VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:42 pm
Hopefully he doesn’t mince his words in the presser. Single-handedly one the lost shambolic refereeing ‘performances’ I’ve ever seen on the Turf.
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Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:48 pm
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Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:57 pm
Not the reason we’re losing though. Only got ourselves to blame.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:58 pm
Don't blame the ref,blame our poor performance,We played right into Watfords hands.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:08 pm
I thought he got most calls right to be fair.
Watford took it to the line and kept it there , like dyche of old.. broke game up , time wasted . But not a lot ref can do but add time on , and there probably should have been 3 more of them
Watford took it to the line and kept it there , like dyche of old.. broke game up , time wasted . But not a lot ref can do but add time on , and there probably should have been 3 more of them
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:10 pm
Yes but seemed to fall for most of their tricks and missed a couple of assaults on ours
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:11 pm
It was a scrap and they brought us down to their level, and we allowed them to. We stopped playing our own game and played theirs
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:12 pm
he got 95% correct, not his fault we couldn't string two passes togther all night. Great point in the end
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:12 pm
Regular calls perhaps. Big calls - absolutely shambolic. Gave them every free kick when we went in too hard, gave us very little. Barnes booked for nothing, then the player Barnes “assaulted” for his yellow drags him to the ground by his neck and should’ve been a red and a penalty - nothing. That for me is unforgivable for any ref to do that. He definitely saw it too, but thought Barnes was play acting because of the previous incident.
Joke, absolute joke.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:15 pm
Big hits on Al-Dakhil and Tella too.Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:12 pmRegular calls perhaps. Big calls - absolutely shambolic. Gave them every free kick when we went in too hard, gave us very little. Barnes booked for nothing, then the player Barnes “assaulted” for his yellow drags him to the ground by his neck and should’ve been a red and a penalty - nothing. That for me is unforgivable for any ref to do that. He definitely saw it too, but thought Barnes was play acting because of the previous incident.
Joke, absolute joke.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:16 pm
Watching on TV and Andy Hinchcliffe was full of praise for the Referee
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:16 pm
Thought the ref did fine in general. Couple of odd decisions. Some of the antics from Barnes and their play acting were embarrassing, mind.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:18 pm
Difficult game to ref, seen much worse performances this season. Watford played right on the edge like we used to, people never complained then.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:18 pm
watch it back - Barnes instigated the whole thingRick_Muller wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:12 pmRegular calls perhaps. Big calls - absolutely shambolic. Gave them every free kick when we went in too hard, gave us very little. Barnes booked for nothing, then the player Barnes “assaulted” for his yellow drags him to the ground by his neck and should’ve been a red and a penalty - nothing. That for me is unforgivable for any ref to do that. He definitely saw it too, but thought Barnes was play acting because of the previous incident.
Joke, absolute joke.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:18 pm
Barnes was too busy skull-duggering. He could have been sent off several times. Sadly, several players followed his lead.
We need to be more clinical, calm and professional. Our young players have the talent.
We need to be more clinical, calm and professional. Our young players have the talent.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:20 pm
Barnes was bloody stupid tonight...could easily have been sent off.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:21 pm
Barnes WAS play acting. It was a case of 6 and two 3’s and the ref got it absolutely right.Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:12 pmRegular calls perhaps. Big calls - absolutely shambolic. Gave them every free kick when we went in too hard, gave us very little. Barnes booked for nothing, then the player Barnes “assaulted” for his yellow drags him to the ground by his neck and should’ve been a red and a penalty - nothing. That for me is unforgivable for any ref to do that. He definitely saw it too, but thought Barnes was play acting because of the previous incident.
Joke, absolute joke.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:22 pm
I have watched it back - starts off as six and two threes. Then Ash is dragged to the ground. Have you watched how the Watford player got Ash booked? That’s bloody disgraceful for a grown man to “die” on the pitch like that. Bloke needs to get to hospital because if he’s going down like that he’s got a major health problem!
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:22 pm
The ref wasn’t good but you can’t blame him wholly for our performance, I haven’t seen us give the ball away so much all season. Tella, Maatsen, Zaroury and others made loads of awful passes under no pressure at all. We seem to play better and control games better when Cork is in midfield with Cullen.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:22 pm
I agree, the crowd seemed to buy the stupid antics of some of our players tonight.
