Change kit or away kit?

Goddy · Post by **Goddy** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:29 am

Now don't give me a hard time for being an old fuddy-duddy (I know I am) but I'm beginning to get fed up with away teams wearing (a version of a) black kit. Is it an 'away' kit anyhow, or a change kit for a colour clash with the home team??

I don't know why teams just don't wear their usual (home, if you want) kit whenever they can. (Please don't give me the 'it's all about money' as I really doubt people will suddenly rush off to buy an away kit because they've seen their team play in it).

I think the final straw for me was the Fulham -Arsenal game yesterday. I mean Arsenal ended up playing in a kit which was much more of a colour clash than if they'd turned up in their usual read and white.

OK - slightly pathetic/pedantic rant over but, if I had my way, we'd get teams (including us) playing in their usual kit as much as often.

PS reminds me of the 80's when it seemed all away teams played in yellow back then, leading to the banal chant of 'yell-ow, yell-ow'. Sadly I can't get 'blaaack' to scan in the same way for the chant

...perhaps we could have all away teams calling their black away kit 'charcoal' to solve that problem (or any other Farrow and Ball 2-syllable colour you might like)

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:05 am

I'm with you - and at Ipswich, with the background of their stand on the opposite side, it was difficult picking up our players wearing that black thing we have.

It Is What It Is · Post by **It Is What It Is** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:12 am

Anything but grey.
I remember when Manure got thrashed wearing an all grey kit.. Ferguson blamed it on the grey strip saying that his players couldn't see each other!!!!

boatshed bill · Post by **boatshed bill** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:24 am

Black should be for referees.
Now we've lost that once famous chant/question

beddie · Post by **beddie** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:27 am

I really don’t like any of these black kits. Agree about Arsenal yesterday they could have played in their home kit.

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:32 am

'that black thing we have'

Not a fan of it then, CT?

Andreshotboots · Post by **Andreshotboots** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:38 am

The black thing will be back at the Etihad

dougcollins · Post by **dougcollins** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:40 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:05 am
I'm with you - and at Ipswich, with the background of their stand on the opposite side, it was difficult picking up our players wearing that black thing we have.

Black backgrounds/advertising are very much in vogue, as you can see at the Turf.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:40 am

The clubs traditional colours should be compulsory, if there is no clash.
We are the Clarets.

Hurstwood_Claret · Post by **Hurstwood_Claret** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:04 am

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:05 am
I'm with you - and at Ipswich, with the background of their stand on the opposite side, it was difficult picking up our players wearing that black thing we have.

‘That Black Thing’ is one of the best kits we’ve had in years

ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:07 am

Hurstwood_Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:04 am
‘That Black Thing’ is one of the best kits we’ve had in years

Not when there's a background like there was at Ipswich - dreadful trying to pick it up and it wasn't just me saying it.

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:14 am

I remember an FA cup game in 1983 when we were drawn away to Hyde United.

It was however agreed that the game would be played at the Turf, I think because Hyde figured they would get more in gate receipts but I wasn't so old so not 100% sure

Due to Hyde playing in red, and it technically being their home game, we strolled out at the Turf wearing our yellow away kit

Claret Till I Die · Post by **Claret Till I Die** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:14 am

Don't believe we'll have that issue next season...

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:17 am

Always liked our yellow kits but I'm glad we don't do that 'yellows' chant. This black kit is one the worst ever Burnley kits.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:23 am

Goddy wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:29 am
Now don't give me a hard time for being an old fuddy-duddy (I know I am) but I'm beginning to get fed up with away teams wearing (a version of a) black kit. Is it an 'away' kit anyhow, or a change kit for a colour clash with the home team??

I don't know why teams just don't wear their usual (home, if you want) kit whenever they can. (Please don't give me the 'it's all about money' as I really doubt people will suddenly rush off to buy an away kit because they've seen their team play in it).

I think the final straw for me was the Fulham -Arsenal game yesterday. I mean Arsenal ended up playing in a kit which was much more of a colour clash than if they'd turned up in their usual read and white.

