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[chekhov]

Near post, really? Neville bang on the money for me.

It’s a cliché that a keeper shouldn’t be beaten at his near post. But if you take a moment to think about it, that’s all it is. The keeper has to protect ALL his goal AND cut out a potential cross. We never say “a goalie should never be beaten at his far post” because to do so would be nonsense.
Added to that the shot from Mahrez was very good and it took a deflection. Not a lot Lloris could do.

[Stayingup]

And still nowhere even close to United's......Be honest they were in the wilderness for far too long to make any immediate impact on United's superiority.

What are you on?

[Big Vinny K]

It’s a cliché that a keeper shouldn’t be beaten at his near post. But if you take a moment to think about it, that’s all it is. The keeper has to protect ALL his goal AND cut out a potential cross. We never say “a goalie should never be beaten at his far post” because to do so would be nonsense.
Added to that the shot from Mahrez was very good and it took a deflection. Not a lot Lloris could do.

It’s not a cliche - it’s about the angle the keeper should set himself.
It’s harder for a striker to hit the far post corner. So hard that a lot of times a player will just try and get a shot on target which is why protecting your near post and in front of you to save a shot is expected by a keeper. If it goes in the far corner there’s not much you can do as the keeper has set himself for the highest probability of where the ball will go ie his near post or straight at him

[Royboyclaret]

Utd have stagnated since Fergie left, 10yrs isn't it since their last league title?

City are now the dominant team in England, getting close to that first CL title and they've topped the Deloitte table for the last 2 yrs at least.

Utd are now trailing City, they will do until they can start being more than also rans in English cup competitions

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Steady now, GIADJ, United have won 3 European Cups, European Cup Winners Cups, Europa Leagues and many more when Man City were fortunate to be in the second tier of English football. City remain light years behind as a Club.

[ClaretTony]

On what planet? They've never even won a champions league to start with CT. I guess city are up there with the likes of Barcelona Madrid inter and Milan too loooool.

On what planet? No they haven’t won the CL but they are dominating English football. For years and years United were the bigger of the two but not in the last decade. Things change, and they’ve changed.

We will see how long City dominate but Newcastle are the most likely to be the threat.

[Stayingup]

Neville again! Handball against Richarlison??! You’re’avin a laugh mate!

Neville. The ultimate Oracle on every single subject you care to mention. Bigger mouth than the river Mersey.

[ClaretTony]

Steady now, GIADJ, United have won 3 European Cups, European Cup Winners Cups, Europa Leagues and many more when Man City were fortunate to be in the second tier of English football. City remain light years behind as a Club.

City are now light years ahead of United. Was it 2013 they last won the Premier League? Times have changed and you are comparing things that are in the past. Incredible you can’t see that.

[ClaretTony]

Neville. The ultimate Oracle on every single subject you care to mention. Bigger mouth than the river Mersey.

A phrase my dad used to use

[chekhov]

It’s not a cliche - it’s about the angle the keeper should set himself.
It’s harder for a striker to hit the far post corner. So hard that a lot of times a player will just try and get a shot on target which is why protecting your near post and in front of you to save a shot is expected by a keeper. If it goes in the far corner there’s not much you can do as the keeper has set himself for the highest probability of where the ball will go ie his near post or straight at him

You make a reasonable case Big Vinny K, but I’m going to stick with my view for the time being. Could be I’ve been influenced by something à goalkeeper said once.

[Big Vinny K]

City are light years ahead of Utd ,but will take many many years to achieve the stature that Utd have created over 60 yrs.

60 years ?
They were bang average for 2 decades in the 70s and 80s (anyone for Ralph Milne ?!!!)
They have been pretty average in the last decade too…..so that’s 30 years already.

They did not dominate the 1960s either.

City have still got a way to go for sure but it’s their time now and United are now happy to finish top 4 and have been for a while.

[Royboyclaret]

City are now light years ahead of United. Was it 2013 they last won the Premier League? Times have changed and you are comparing things that are in the past. Incredible you can’t see that.

As club, not as a current team.....Incredible you can't see that.

[ClaretTony]

As club, not as a current team.....Incredible you can't see that.

Yes as a club. Not so years ago but very much so now. In every way now. One successful with huge amounts of money playing at a fantastic stadium, the other unsuccessful with huge debt and playing in a stadium that is fast becoming not fit for purpose. For years United were the bigger of the two, even when they went a quarter of century without a title. But times have changed now and United will be hoping they can get a big buyer to try and restore them.

You were basing it a few posts back on what United had won, now you reckon it’s not the team.