Couldn’t pass for toffee so started acting like babies
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:23 pm
Difficult for the ref. A lot of shenanigans going on. Not an easy job for the ref
The players did their best to make him look shambolic.
Thought we mullered 'em. Absolutely dominated but a 10 man strong defence was always going to be difficult to break through.
The players did their best to make him look shambolic.
Thought we mullered 'em. Absolutely dominated but a 10 man strong defence was always going to be difficult to break through.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:23 pm
That is fair comment about our performance too.Vino blanco wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:22 pmThe ref wasn’t good but you can’t blame him wholly for our performance, I haven’t seen us give the ball away so much all season. Tella, Maatsen, Zaroury and others made loads of awful passes under no pressure at all. We seem to play better and control games better when Cork is in midfield with Cullen.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:25 pm
agree regarding the watford player but Barnes drags the Watford lad down using all his experience, it's as clear as can be. Good point in the end though, can't blame the red for us not being able to pass to each otherRick_Muller wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:22 pmI have watched it back - starts off as six and two threes. Then Ash is dragged to the ground. Have you watched how the Watford player got Ash booked? That’s bloody disgraceful for a grown man to “die” on the pitch like that. Bloke needs to get to hospital because if he’s going down like that he’s got a major health problem!
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:28 pm
Thought he made a few bad calls early on & got the crowd on his back.
He wasn't the worst we've had this season.
He wasn't the worst we've had this season.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:36 pm
From what I could see on TV, the ref got most of it right. Some early calls that the fans were moaning about were correct decisions. I didn't enjoy watching the way Watford played but they got that early goal which was gifted and then dug in.
I don't mind teams fighting for points but aren't they supposed to be a big club with lots of exciting players?
Oh well, we kept fighting and did well to get a point when I thought all was lost but I couldn't blame the ref for any of that, really.
I don't mind teams fighting for points but aren't they supposed to be a big club with lots of exciting players?
Oh well, we kept fighting and did well to get a point when I thought all was lost but I couldn't blame the ref for any of that, really.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:40 pm
Also, I would love to know how the ref, from well outside the penalty area, can see Barnes supposedly nip the lad, yet didn't see the same lad backhand Al-Dakil in the face. He was at it at every corner and Barnes got dragged into it, but he (the Watford lad) should have at least have a yellow card tonight.Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:22 pmI have watched it back - starts off as six and two threes. Then Ash is dragged to the ground. Have you watched how the Watford player got Ash booked? That’s bloody disgraceful for a grown man to “die” on the pitch like that. Bloke needs to get to hospital because if he’s going down like that he’s got a major health problem!
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:41 pm
Funny how you can watch the same game and come up with absolutely polar opposite opinions. I thought he was good.Milltown1882 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:42 pmHopefully he doesn’t mince his words in the presser. Single-handedly one the lost shambolic refereeing ‘performances’ I’ve ever seen on the Turf.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:42 pm
funnily enough it was only the ref's decisions that got the crowd going !Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:28 pmThought he made a few bad calls early on & got the crowd on his back.
He wasn't the worst we've had this season.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:42 pm
Let's not forget that our play acting tonight was worse than theirs.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:42 pm
Barnes dragged to the ground? Red? Really? Barnes neck rolled him and followed him down…Rick_Muller wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:12 pmRegular calls perhaps. Big calls - absolutely shambolic. Gave them every free kick when we went in too hard, gave us very little. Barnes booked for nothing, then the player Barnes “assaulted” for his yellow drags him to the ground by his neck and should’ve been a red and a penalty - nothing. That for me is unforgivable for any ref to do that. He definitely saw it too, but thought Barnes was play acting because of the previous incident.
Joke, absolute joke.
Absolute Sh*thousery from Barnes
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:43 pm
Watched on TV and ref didn’t get much wrong. Some stuff went our way some went theirs. Barnes should have been booked in the first half. Swings and roundabouts.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:45 pm
You dont think they were up for it, those first 10 minutes?Vegas Claret wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:42 pmfunnily enough it was only the ref's decisions that got the crowd going !
