Realistically can we keep VC long term ?

kenyon6923 · Post by **kenyon6923** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:46 am

IF we get promoted (fingers crossed but looking good) then I am sure VC will want to have a crack at the premier league with a team he's virtually built, definitely moulded but will the crunch time be end of season 2023-2024 depending how we have done ??
The problem is during a season so many jobs become available and look at the way Gerrard and Lampard were "fast tracked". Then again those 2 still alot to prove at the top of the management game.

Granny WeatherWax · Post by **Granny WeatherWax** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:48 am

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:01 am

His progress will be being monitored, just like any up and coming manager who's playing football the fashionable way
They'll want to see how he gets on for his first PL season and then he's going to start getting offers from elsewhere.
He may even get some this summer, but I may want to do at least one PL season with us.

BabylonClaret · Post by **BabylonClaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:08 am

leelad · Post by **leelad** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:24 am

No, his tenure at the club won't be as long as Dyche for e.g
Hopefully we get promoted this season, then he gives us one season in the Prem with a squad that he has built and moulded.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:27 am

How long is long term. For a manager these days it’s probably 3 years. I think Alex Neil, hired by Stoke in October, is the 11th longest serving manager in the Championship currently. So can we keep him for 3 years, possibly. He will stay with us next season, if we have a blinder in the PL it might be tricky after that. Somewhere between 2-3 seasons I think.

kenyon6923 · Post by **kenyon6923** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:40 am

Sorry VK

kenyon6923 · Post by **kenyon6923** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:42 am

With Artera "settled" at Arsenal a team he once played for, could it be either Vieria or VK following Pep ?

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:51 am

He'll be on the shortlist for every PL team looking for a manager now. He won't be here in 12 months

Darnhill Claret · Post by **Darnhill Claret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:59 am

We had very similar comments from when SD got us to the Premier. The truth is that we have no idea. Money may not be the driving factor. VK from what we think we know, may feel that ‘his project’, allied to a happy domestic life is all important. What if VK can prove everyone wrong as to what levels he can achieve with a small, tiny club like ours. Maybe he can prove his quality with us. I do think that he will want to return to Man City. Maybe Pep has a few more years yet. Maybe he doesn’t need another club between us and them.
We need to enjoy his time here and not worry too much about ‘how long’.

mybloodisclaret · Post by **mybloodisclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:03 am

It's such a shame to have a thread like this. In 7 months he has made us fashionable and unstoppable at this level at least.

It takes time to change an image of a club but he has done it so fast.

I suspect we will keep him until the end of next season and then when offers start coming in it becomes a little hairier.

On a plus, he knows he is worshipped here, his family all live just down the road which must be massive, and he is earning an absolute fortune, deservedly so.

On a negative, we are small fry in the Prem and Vinny and his time carry massive appeal.

Let's enjoy it whilst it lasts, once in a lifetime type manager, I have been going on 30 years.

NewClaret · Post by **NewClaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:08 am

mybloodisclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:03 am
It's such a shame to have a thread like this….

Let's enjoy it whilst it lasts, once in a lifetime type manager, I have been going on 30 years.

Exactly. It’s like bagging a super fit missus and then spending all your time worrying when she’ll leave you!

Yeah she’ll get her head turned at some point but just enjoy the ride!

BigChaCha · Post by **BigChaCha** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:08 am

We had very similar comments from when SD got us to the Premier. The truth is that we have no idea.

You make some good points but completely different scenarios... We will be extremely lucky to keep him for more than another season, maybe two more at most...

Alan Pace will know that and we will already have a shortlist of replacements who have a similar philosophy to VK.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:10 am

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:59 am
We need to enjoy his time here and not worry too much about ‘how long’.

This.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:15 am

I’m convinced we will get at least next season out of him. We do though need to have a plan for when the time comes that we do part ways.

Next season will be really interesting to see how the team and Vincent himself adapt to a much greater challenge.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:16 am

He deserves a VC.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:31 am

Not a chance.
I don't believe he'll leave for just a.n.other job, but when a top, top club comes, and they surely will, he'll be gone.
I just hope we get a couple of seasons at the top first, and he leaves us in a healthy position on and off the pitch.

PremierLeagueClass · Post by **PremierLeagueClass** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:46 am

If I was Kompany, I’d stay with Burnley in the Premier League and wait for the big 6 to come calling. I don’t think he’ll necessarily need the stepping stone of a West Ham, Villa, Everton etc.

Provided the success continues, it’s inevitable he will leave. However, we will be in an excellent position to attract other up and coming managers that will seek to emulate Kompanys success.

