an offside to occur!

What's that smell?

THE CAMERA WAS BROKEN. This occurred during the game.

The linesman flagged for offside. Since when do we say linesman are on the take and flagging fraudulently to ensure a top six club remains in a cup.

Have some sense man!

Why has VAR asked the referee to review that in the City game?

That’s a blatant handball that they could have made the decision on

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 11:50 am

As the last 2 posts have said, VAR should be used in all games within the same competition or none at all.

It’s ridiculous that if the game is played at a Premier or Championship ground it’s used, but any lower it’s not.

If the Sheffield Wednesday/Newcastle game had been played at SJP, Windass first goal would have been ruled out

So would Newcastle’s goal, so honours even on that one

Cooclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 4:26 pm

THE CAMERA WAS BROKEN. This occurred during the game.

The linesman flagged for offside. Since when do we say linesman are on the take and flagging fraudulently to ensure a top six club remains in a cup.

Have some sense man!

I see why you dropped the L!

Best article yet on the farce last night. Dean saw the tactical still but couldn’t be 100% certain - hmmmm. Feels 100% to me. That and the Salah thing (correct interpretation of a bad rule) means Liverpool should be out to join Chelsea and one of City or Arsenal.

As I always say, at the other end the winner is given.

https://theathletic.com/4068424/2023/01 ... =twitteruk

VAR will never work when they continue to use dodgy failed refs like Lee Mason

var stops it being a spectacle. i think it is the worst thing to happen to footy since the premier league. yes, even worse than the transfer window. we all watch footy because of the sport, not the administration of the sport.

if var is to stay they need to take the tennis approach - that is each team has a limited number of challenges using the system. probably 3 each.

also, the referee should always view any contention in real time and given twenty seconds to make a decision.

none of this will happen so i would scrap it all together. yeah, as if.

Good old Lee Mason at it again.

Skysports saying he “forgot” to draw the lines to check for an offside.

The man is a clown.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 12, 2023 1:33 pm

Good old Lee Mason at it again.

Skysports saying he “forgot” to draw the lines to check for an offside.

The man is a clown.

If that's true, he should be sacked.
This VAR lark - or at least its misuse - stinks stronger by the week.

What's people's opinion on how a vote would go for having VAR or scrapping it ?
I've certainly enjoyed this season without VAR and myself and most friends are opposed to it, although not all.
Alan Shearer is also opposed to it and i would guess most players would be in favour of scrapping it

Funny how people are shocked at ‘human error’ being the cause of a VAR mistake. Who did they think was watching the telly in that hut? A robot from the future?

Good to see the major culprits being named today

Neil Swarbrick
Lee Mason
John Brooks

PGMOL have now formally apologised to both Arsenal and Brighton.

West Ham were damn lucky Chelsea didn't get a peno awarded as well when Soucek handled.