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Wood burners
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:07 pm
by CaptainKirk
There was a topic on these a while ago but I can’t seem to find it.
I am looking for recommendations for someone to repair an existing fire and supply and fit a new one in another room.
Many thanks in advance!
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:10 pm
by Bosscat
Theres 2 topics now Jim
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:16 pm
by claptrappers_union
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:17 pm
by Bosscat
That makes 3
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:25 pm
by JordonP
Message me on my buisness page on facebook
jp master sweep i can help you out with fitting and supplying a new stove thanks jordon.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:30 pm
by CaptainKirk
Cheers
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:41 pm
by basil6345789
Illegal
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:19 am
by Exsus
I love mine.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:45 am
by morpheus2
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:41 am
by chadders
And guitars.
Nice one Morpheus2
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:34 am
by 2 Bee Holed
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:06 am
by Loyal Supporter
Please can you let me know when they became illegal. You haven't given much detail in your post. I was in the process of having one installed, but didn't know they were illegal.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:42 am
by Bordeauxclaret
Police have issued some letters and will be knocking on doors this weekend.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:34 am
by claretonthecoast1882
Just tell them your wood burner identifies as an air fryer and they leave without any charge
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:01 am
by Tribesmen
Hummm that dog has murder in it's eyes
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:15 am
by Claretforever
morpheus2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:45 am
Problem is, if you get a woodburner you gotta getta pooch to go with it!
Looks very cosy and toasty.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:22 am
by FulledgeClaret
yet there are accredited companies out there selling and installing them, I think you are misunderstanding the new legislation which from jan22 makes the sale and installing of any stove or fire that isnt an eco design model illegal but if you have an older design already installed they are perfectly legal.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:40 am
by Claretforever
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:47 am
by Rowls
“Burning wood can be relatively carbon neutral”
Unless you use a petrol chainsaw to cut it down, how exactly can burning wood fail to be “carbon neutral”?
Anybody got any answers to this?
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:06 am
by Bosscat
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:47 am
“Burning wood can be relatively carbon neutral”
Unless you use a petrol chainsaw to cut it down, how exactly can burning wood fail to be “carbon neutral”?
Anybody got any answers to this?
Electric Chainsaw
Thats what I have ... Ryobi Battery Saw ... charge battery during the daytime using solar
I don't have a log burner though
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:15 am
by Hipper
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 9:47 am
“Burning wood can be relatively carbon neutral”
Unless you use a petrol chainsaw to cut it down, how exactly can burning wood fail to be “carbon neutral”?
Anybody got any answers to this?
When you burn wood it releases CO2. How is that carbon neutral? The argument of course is if you plant the tree in the first place it will remove CO2 from the atmosphere, then you burn it and the CO2 is returned. How many people plant the trees that they burn? Or how many trees were planted with a view to burning? This is the whole weakness of the claims that the Drax power station (which burns wood pellets) is carbon neutral.
The main issue with wood burners is the particulate matter they throw in the air:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... data-shows
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:21 am
by Rowls
Hipper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:15 am
When you burn wood it releases CO2. How is that carbon neutral? The argument of course is if you plant the tree in the first place it will remove CO2 from the atmosphere, then you burn it and the CO2 is returned. How many people plant the trees that they burn? Or how many trees were planted with a view to burning? This is the whole weakness of the claims that the Drax power station (which burns wood pellets) is carbon neutral.
The main issue with wood burners is the particulate matter they throw in the air:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... data-shows
Surely burning wood can only release a maximum of carbon that the wood has absorbed?
It’s not as though trees are “creating” carbon: they take in co2 and make tree stuff (sorry for the scientific jargon).
It doesn’t matter if you deliberately plant a seed or accidentally pass an apple pip by pooping in the woods. The carbon equation is surely still neutral?
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:08 am
by Bosscat
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:21 am
Surely burning wood can only release a maximum of carbon that the wood has absorbed?
It’s not as though trees are “creating” carbon: they take in co2 and make tree stuff (sorry for the scientific jargon).
*It doesn’t matter if you deliberately plant a seed or accidentally pass an apple pip by pooping in the woods. The carbon equation is surely still neutral?
*Cannot fault that logic Rowls...
And Trees taking in co2 and making "Tree Stuff" brilliant analogy (will use that one in conversation
)
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:17 am
by durhamclaret
Dirty smelly wood burners, sorry but I don’t like em, the smell for the neighbours is horrendous
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:28 am
by Hipper
As I implied it's how you look at it. I look at it negatively! Add up all the CO2 in the atmosphere today. Now burn some wood. There will be more CO2 then there was before. We are apparently way higher then we should be with CO2 levels for our own safety so any action taken should attempt to reduce that. Burning wood today merely adds more. Your argument is just putting off the inevitable (actually reducing the CO2 levels) or creating more difficulties for everyone.