I’m sure Pace is already planning for who can come in to continue the good work. I think we will be looking for a similar profile. The model of bringing in young talent to sell on for a profit is much easier when you can identify and attract players from abroad.

TheOriginalLongsider · Post by **TheOriginalLongsider** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:47 am

One of the reasons he came to us was his wife being close to her family. I really don’t see him leaving unless it’s the Man City job or Pace stops backing him on bringing players in.

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:49 am

No

Just enjoy it while we have him

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:50 am

I think it’s difficult to know his next move. Realistically, it’s a club like Villa, Everton, Spurs, West Ham etc - but these are all poisoned chalice clubs, if he goes to them and ‘fails’ (comparatively speaking), he won’t get the City job. Look at Gerrard’s stock now after Villa. I think he might go to a bigger club abroad after us as his next stop before City. He seems a very intelligent man, I think he’ll be canny with his career choices.

How long will we have him? I reckon another two seasons.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:55 am

Depends how we do if we go up

Quickenthetempo · Post by **Quickenthetempo** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:05 am

We will get at least a season in the prem out of him.

Local family roots etc..

He will be sought after, no doubt, but there's no sentiment in football at the top. If he took the City job and lost 5 games he would be out on his ear.

Like Gerrard, if he took a middle size club over and failed his dream job would be scuppered.

So it would all have to be perfect for him to leave.

Bordeauxclaret · Post by **Bordeauxclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:07 am

Amazing to think it’s still very early days at Burnley.
Enjoy it while he’s here, he looks destined for the top.

Quicknick · Post by **Quicknick** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:11 am

We'll keep him until we've done a Nottm Forest late 70s stunt: promotion, league title, European Cup. All in three years. One better than them, though, as we'll finish top of this league.

HiThere · Post by **HiThere** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:14 am

For me the question is more: "Will Alan Pace target someone who can keep us playing football this way?"

We now have a system in place both on and off the pitch, which is just as much down to Pace as it is VK.

Firthy · Post by **Firthy** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:20 am

He's young for a manager and has many years ahead of him. I do think he'll replace Pep at City one day but I don't think he'll be in a hurry to move into such a highly pressured job so hopefully at least a couple of seasons in the Premier League. Let's just enjoy the ride while it lasts.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 11:01 am

I am encouraged by the fact that every time VK speaks about Burnley FC and the team performance he adds that this is a “long term (3 years) project” to get the team where he would like it to be.
I would therefore hope that he will not decide to jump ship as soon as we get promoted. Players are joining now from Belgium because they want to play under VK so let’s hope he sticks with us (and them) for at least another season.
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AlargeClaret · Post by **AlargeClaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:27 pm

Pretty sure we’ll get next season out of him , but if he’s doing the business we all know the job he won’t be able to turn down . Just enjoy the ride

FCBurnley · Post by **FCBurnley** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:50 pm

The players signing for us are here to play for VK. Ekdal just signed for 4.5 years and I don’t believe he would do that if he thought VK was off anytime soon. Who better as a ch to gave as your coach

Boss Hogg · Post by **Boss Hogg** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:51 pm

Think he’ll need to do a PL season with us but then who knows. Probably not long term but he also has a lot of control here that he wouldn’t get elsewhere and without the pressure. He could go straight from us to a top 6 club though if he bides his time.

Muric Leggings · Post by **Muric Leggings** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:35 pm

We will be lucky if we can keep him till the end of the season sacking season is about to start in the Premier league he could be gone in weeks.

Jakubclaret · Post by **Jakubclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 2:38 pm

It comes in 3s & after SD & if VK was to leave they'd be nothing stopping somebody else coming in & hitting the ground running, debt aside the foundations aren't bad.

AfloatinClaret · Post by **AfloatinClaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:34 pm

Boss Hogg wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:51 pm
Think he’ll need to do a PL season with us but then who knows... He could go straight from us to a top 6 club...

I can see the latter, but fear we may lose him much earlier if we make an impressive start in next season's EPL.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:43 pm

Let's hope he stays for the statue!

One alongside Mr D would be very apt. We owe much to them both.

Middle-agedClaret · Post by **Middle-agedClaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:12 pm

claret54 · Post by **claret54** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:40 pm

If you were advising VK on his long term development you would definitely say stay at Burnley for at least 3seasons. Managers need to develop their skills.
Gerrard should have stayed at Rangers. Get more experience, learn.
Lampard should have stayed at Derby and developed his skills. It's hard to be a good manager. VK was ok at Anderlecht but nothing special. Now he is special here but it's 6 months. He should stay here for 3 seasons for his own development.