Reckon they started to really get on his back around 20 mins. ( but i could be wrong as the beer was good )
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:48 pm
ref got most decisions right, but didn't control the game, which played to Watford's advantage and we got suckered into it
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:49 pm
The ref was a shocker. Saying Burnley players couldn't pass to each other is a bit daft, have a look at the passing stats.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:50 pm
We have certainly got into bad habits of niggly fouls.
We pick up far too many bookings for not many advantages.
It worked against us after a good start. Stopped momentum.
We pick up far too many bookings for not many advantages.
It worked against us after a good start. Stopped momentum.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:54 pm
He was dreadful. Was clear early on it was all going to be about him. Also a word for the two linesmen who were equally appalling!
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:56 pm
Lot of falling down and play acting pretending to be badly injured by both sides, and it got silly at times
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:59 pm
The spell in the 2nd half was ridiculous booked Barnes for a push on their 44 and then he did exactly the same on three separate occasions off the ball and not once did the ref who hasn’t seen it bother to consult his assistant.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:59 pm
The referee wanted the game to be about him tonight. That said, we were poor all over compared with our normal levels.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 10:59 pm
Thought the ref was a lot better than some we’ve had ,we were as bad as Watford ,a lot of play acting ,getting plaudits from across the board ,but not a good look all the diving ,& whinging we did tonight.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:01 pm
He got the big decisions wrong in my opinion… had no control of the game leading to the silly shananingins throughout much of the game
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:02 pm
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:06 pm
The ref was total shite missed most of Watford attempted mugging and an assault on Ekdal who was clearly punched in the face
Hopefully a retrospective ban is given once this cgecked
Hopefully a retrospective ban is given once this cgecked
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:09 pm
Wasn't happy with some of our play acting tonight. I know some people will say it's part of the game but i hate to see us doing it.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:11 pm
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:13 pm
He was very poor tbhMilltown1882 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 9:42 pmHopefully he doesn’t mince his words in the presser. Single-handedly one the lost shambolic refereeing ‘performances’ I’ve ever seen on the Turf.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:17 pm
Some utter guff being spouted here. Watford did a job on us by and large and the ref was fine. We'd have helped ourselves by not going down with theatrics.
As for that Barnes yellow - we've been told how much of a menace he is for nipping, standing on feet etc for almost a decade. Barnes had two hands on their lads torso before he went down. Likely Ash did create that situation, after which Barnes was clearly looking to give the defender and ref a quandry by going to ground at will. It almost worked but with the quality in this team i'd sooner watch us try and play football rather than fall over.
The best shout for a pen looked to be the one on Tella before all that but the ongoing nonsence meant we didn't even see a replay of that particular incident.
As for that Barnes yellow - we've been told how much of a menace he is for nipping, standing on feet etc for almost a decade. Barnes had two hands on their lads torso before he went down. Likely Ash did create that situation, after which Barnes was clearly looking to give the defender and ref a quandry by going to ground at will. It almost worked but with the quality in this team i'd sooner watch us try and play football rather than fall over.
The best shout for a pen looked to be the one on Tella before all that but the ongoing nonsence meant we didn't even see a replay of that particular incident.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:20 pm
If you were on the game, I can well imagine you are incensed by the referee. If you had watched it on TV you would have see that 85% of what has annoyed you is actually play acting by the players. It's pure and simple cheating and sadly both sets of players were as bad as each other.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:21 pm
I got the impression on the pre-match I’ve just watched that Kompany felt we let them bully us too much in the first game. Think he was expecting a niggly struggle tonight.
Re: VK on the referee
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:23 pm
But the ref then missed their player dragging ours to the floor on three separate occasions while we waited for the corner to be taken. Total lack of consistency but that seems to the the norm at this level.what_no_pies wrote: ↑Tue Feb 14, 2023 11:17 pmSome utter guff being spouted here. Watford did a job on us by and large and the ref was fine. We'd have helped ourselves by not going down with theatrics.
As for that Barnes yellow - we've been told how much of a menace he is for nipping, standing on feet etc for almost a decade. Barnes had two hands on their lads torso before he went down. Likely Ash did create that situation, after which Barnes was clearly looking to give the defender and ref a quandry by going to ground at will. It almost worked but with the quality in this team i'd sooner watch us try and play football rather than fall over.
The best shout for a pen looked to be the one on Tella before all that but the ongoing nonsence meant we didn't even see a replay of that particular incident.