So good looking at the table right now, and game by game see us move up in the cant possibly less than league position until (hopefully) that position is 1st.
Currently on 73 points with 13 to play and can't possibly finish less than League Position 22nd

Correct and it’s all on the magic numbers thread.

Currently on 76 points with 12 to play and can't possibly finish less than League Position 18th.

We can't possibly finish less than 1st.

Rileybobs wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:36 am

We can't possibly finish less than 1st.

I've done the calculations like Mr Riley and its a stone cold mathematical certainty that we finish 1st

ClaretAL wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 27, 2023 11:32 am

Currently on 76 points with 12 to play and can't possibly finish less than League Position 18th.

On basis of the fact that every team underneath us cannot win every game (because they're playing each other) I think you'll find that league position will be much higher. We'd need some kind of super computer to work that one out though

clarets1978 wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 27, 2023 1:55 pm

On basis of the fact that every team underneath us cannot win every game (because they're playing each other) I think you'll find that league position will be much higher. We'd need some kind of super computer to work that one out though

Step forward dsr...!

The fabled Supercomputer (which is definitely not a work experience kid at a desk) has predicted we will finish 1st and on 98 points.

For those who want more info on what a Supercomputer is, it's very much like a regular computer but more superer.

I'm not linking to the clickbait article tho.

[edit] let me try again!

sjb wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:03 pm

Step forward dsr...!

450 points to play for. If those points are shared out in the worst possible way, we could still finish 17th.

15th the worst we could now finish apparently.

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:18 pm

15th the worst we could now finish apparently.

Probably right. Some computers are superer than others. Mine doesn't take account of who plays who!

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:18 pm

15th the worst we could now finish apparently.

Could be right. I guess it's not as simple as going with how many points Hull in 16th can get (78) as teams have to play each other. They could get 78 but that would take a potential 3 points off teams between them and us who they'd be beating along the way. You'd need a program to mathematically check the remaining fixtures.

This is all very interesting ... but every team below us "cannot win every game" as they play each other we are going to be Champions folks, we know that because it was in Rileybobs tea leaves

Also the Yarkshire Post Super Computer

Bordeauxclaret wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:18 pm

15th the worst we could now finish apparently.

With 24 teams to play 12 (13 in some cases) matches there must be millions of combinations in terms of results.

Yep get all the permutations but that gives me a headache, so pub reckoning after a match will do for me until we get to the point of 1st. We jumped 4 spots after 1 game. what a time it is to be a Claret.

Guys we are 1/100 on with the bookies for a reason.

dsr wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:07 pm

450 points to play for. If those points are shared out in the worst possible way, we could still finish 17th.

So we can get (450 + 76) 526 points if we win all our remaining matches. I think I'm right in saying that would make us top, although Sheffield United do have a game in hand.

Who needs a supercomputer.

Where's that Hurstwood guy that said B'burn would finish ahead of us on 98 pts?

Rowls wrote: ↑

Mon Feb 27, 2023 2:05 pm

For those who want more info on what a Supercomputer is, it's very much like a regular computer but more superer.

I'm not linking to the clickbait article tho.

I imagine it to be the size of a house, but the bit that does anything is in a matchbox inside it. Like the Wizard of Oz.

I wrote a betting prediction program some years ago

It loaded a league table for each division, scanned all the data and analysed recent home/away performances
Also took into account goals scored, league position etc then came up with a likelihood of victory for the next match.

Ran it all on my "super" work desktop and it took about 15 seconds on what was a very slow computer compared to today's standards. Most of the time was taken up with waiting for the web pages to load.

All this talk of "super computers" in the media is absolute tosh, it's just some bloke with a laptop

I did the supercomputing yesterday. It involved a piece of paper and a pencil pulled from behind my ear. It's all here:
https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... =2&t=67845

I think 15th is right. Stoke only have Bristol City to play of the sides a few points above them, so if you start with them as one of the sides that manage it, then it's easy to get Preston and Bristol City above us using gd. However, by that stage points have to come off the other 3, who pretty much have to play each other. 1 of hull, Swansea, Reading could also get passed us, but to get two of those 3 past us, you'd lose one of bristol City or Preston.

All a bit silly really. Even more unlikely than that "Blackburn finishing on 90 points" - and that's impossible. They could finish on 89 or 91 points, but not 90.

I know there are lots of permutations that effect this either way but fag packet reckoning

Currently on 77 points with 11 to play and can't possibly finish less than League Position 16th.

ClaretAL wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:36 am

I know there are lots of permutations that effect this either way but fag packet reckoning

Currently on 77 points with 11 to play and can't possibly finish less than League Position 16th.

It's higher than that. The teams in 14th and 15th could get 80 but they have to play each other.

Lowest is now 14th apparently.

ClaretAL wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:36 am

I know there are lots of permutations that effect this either way but fag packet reckoning

Currently on 77 points with 11 to play and can't possibly finish less than League Position 16th.

I'll be honest, I can't be arsed looking it up - but since the Championship was formed, what is the lowest a team on 77 points has finished?

HiThere wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:49 am

I'll be honest, I can't be arsed looking it up - but since the Championship was formed, what is the lowest a team on 77 points has finished?

Seventh

Wolves in 2014/15 with 78 points

I know there are lots of permutations that effect this either way but fag packet reckoning

Currently on 83 points with 9 to play and can't possibly finish less than League Position 8th.