OK - slightly pathetic/pedantic rant over but, if I had my way, we'd get teams (including us) playing in their usual kit as much as often.

PS reminds me of the 80's when it seemed all away teams played in yellow back then, leading to the banal chant of 'yell-ow, yell-ow'. Sadly I can't get 'blaaack' to scan in the same way for the chant ...perhaps we could have all away teams calling their black away kit 'charcoal' to solve that problem (or any other Farrow and Ball 2-syllable colour you might like)

I was thinking excatly the same ths weekend. Most teams that come to us have wor Black.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:37 am

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:17 am
Always liked our yellow kits but I'm glad we don't do that 'yellows' chant. This black kit is one the worst ever Burnley kits.

Not been a bad one though

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ClaretTony · Post by **ClaretTony** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:40 am

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:17 am
Always liked our yellow kits but I'm glad we don't do that 'yellows' chant. This black kit is one the worst ever Burnley kits.

All opinion though isn’t it? Someone on this thread has it up there as our best, watching us play in it I think it’s horrendous.

HahaYeah · Post by **HahaYeah** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:41 am

Oh aye, I forgot the kit won all them matches!

maccclaret · Post by **maccclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:44 am

I've still not been able to use it to work out my route to the Turf.

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:45 am

HahaYeah wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:41 am
Oh aye, I forgot the kit won all them matches!

Bfc · Post by **Bfc** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:11 pm

Who decides what strip we will wear?.

IanMcL · Post by **IanMcL** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:59 pm

Bfc wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 12:11 pm
Who decides what strip we will wear?.

Washerperson!

"Get your mitts of those, they are not ironed!"

sjb · Post by **sjb** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:09 pm

Croydon Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:14 am
I remember an FA cup game in 1983 when we were drawn away to Hyde United.

It was however agreed that the game would be played at the Turf, I think because Hyde figured they would get more in gate receipts but I wasn't so old so not 100% sure

Due to Hyde playing in red, and it technically being their home game, we strolled out at the Turf wearing our yellow away kit

On the opening day of the 1986/7 season we played away at Torquay on the Saturday night. We took the yellow kit obviously not realising that was Torquay's colour. We ended up playing in their blue away kit complete with 'Rotolok' sponsors.

Petersa · Post by **Petersa** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:54 pm

If Burnley had a yellow away/change kit there would never be a need for a third kit within the EFL or EPL. Perhaps Bradford City with some of their creations over the years.

Have always thought that black kits should not be allowed and should be the referees kit only. Football managed for many decades with this. I was never aware of those clubs with black and white stripes, Grimsby, Notts County etc having a problem in yesteryear.

It now seems that in a lot of games the referees and goalkeepers wear the same colours. Don't like or understand that either.

Mimi rant over it seems

Petersa · Post by **Petersa** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:02 pm

Got me thinking of a match between Burnley and Coventry in the early 70s. Burnley in the then all claret shirt, Coventry wearing green and black stripes. The keepers, Alan Stevenson wore green and Bill Glazier wore red. After a bit of discussion both changed into an all white Burnley change shirt complete with badge for the game

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:04 pm

ClaretTony wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:05 am
I'm with you - and at Ipswich, with the background of their stand on the opposite side, it was difficult picking up our players wearing that black thing we have.

wasn't it Man Utd that changed at half time (years ago) because they couldn't see each other ? Away at Southampton springs to mind. It's a very real issue, it does surprise me we haven't gone for a bright strip - look at Man City's, no way their players can miss each other

basil6345789 · Post by **basil6345789** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:14 pm

Play in claret at Citeh

Bosscat · Post by **Bosscat** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:20 pm

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:04 pm
wasn't it Man Utd that changed at half time (years ago) because they couldn't see each other ? Away at Southampton springs to mind. It's a very real issue, it does surprise me we haven't gone for a bright strip - look at Man City's, no way their players can miss each other

That was the grey kit mentioned above ...

https://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboa ... #pr2046884

wilks_bfc · Post by **wilks_bfc** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:21 pm

basil6345789 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:14 pm
Play in claret at Citeh

We will be in the black kit against City

The sleeves of our home kit are the same as theirs and the 2nd kit is too similar a colour

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:49 pm

Black kits are awesome to look at but not to play in.