CombatClaret · Post by **CombatClaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 5:57 pm

You'd hope he's smart enough not to jump ship to the first mid-table perennial which finds itself in trouble. But if we absolutely tank he might be tempted, just to stay in the top tier.

Long term he'll have his eye on the City job.

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:08 pm

claptrappers_union wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 21, 2023 8:51 am
He'll be on the shortlist for every PL team looking for a manager now. He won't be here in 12 months

Looking at the betting for the next Everton manager Sean Dyche is around 5/4 or 6/4 whilst VK can be backed at odds ranging from 25/1 to 33/1.
Players are signing from the Belgian leagues and in interviews post joining are saying that they signed to join VK on the journey. VK has consistently stated that the job at Burnley is a 3 years project. No club focusing on PL survival would appoint VK who would have no time to bring in and mould a group of players to play in the style that he wanted.

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:09 pm

What Vincent wants may surprise you yet.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:17 pm

long term for a manager these days is about 6 months - whoever follows him is going to have an incredibly difficult job though

claptrappers_union · Post by **claptrappers_union** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:24 pm

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:08 pm
Looking at the betting for the next Everton manager Sean Dyche is around 5/4 or 6/4, whilst VK can be backed at odds ranging from 25/1 to 33/1.
Players are signing from the Belgian leagues and in interviews post joining are saying that they signed to join VK on the journey. VK has consistently stated that the job at Burnley is a 3 years project. No club focusing on PL survival would appoint VK who would have no time to bring in and mould a group of players to play in the style that he wanted.

A few things about this, firstly money talks. Another is that if the board adequately backs Kompany and is on track with the vision that is agreed-upon, he is more likely to stay in the job... But interest from a Champions League outfit or a club with those aspirations will undoubtedly appeal.

Regarding players signing for the manager, that's the case with all players. Most contracts are between 3-5 years now; it's only when it for a player is of a certain age that the duration it's lower usually.

Also, players will be asked about Vincent Kompany because of his profile; they'd say positive things about Sean Dyche, Steve Bruce or Darren Ferguson; it's just that they won't be pressed on that.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:28 pm

3 years Burnley
10 years City
3 years Belgium who win the World Cup in 1938 !!

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:32 pm

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:28 pm
3 years Burnley
10 years City
3 years Belgium who win the World Cup in 1938 !!

Wow is he going to find a time machine

kentonclaret · Post by **kentonclaret** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:42 pm

claptrappers_union wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:24 pm
A few things about this, firstly money talks. Another is that if the board adequately backs Kompany and is on track with the vision that is agreed-upon, he is more likely to stay in the job... But interest from a Champions League outfit or a club with those aspirations will undoubtedly appeal.

Regarding players signing for the manager, that's the case with all players. Most contracts are between 3-5 years now; it's only when it for a player is of a certain age that the duration it's lower usually.

Also, players will be asked about Vincent Kompany because of his profile; they'd say positive things about Sean Dyche, Steve Bruce or Darren Ferguson; it's just that they won't be pressed on that.

A glut of foreign signings from the Belgian leagues which VK knows so well is slightly different to predominantly British players joining us from Bristol City or Stoke and working under Dyche or Bruce. The big draw for these players joining Burnley is to work under VK and they would not be signing for us if he was not the manager. Both of the signings in January thus far are from Belgium and known to VK.

Transpennine · Post by **Transpennine** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:14 pm

No such thing as long term in management. Let's not forget, we couldn't even keep hold of Coyle 12 years ago after half a season in the prem. And he only went to Bolton.
Enjoy it now, of course he'll leave for better things, but by default that means he's been successful for us. That's how it works.

Could be worse; we could be managed by Citehs other former centre half Kolo Toure'

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Sat Jan 21, 2023 9:18 pm

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:28 pm
3 years Burnley
10 years City
3 years Belgium who win the World Cup in 1938 !!

He also wins the Spanish Civil War.

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:13 am

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 21, 2023 7:28 pm
3 years Burnley
10 years City
3 years Belgium who win the World Cup in 1938 !!

Even 2038

MT03ALG · Post by **MT03ALG** » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:18 am

MT03ALG wrote: ↑
Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:13 am
Even 2038

Belgium: last 16 in 1938, Winners in 2038

HunterST_BFC · Post by **HunterST_BFC** » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:19 am

We'll get a fair few pumpings in the PL with our team as it stands - and possibly pump some also?

It depends on the Board, signing or retaining loans -M
More importantly adequately replaceing those loans re-called or players sold.

Right now I see him staying ... until "our finances prevent further progress".

We are Great! ... But We Are Small !
Dougal.