Trees (and plants and bacteria generally) also add oxygen to the atmosphere. Indeed it is the evolution of photosynthesis that is the cause of all the (natural, which is practically all for those pedants on here) oxygen in the atmosphere today.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:28 am
by AlargeClaret
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:21 am
Surely burning wood can only release a maximum of carbon that the wood has absorbed?
It’s not as though trees are “creating” carbon: they take in co2 and make tree stuff (sorry for the scientific jargon).
It doesn’t matter if you deliberately plant a seed or accidentally pass an apple pip by pooping in the woods. The carbon equation is surely still neutral?
Marvellous stuff Rowls
Rowls appears to have (possibly) single handily solved the world eco/energy crisis in one foul poop ! Like bears ,all we need to do is sh1t in the woods while having a diet rich in fruit and seeds . Thus propagating the land back to its green and pleasant “ Jerusalem-esque “ best , Huzzah!!
Ps Beauty spots like Tarn Hows maybe lose their lustre a little with the profusion of flabby pale buttocks on show .
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:01 pm
by morpheus2
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:21 am
Surely burning wood can only release a maximum of carbon that the wood has absorbed?
Maybe I'm stupid but Shirley the piece of wood we burn has absorbed CO2 over many many years and converted lots of it over many many years into that breathey stuff we use in our inflatey lung things and the CO2 released when we use the wood as warmy stuff is just the CO2 that is present in the woody stuff at the time of burning and may only have very recently been absorbed by the living leafy tree? But I didn't do wibbly wobbly tree science stuff at school so maybe I really am being stupid Shirley!
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:19 pm
by Bfc
I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:41 pm
by Rowls
Hipper wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:28 am
As I implied it's how you look at it. I look at it negatively! Add up all the CO2 in the atmosphere today. Now burn some wood. There will be more CO2 then there was before. We are apparently way higher then we should be with CO2 levels for our own safety so any action taken should attempt to reduce that. Burning wood today merely adds more. Your argument is just putting off the inevitable (actually reducing the CO2 levels) or creating more difficulties for everyone.
Trees (and plants and bacteria generally) also add oxygen to the atmosphere. Indeed it is the evolution of photosynthesis that is the cause of all the (natural, which is practically all for those pedants on here) oxygen in the atmosphere today.
Yes, can't fault your logic but the start point of your equation is when the wood gets burned. Hence you arrive at a "carbon positive" point, ie more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere than when you started.
That doesn't seem like a very logical way of looking at it because the tree drew that carbon out of the atmosphere in the first place.
If the only thing that mankind
ever burned was wood then surely this would be carbon neutral at very least?
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:45 pm
by basil6345789
You can't make smoke if you are in a "Smokeless Zone"
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:48 pm
by basil6345789
Bfc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:19 pm
I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.
If the decking was treated then you'll be belching out carcinogens into the neighbourhood.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:53 pm
by equinox
Bfc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:19 pm
I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.
If that decking has been treated with anything (highly likely) and you then burn it, you could be facing a lengthy spell in prison.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:57 pm
by Rowls
AlargeClaret wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:28 am
Marvellous stuff Rowls
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:41 pm
If the only thing that mankind
ever burned was wood then surely this would be carbon neutral at very least?
Copying you science-y people in so hopefully you can answer my question.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:02 pm
by Rowls
morpheus2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:01 pm
Maybe I'm stupid but Shirley the piece of wood we burn has absorbed CO2 over many many years and converted lots of it over many many years into that breathey stuff we use in our inflatey lung things and the CO2 released when we use the wood as warmy stuff is just the CO2 that is present in the woody stuff at the time of burning and may only have very recently been absorbed by the living leafy tree? But I didn't do wibbly wobbly tree science stuff at school so maybe I really am being stupid Shirley!
PS: Happy Birthday!
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:53 pm
by 2 Bee Holed
Bfc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:19 pm
I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.
What was the moisture content when you burned it? Was the timber treated?
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:22 pm
by equinox
2 Bee Holed wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:53 pm
What was the moisture content when you burned it? Was the timber treated?
See, gathering evidence, you are going down for a long, long time if you've burnt that decking.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:40 pm
by morpheus2
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:57 pm
Copying you science-y people in so hopefully you can answer my question.
If that be the case then I guess dipping my wood in raw crude oil prior to chucking into my wood burner is the way to go - those primeval rainforests must have done enough carbon eating in the dinasaury days to justify utilising the relatively small carbony residue from their previous huge oxygeny gift....in other words (if I haven't misunderstood your point) I like the cut of your jib - I'm on board!