Having light colours (especially for night games) makes a lot more sense - white is great you can see teammates out of your peripheral vision way easier

Clarets4me · Post by **Clarets4me** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:55 pm

It doesn't matter as long as we have claret & blue hooped socks .....

elwaclaret · Post by **elwaclaret** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:07 pm

Billy Hamilton once said in interview that Burnley preferred the yellow kit for away night matches as it was far easier to recognise than dark kits, even claret and blue under the lights.

Targetman · Post by **Targetman** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 3:35 pm

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:21 pm
We will be in the black kit against City

The sleeves of our home kit are the same as theirs and the 2nd kit is too similar a colour

Arsenal and Spurs normally play in their home kits when they play each other.
The sleeves of Arsenal's home shirt are the same colour as Tottenham's home shirt.

Doesn't seem to matter in their derby games.

Billyblah · Post by **Billyblah** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:17 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:32 am
'that black thing we have'

Not a fan of it then, CT?

Hey, I spent a big pile of money in buying "that black thing we have".
I occasionally wash my car whilst wearing it

Croydon Claret · Post by **Croydon Claret** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:30 pm

Billyblah wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 5:17 pm
Hey, I spent a big pile of money in buying "that black thing we have".
I occasionally wash my car whilst wearing it

As long as you don't wash your car with it...

cricketfield73 · Post by **cricketfield73** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 6:24 pm

I was on the front row of the Jimmy Mac for the Bristol City match this season and could barely make out their players in their all dark grey strip.
As for unnecessary kit changes, I'm in full agreement with the OP, the most ridiculous one being when Norwich played in white shirts at the Turf a few seasons back.

jetblackcat · Post by **jetblackcat** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 9:19 pm

Chelsea and Man City both wear their own home kit when playing each other yet we change to play Blackpool??? I can remember a home game against Forest where they played in red and there was no colour clash.

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:33 pm

sjb wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 1:09 pm
On the opening day of the 1986/7 season we played away at Torquay on the Saturday night. We took the yellow kit obviously not realising that was Torquay's colour. We ended up playing in their blue away kit complete with 'Rotolok' sponsors.

Torquay had played in blue the previous season. Burnley didn't know they had changed. (The times and finances being what they were, they probably couldn't afford the new version of the Playfair yearbook and were waiting for it to be remaindered in the new year.)

dsr · Post by **dsr** » Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:35 pm

boatshed bill wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:24 am
Black should be for referees.
Now we've lost that once famous chant/question

Unless it's Blackburn Rovers who are wearing the black. Then the question can be asked 11 times over ...

Garnerssoap · Post by **Garnerssoap** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:22 am

It Is What It Is wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 10:12 am

Anything but grey.
I remember when Manure got thrashed wearing an all grey kit.. Ferguson blamed it on the grey strip saying that his players couldn't see each other!!!!

My missus helped design that at cloverbrook textiles- I thought it was funny telling her they’d switched it at half time. The management meeting on Monday morning didn’t reach quite my levels of ribaldry

CaptJohn · Post by **CaptJohn** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:28 am

My favourite away kit was from a good few years back. It was light blue shirts with clarets shorts and light blue socks. It looked the DBs it really did, especially under lights. It was pre sponsorship days for sure but Frankie Casp and Dougie Collins looked very smart in it.
Never liked black kit.
Showing my age

DavidW · Post by **DavidW** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:45 am

I quite like the black shirt, only because it makes me look slimmer

sjb · Post by **sjb** » Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:27 pm

dsr wrote: ↑
Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:33 pm
Torquay had played in blue the previous season. Burnley didn't know they had changed. (The times and finances being what they were, they probably couldn't afford the new version of the Playfair yearbook and were waiting for it to be remaindered in the new year.)

Yes, we played in yellow at Plainmoor in 85/6 - a stultifying 0-2 Tuesday night defeat in February. I think a prominent member of this board completed 'the 92' that night.