Championship Team of the Season (so far)

[GodIsADeeJay81]

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[Hibsclaret]

Incredible to have just 2 players in there tbh. We should have at least 4 and probably more given the gap to the rest of the league. I would add Cork and Cullen for starters, possibly at the expense of Brownhill. I’d add a winger too.

[elwaclaret]

Sticking different players in their positions is not a team, it’s a bunch of players who are doing well individually.

Burnley is all they needed to write for a more accurate result.

[Oppycat]

Who’s missing? Nine of our players and six more on the subs’ bench. And Coventry’s Egan-Riley

[claretburns]

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Maatsen at left back and Benson and Zaroury on each wing missing for starters. Probably also Tella up front instead of Pedro.

[dsr]

The only question about the wing-forwards ought to be, which two of Benson-Tella-Zaroury get picked. Of course.

[Oppycat]

Maybe a slot for Akpom?

[Oppycat]

And above, Coventry’s Luke McNally, not Coventry’s CJ Egan-Reilly…

[Vegas Claret]

ask our players if they'd prefer to win the league or feature in the whoscored (who ?) team of the season.....

[CrosspoolClarets]

WhoScored is good but not infallible.

It puts too much weight on goals and assists, so a midfielder who completely controls a game doesn’t get in, nor does a goalie who has top distribution.

But ultimately there is a correlation with who they say is in Team Of The Season and who may move for big money - Ndiye, Chair, Pedro etc. so there must be some cleverness to it. I would add Cullen and Maatsen but otherwise it is fair.

[Swizzlestick]

No clue how Josh Sargent is in there.

[Damo]

Is there any real science that supports this, or is it just based on ratings that some twitter page has plucked out of its backside?

[Rick_Muller]

The answer is Burnley. Anything else is just hogwash

[RVclaret]

WhoScored is good but not infallible.

It puts too much weight on goals and assists, so a midfielder who completely controls a game doesn’t get in, nor does a goalie who has top distribution.

But ultimately there is a correlation with who they say is in Team Of The Season and who may move for big money - Ndiye, Chair, Pedro etc. so there must be some cleverness to it. I would add Cullen and Maatsen but otherwise it is fair.

Was trying to explain this re. WhoScored to another poster on a thread the other day.

Sargent should be nowhere near the TOTY.

[claretonthecoast1882]

From games I have seen this season none of Christie, Sargent, Chair or Pedro should be anywhere near

[Tricky Trevor]

Certainly spreading the love, 8 teams in the X1.
Bachmann is the best keeper in the division.
Manning is up there with Maatsen but doesn’t have the goals or assists
Christie has had a solid career but not the best RB for me.
Chair has all the tricks but is his end product as good as Zaroury? Not for me
Surprised to see Ahmedhodzic in before Egan.
Norwood and Ndiaye are shoe-ins.
Lot of competition up front with Gyokeres, Akpom and Pedro.

[RVclaret]

Certainly spreading the love, 8 teams in the X1.
Bachmann is the best keeper in the division.
Manning is up there with Maatsen but doesn’t have the goals or assists
Christie has had a solid career but not the best RB for me.
Chair has all the tricks but is his end product as good as Zaroury? Not for me
Surprised to see Ahmedhodzic in before Egan.
Norwood and Ndiaye are shoe-ins.
Lot of competition up front with Gyokeres, Akpom and Pedro.

Bachmann isn’t great. Read Watford fans comments on him. Makes a lot of errors and doesn’t come for any crosses, plus is woeful with his feet. Muric far better than him.

[Pickles]

That eleven is bizarre. Should be about eight Burnley players in there. Josh Sargent the best right winger (?!) in the league? All right then.

[RVclaret]

Based on what I've seen, I'd go with

Muric
Roberts, Ahmedozic, THB, Maatsen
Benson, Norwood, Cullen, Pedro
Akpom, Ndiaye

[quoonbeatz]

Lol, a prime example of why not to base your football opinions on stats.

[CoolClaret]

Lol, a prime example of why not to base your football opinions on stats.

^^^^ this

If we’re going off stats as well Harry Kane is pretty much gonna be the greatest striker in PL history

Would you have him over Drogba to win you a title or a big game? No chance

[burnley007]

Can you imagine Zaroury or Tella not getting in any Championship side??

[tiger76]

Some strange names in that XI, how neither Benson or Zaroury make the cut is baffling.

And how neither Akpom or Gyokeres are in the frame is equally bizarre.

Cullen is another who seems to go under the radar however his value to Burnley is vital.

I guess what it shows is how many good players we've had this season, but not many that standout above the others.

Hallmark of a good side is that they don't rely on only 1 or 2 individuals, and in this league we are undoubtedly a good side.

[SalisburyClaret]

Bachmann isn’t great. Read Watford fans comments on him. Makes a lot of errors and doesn’t come for any crosses, plus is woeful with his feet. Muric far better than him.

Bachmann is the Nick Pope of the Championship - can’t kick but is superb at not letting the ball get past him. Wouldn’t work in our system - but they’d probably get relegated with Muric in their system

[RVclaret]

Bachmann is the Nick Pope of the Championship - can’t kick but is superb at not letting the ball get past him. Wouldn’t work in our system - but they’d probably get relegated with Muric in their system

Interesting comment. Muric actually ranks higher than Bachmann on shot stopping underlying data and (way) higher on cross % stopped (Bachmann is in the bottom 10% in the league).