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:03 pm
by 2 Bee Holed
equinox wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:22 pm
See, gathering evidence, you are going down for a long, long time if you've burnt that decking.
Chances are he will have damaged his flue liner too, let alone the environment.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:07 pm
by Rowls
morpheus2 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:40 pm
If that be the case then I guess dipping my wood in raw crude oil prior to chucking into my wood burner is the way to go - those primeval rainforests must have done enough carbon eating in the dinasaury days to justify utilising the relatively small carbony residue from their previous huge oxygeny gift....in other words (if I haven't misunderstood your point) I like the cut of your jib - I'm on board!
I'm doing my bit by only using pencils sparingly to save the carbon that has been captured within them.
I'm aiming to invest my savings into a diamond too. So far, I have £12.44 but that figure should grow once my bitcoin stock regains it's losses.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:17 pm
by durhamclaret
Bfc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:19 pm
I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.
Apart from the horrible stench that you are polluting the atmosphere with!
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:26 pm
by chipbutty
Bfc wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:19 pm
I have a multi stove, but mainly burn wood. One of my neighbours had removed their decking and loaded it onto a Skip, ready to go to the tip. They gave me permission to take it all (a lot). I’ve got 3 months of free heat.
I’ve saved more room on a landfill site and the neighbour saved £150 on hiring a 2nd Skip. All the screws left in the wood, I’ve removed from the ash and will be putting them in a metal skip. Winners all round.
3 months of free heat from someone's decking?
Was it from Buckingham Palace?
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 12:00 pm
by Hipper
Rowls wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:07 pm
I'm doing my bit by only using pencils sparingly to save the carbon that has been captured within them.
I'm aiming to invest my savings into a diamond too. So far, I have £12.44 but that figure should grow once my bitcoin stock regains it's losses.
Bitcoin and the like are themselves apparently the cause of considerable CO2 emissions via the extraordinary amount of energy their activity uses:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56012952
And more on wood burning in the UK:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ing-stoves
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:05 pm
by RMutt
I think someone at the Guardian must have burnt themselves on a log burner, they’ve been after them for ages now.
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the negative effects on public health compared to other potential causes, like, under investment in the NHS, problems getting a dental or doctor’s appointment, the effects of fast food outlets and poor diet etc, etc.
It looks like another soft target that gets plenty of publicity without really affecting public health.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:10 pm
by Rowls
RMutt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:05 pm
I think someone at the Guardian must have burnt themselves on a log burner, they’ve been after them for ages now.
Anything people like, enjoy or gives pleasure will become a target for Puritanical thinking.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:35 pm
by Bosscat
Not to sure about burning pressure treated timber in a woodburner ... don't they have chemicals such as arsenic in them
and wouldn't that be released in the soot.
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Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:39 pm
by lakedistrictclaret
I know that the opposition to woodburners relates to urban rather than rural areas, but where I live there is no mains gas and there are people in my village whose only form of heating is woodburners or open fires.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:55 pm
by basil6345789
They're for people in the country exactly for that reason. Not for Town Cheeses.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:57 pm
by IanMcL
Bosscat wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 1:35 pm
Not to sure about burning pressure treated timber in a woodburner ... don't they have chemicals such as arsenic in them
and wouldn't that be released in the soot.
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Not to mention the old lace!
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:49 am
by Gaia
The issue with log burners is they release fine particulate matter pm 2.5 both in the home and outside.
The term fine particles, or particulate matter 2.5 (PM2.5), refers to tiny particles or droplets in the air that are two and one half microns or less in width.
Studies suggest that long term exposure to fine particulate matter may be associated with increased rates of chronic bronchitis, reduced lung function and increased mortality from lung cancer and heart disease. People with breathing and heart problems, children and the elderly may be particularly sensitive to PM2.5.
Re: Wood burners
Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:10 am
by Belial
Gaia wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:49 am
The issue with log burners is they release fine particulate matter pm 2.5 both in the home and outside.
The term fine particles, or particulate matter 2.5 (PM2.5), refers to tiny particles or droplets in the air that are two and one half microns or less in width.
Studies suggest that long term exposure to fine particulate matter may be associated with increased rates of chronic bronchitis, reduced lung function and increased mortality from lung cancer and heart disease. People with breathing and heart problems, children and the elderly may be particularly sensitive to PM2.5.
Quite right...not to mention the release of VOCs and other harmful substances. The rise in use of woodburners is directly impacting local air quality and will be one of the next focuses following the scrutiny over vehicles in the past 5-10 years
As far as using them being carbon neutral....the key word is "can"....doesn't mean that is, and it relies on planting elsewhere to make up for the ones cut down and burned. There's also a sh1t tonne of carbon in a tree!
But yeah...burning decking is a bit daft really
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