[Royboyclaret]

"For years United were the bigger of the two"

That will do for me.

And City have years and years of catching up to do. And I can't even stand Man United.

[chekhov]

It’s not a cliche - it’s about the angle the keeper should set himself.

Could be I read thé Athletic article this clip is based on:
https://youtu.be/Q1SeJAPuvLw

[BurnleyFC]

For at least the last 8 or so years Man City have been by far the better team, but United are still the bigger club.

[Vegas Claret]

Pep nailing his players and fans, things you love to hear.

[1882Clarets1882]

As club, not as a current team.....Incredible you can't see that.

Problem with your argument is that city's "current team" has been superior for a decade now. I see young kids , more and more , wearing City Shirts where once they'd be wearing Utd. It's fair to assume this'll be happening the world over.If the clubs continue on the same trajectory as they have been on for , say , the last 15 years, City will have a greater global profile than their red neighbours have , admittedly, enjoyed in the past.

For what it's worth, were it possible to uproot a stadium AND training facilities and plonk them in Burnley. I'd choose the Etihad all day long.

[Vegas Claret]

For at least the last 8 or so years Man City have been by far the better team, but United are still the bigger club.

there's genuinely no comparison between the two, you have it spot on. City are decades away from being talked about in the same breath just as teams like PSG are

[Spijed]

Problem with your argument is that city's "current team" has been superior for a decade now. I see young kids , more and more , wearing City Shirts where once they'd be wearing Utd. It's fair to assume this'll be happening the world over.If the clubs continue on the same trajectory as they have been on for , say , the last 15 years, City will have a greater global profile than their red neighbours have , admittedly, enjoyed in the past.

For what it's worth, were it possible to uproot a stadium AND training facilities and plonk them in Burnley. I'd choose the Etihad all day long.

Liverpool are still one of the biggest clubs in the world despite winning one league title in decades.

[Jakubclaret]

Liverpool are still one of the biggest clubs in the world despite winning one league title in decades.

Without a shadow this season will probably be underwhelming for them if massive improvements don't start now, but next season they'll have the clout to make massive changes & be a force again, we are effectively talking about clubs who just sign cheques over for astronomical sums without even batting a eyelid & Liverpool can do just that.

[quoonbeatz]

Superior team and all the oil money will keep them there but city as a club are as plastic as they come, playing in their very smart but soulless theme park. Funny to see Pep having a go at their fans yet again.

Needs some doing up but Old Trafford, despite its size, still feels like a football ground.

[1882Clarets1882]

Liverpool are still one of the biggest clubs in the world despite winning one league title in decades.

Agreed. How did they become , "one of the biggest clubs in the world ?" By, as you say, winning titles. And that is just what City have been doing for the past decade. City are simply doing what the scousers did in the 70s.

Going forward, it may be more tricky for City to emulate Liverpool's success off the field as a global brand as the market place will probably become more conjested with the arrival of New Kids on The Block , Newcastle.

[GodIsADeeJay81]

Steady now, GIADJ, United have won 3 European Cups, European Cup Winners Cups, Europa Leagues and many more when Man City were fortunate to be in the second tier of English football. City remain light years behind as a Club.

As a club they're catching Utd in the trophy haul, steadily, but they're passing them elsewhere let's be honest.
The academy is churning out players that are sold for big sums, they're also part of the City group of clubs, whilst Utd never went past having loan partnerships years ago for their youth players.

Utd have ground to make up to catch city off the pitch that's for sure.

[maccclaret]

Needs some doing up but Old Trafford, despite its size, still feels like a football ground.

It needs knocking down not doing up. The away end feels tired, but going through one of three turnstiles for our cup game into a passageway barely wide enough for two people to stand side by side and then walking up a caged stairway felt more like a soviet era prison than a 21st century football ground.

[Cooclaret]

It’s a cliché that a keeper shouldn’t be beaten at his near post. But if you take a moment to think about it, that’s all it is. The keeper has to protect ALL his goal AND cut out a potential cross. We never say “a goalie should never be beaten at his far post” because to do so would be nonsense.
Added to that the shot from Mahrez was very good and it took a deflection. Not a lot Lloris could do.

From that angle the only way to score is ‘through’ the keeper. The deflection was irrelevant, it didn’t change the direction or height of the ball significantly. It’s not a cliche, it’s a maxim that is correct.

Keepers shouldn’t get beaten at their near post.

[Spijed]

Agreed. How did they become , "one of the biggest clubs in the world ?" By, as you say, winning titles. And that is just what City have been doing for the past decade. City are simply doing what the scousers did in the 70s.

