Burnley versus Manchester United from 1902.

The Turf has changed a bit!

https://fb.watch/iegkLl-ErP/

fidelcastro wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:14 pm

Burnley versus Manchester United from 1902.

The Turf has changed a bit!

https://fb.watch/iegkLl-ErP/

Wow, that's sensational film from 120 years ago. Sadly we lost the game 0-2 with an estimated crowd of 4,000.

Just two stands at that time, the original Brunshaw Road stand with the Star stand on the opposite side.

what time did you get back home Fidel ?

Marney&Mee wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:00 pm

what time did you get back home Fidel ?

He went with Accy Clarets so was about 1906

been posted on here and the other place a dozen times but i never tire of seeing it.

i always try to see the landmarks like that tree to try to landmark the positions.

The advert on the stand roof said Flake cost 4d per ounce. Wonder what Twix cost?

dsr wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 23, 2023 11:44 pm

The advert on the stand roof said Flake cost 4d per ounce. Wonder what Twix cost?

Haha
That was my first thought.

2nd was no Bene' in those days...

There was a more reliable train service in those days

Just an addage but was this also the first recording on film of The Clarets?

Can't get my bearings on this - Is the stand with the Flake advertisement where the Longside is, and the other stand where the Bob Lord is?

Burnley centre in the distance at 0.39?

The house in the far corner of the 'Flake' stand - Would that be near enough where the Cricket Club is?

Chuckypad wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:50 pm

Can't get my bearings on this - Is the stand with the Flake advertisement where the Longside is, and the other stand where the Bob Lord is?

Burnley centre in the distance at 0.39?

The house in the far corner of the 'Flake' stand - Would that be near enough where the Cricket Club is?

I would say so. The mill chimneys would be in the direction of the town, rather than lower Brunshaw

As the players come out theres a supporter bottom right, that I'm sure is CT.

Chuckypad wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:50 pm

Can't get my bearings on this - Is the stand with the Flake advertisement where the Longside is, and the other stand where the Bob Lord is?

Burnley centre in the distance at 0.39?

The house in the far corner of the 'Flake' stand - Would that be near enough where the Cricket Club is?

That 'house' would almost certainly be the old cricket pavilion.

Took me a while to realise that Bulldog flake was tobacco and when googled it’s still sold !

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:33 pm

Wow, that's sensational film from 120 years ago. Sadly we lost the game 0-2 with an estimated crowd of 4,000.

Just two stands at that time, the original Brunshaw Road stand with the Star stand on the opposite side.

Turf Moor......the most famous of all famous old grounds.

Is this an appropriate thread/time to take a, not too serious, walk through how the Turf has developed over the years into the wonderful stadium that we are part of today.

All started at the end of the 19th century with the original Brunshaw Road stand, the Star stand opposite and open ends at both the Cricket Field and Bee Hole End. More than sufficient capacity at that time to cope with gates of around 6,000. Then came the Man Utd cup replay in 1909 when, incredibly, the Star stand was moved back to allow an enclosure in front, to facilitate a crowd of 16,850.

Before the start of WW1 the Star stand was demolished and replaced with a "natural mound" which ran all the way alongside the now Longside and beyond the Bee Hole End. Now, in terms of attendances, the sky was the limit and in 1924, for an FA Cup tie against Huddersfield, 54,775 packed into the Turf.

Little happened between the two World Wars but in 1948 the Longside was developed and six years later a roof appeared. Plenty more followed but, to whet the appetite, here are two dates......

......Last game for the Cricket Field terracing v. Everton 30.Dec.'67 and Last game for the old Brunshaw Road stand v. Sunderland 23.Apr.'69.

tally wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 2:29 pm

Just an addage but was this also the first recording on film of The Clarets?

Confirmed to be the first ever recording of Man Utd, so unlikely to be an earlier one of the Clarets.

Unless someone knows differently ??

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 7:09 pm

Turf Moor......the most famous of all famous old grounds.

Is this an appropriate thread/time to take a, not too serious, walk through how the Turf has developed over the years into the wonderful stadium that we are part of today.

All started at the end of the 19th century with the original Brunshaw Road stand, the Star stand opposite and open ends at both the Cricket Field and Bee Hole End. More than sufficient capacity at that time to cope with gates of around 6,000. Then came the Man Utd cup replay in 1909 when, incredibly, the Star stand was moved back to allow an enclosure in front, to facilitate a crowd of 16,850.

Before the start of WW1 the Star stand was demolished and replaced with a "natural mound" which ran all the way alongside the now Longside and beyond the Bee Hole End. Now, in terms of attendances, the sky was the limit and in 1924, for an FA Cup tie against Huddersfield, 54,775 packed into the Turf.

Little happened between the two World Wars but in 1948 the Longside was developed and six years later a roof appeared. Plenty more followed but, to whet the appetite, here are two dates......

......Last game for the Cricket Field terracing v. Everton 30.Dec.'67 and Last game for the old Brunshaw Road stand v. Sunderland 23.Apr.'69.

Genuine question, did they move the Star stand back temporarily, or was it permanent?

ChrisG wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:10 pm

Genuine question, did they move the Star stand back temporarily, or was it permanent?

Permanantly, Chris......It had disappeared by the 4th round replay against Sunderland in March 1914.

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:17 pm

Permanantly, Chris......It had disappeared by the 4th round replay against Sunderland in March 1914.

Thank you, it's really difficult to imagine buildings in different positions than you expect nowadays

ChrisG wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:43 pm

Thank you, it's really difficult to imagine buildings in different positions than you expect nowadays

It must have been a momentous decision by the Board to move the stand back for that one particular match, and yet the decision was justified with the gate of 16,850 for the match. Man Utd must have been one hell of a pull even so far back.

Just looking again at the photo of the FA Cup replay against Sunderland in 1914 with an absolutely packed Longside. No concrete steps back then, just a natural mound. Can't see an official attendance given but must have been in excess of 40,000. On our way to FA Cup winners against Liverpool some three months later. What a team.

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑

Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:02 pm

Confirmed to be the first ever recording of Man Utd, so unlikely to be an earlier one of the Clarets.

Unless someone knows differently ??

I think those early filmmakers from Blackburn had some very early footage, that looked to have Burnley still wearing green. They used to visit towns shoot for the day and then put them on in the towns theatre for paying punters. They found a treasure trove of stuff no-one knew existed. Bits turn up now and again on documentaries about the period.

The Beehole end bogs were just in the planning stage back then.

elwaclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Jan 25, 2023 1:22 am

I think those early filmmakers from Blackburn had some very early footage, that looked to have Burnley still wearing green. They used to visit towns shoot for the day and then put them on in the towns theatre for paying punters. They found a treasure trove of stuff no-one knew existed. Bits turn up now and again on documentaries about the period.

Hard to imagine that we had green shirts as our choice of colour, but that clearly was the case from the early 1900's until the start of the 1910/11 season. By this time results and performances were poor and it was decided to switch to the colours of a successful First Division team.

The claret and blue of Aston Villa was chosen and, of course, the rest is history. We even won promotion the very next season.