[quoonbeatz]

Bachmann is more Pickford than Pope. Makes flashy saves look harder than they are which disguises (to some) the fact that he's not really very good.

[SalisburyClaret]

Interesting comment. Muric actually ranks higher than Bachmann on shot stopping underlying data and (way) higher on cross % stopped (Bachmann is in the bottom 10% in the league).

Shows how accurate these stats are - as we know Muric hasn't come for a contested cross all season and Bachmann is rubbish at them!

[CoolClaret]

———————-——-Muric
Aarons-Ahmedhodzic-Beyer-Maatsen
———————Cullen-Norwood
Gyökeres——-Brownhill——-Tella
——————————Akpom

[Steve1956]

Interesting comment. Muric actually ranks higher than Bachmann on shot stopping underlying data and (way) higher on cross % stopped (Bachmann is in the bottom 10% in the league).

Stats...Stats ....Stats....yawn!

[RVclaret]

Stats...Stats ....Stats....yawn!

You said ‘do stats even get used in football’.

The two most successful clubs our size in the Prem right now run their entire club, from top to bottom, using stats/data/analytics.

I’ll leave this one there.

[Steve1956]

You said ‘do stats even get used in football’.

The two most successful clubs our size in the Prem right now run their entire club, from top to bottom, using stats/data/analytics.

I’ll leave this one there.

Yawnnnnnn

[RVclaret]

Yawnnnnnn

Good one, Steve1926

[daveisaclaret]

Whoscored ratings are nowt to do with if you should use stats, they're about what happens if you think you can use one view of a certain set of stats to make objective judgements on players' performance.

For reference, compared to Josh Sargent's 7.1 ranking, Tella has got 6.76 and Benson 6.56.

It's a nice idea to use stats to give player ratings but unfortunately the execution here is really very poor.

[Down_Rover]

I would be very happy if all our loan players were excluded. Keeps the prices down

Let all the PL clubs chase THB. We have Beyer, Ekdal, Al Dakiri and Taylor so won’t offer enough for THB

[Quickenthetempo]

I'm not sure the exact qualifying data but most of our players have been rotated in and out of the side. We make plenty of subs and it takes quite a lot to stand out next to our other players.

The players in the team might stand out every week for their team.

[Big Vinny K]

You said ‘do stats even get used in football’.

The two most successful clubs our size in the Prem right now run their entire club, from top to bottom, using stats/data/analytics.

What does that even mean ?
No one runs their club “top to bottom” using statistics - some clubs of course are more reliant on analytics than others but I doubt there are many (if any) clubs in the top 2 divisions who do not use statistics to some degree or other.
But for all clubs statistics are just one part of how the club is managed.

[RVclaret]

What does that even mean ?
No one runs their club “top to bottom” using statistics - some clubs of course are more reliant on analytics than others but I doubt there are many (if any) clubs in the top 2 divisions who do not use statistics to some degree or other.
But for all clubs statistics are just one part of how the club is managed.

Have a proper look at / research Brentford and Brighton.

[Big Vinny K]

Have a proper look at / research Brentford and Brighton.

I don’t need to - I know about those clubs and their use of analytics.
I already said it’s a big part of how many clubs operate and some like both these clubs to a larger degree than others. That does not mean they run their clubs “top to bottom’ using statistics.
Take a look at the board of directors for both clubs for example - are you suggesting they were all appointed using analytics ? The board sit right at the “top” of the club.

[Benson]

The left back in this team, Ryan Manning, is out of contract at the end of the season and won’t sign another. If we can’t get Maatsen signed up this lad would be a very good alternative on a free. This season he’s played 29 scored 3 and got 5 assists in a struggling Swansea team, similar stats to Maatsen.

[RVclaret]

I don’t need to - I know about those clubs and their use of analytics.
I already said it’s a big part of how many clubs operate and some like both these clubs to a larger degree than others. That does not mean they run their clubs “top to bottom’ using statistics.
Take a look at the board of directors for both clubs for example - are you suggesting they were all appointed using analytics ? The board sit right at the “top” of the club.

Maybe you’ve taken me too literally with the words top to bottom.

My earlier point was that data / analytics in football is quite big and those who constantly laugh at it like Steve above are quite naive.

[RVclaret]

The left back in this team, Ryan Manning, is out of contract at the end of the season and won’t sign another. If we can’t get Maatsen signed up this lad would be a very good alternative on a free. This season he’s played 29 scored 3 and got 5 assists in a struggling Swansea team, similar stats to Maatsen.

Good shout

[PremierLeagueClass]

Bachmann isn’t great. Read Watford fans comments on him. Makes a lot of errors and doesn’t come for any crosses, plus is woeful with his feet. Muric far better than him.

You reference other fans comments as evidence quite often. You should know just from the abuse Muric gets on this board that fan opinion can be a poor barometer.

[Big Vinny K]

Maybe you’ve taken me too literally with the words top to bottom.

My earlier point was that data / analytics in football is quite big and those who constantly laugh at it like Steve above are quite naive.

Agree with that.
My point was really that all clubs still use some of the tried and tested methods too when it comes to training, player recruitment, scouting, tactics etc

I worked with Man City more than 10 years ago now when analytics was becoming a massive part of their customer experience model - customers being primarily season ticket holders. Now that all might sound very marketing lingo but you ask any city season ticket holder how their match day experience and their general interactions with the club have improved in the last decade and their answer would be unanimously positive