Going forward, it may be more tricky for City to emulate Liverpool's success off the field as a global brand as the market place will probably become more conjested with the arrival of New Kids on The Block , Newcastle.

But in terms of fan bases it's pretty much locked in for every club. Man City won't need a stadium as big as Old Trafford, for example. Nor would we if we won the PL for the next 50 years.

[andyh]

Those older members can probably remember the big team on Merseyside being Everton. Things do change but very slowly over decades and generations.

[Carwin261]

60 years ?
They were bang average for 2 decades in the 70s and 80s (anyone for Ralph Milne ?!!!)
They have been pretty average in the last decade too…..so that’s 30 years already.

They did not dominate the 1960s either.

City have still got a way to go for sure but it’s their time now and United are now happy to finish top 4 and have been for a while.

I wasn’t saying that UTD had dominated for the last 60 yrs ,but due to the tragic Munich disaster they became one of the worlds best known clubs,was the first English team to win the European Cup ,& probably had a worldwide fan base before anyone ,and I’m not siding with either club,but it’s not always about winning trophy’s.

[Stayingup]

Problem with your argument is that city's "current team" has been superior for a decade now. I see young kids , more and more , wearing City Shirts where once they'd be wearing Utd. It's fair to assume this'll be happening the world over.If the clubs continue on the same trajectory as they have been on for , say , the last 15 years, City will have a greater global profile than their red neighbours have , admittedly, enjoyed in the past.

For what it's worth, were it possible to uproot a stadium AND training facilities and plonk them in Burnley. I'd choose the Etihad all day long.

Its an interesting discussion is this. When Royboy says that United are Superior, as a team in last years they clearly have not been. But as a club, at this time still, United have the most supporters. When I travelled around Asia, particluraly ASEAN countries I was surprised at the support that United and Liverpool had and still have. The buses in Bangkok, for example, often have a Liverpool badge on them. I thought then that it would take a while for the new petro/ State backed clubs - who were winning trophies - ie Chelsea and later United - to achieve this fame, if ever they could.

[1882Clarets1882]

But in terms of fan bases it's pretty much locked in for every club. Man City won't need a stadium as big as Old Trafford, for example. Nor would we if we won the PL for the next 50 years.

I know and agree with what your saying about us and our capacity needs and, for now, the same applies to City. I dont agree with the idea of fan bases being locked in. I think you may underestimate , nationally, the ebb and flow of fair weather fans who , while a teams winning , will turn up in numbers (Blackburn rovers / ? Chelsea )
Also , theres the great untapped resource of emerging countries globally, football wise, where new loyalties can be formed for a constantly trophy winning club . Which , for the foreseeable, can be City. For these countries potential fan base what happened in the past will be irrelevant.

To be honest I think only time will tell. I'll see you back here in 30 odd years!

[1882Clarets1882]

Its an interesting discussion is this. When Royboy says that United are Superior, as a team in last years they clearly have not been. But as a club, at this time still, United have the most supporters. When I travelled around Asia, particluraly ASEAN countries I was surprised at the support that United and Liverpool had and still have. The buses in Bangkok, for example, often have a Liverpool badge on them. I thought then that it would take a while for the new petro/ State backed clubs - who were winning trophies - ie Chelsea and later United - to achieve this fame, if ever they could.

Yeah , no doubt about it Utd are massive globally. Nobody's going to disagree with that. They've done it by winning trophies. However, should City continue to be successful I'm not sure that new generations of fans won't latch onto the blue half of Manchester. Although in an increasingly cramped global market place (Newcastle) it may not be as easy to muscle in on what had been Lpool and Utds preserve.

Mind you, City do have have big pockets (fair finance rules aside ) . When the Oil money came I remember a Manc wag coming on a radio phone in and poking a Utd fan saying, "remember this mate, every time you fill your petrol tank up , you're buying us a new centre forward !"

[Stayingup]

Its an interesting discussion is this. When Royboy says that United are Superior, as a team in last years they clearly have not been. But as a club, at this time still, United have the most supporters. When I travelled around Asia, particluraly ASEAN countries I was surprised at the support that United and Liverpool had and still have. The buses in Bangkok, for example, often have a Liverpool badge on them. I thought then that it would take a while for the new petro/ State backed clubs - who were winning trophies - ie Chelsea and later United - to achieve this fame, if ever they could.

Correction. Later City!!! Oops.

[claretcarrot93]

Man City will never be a bigger club than Man Utd. Not even an argument