Looks like we are going for him permanently.

https://twitter.com/Ekremkonur/status/1 ... CB1uQ&s=19

Need the embargo to go go first!

claretandy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:54 am

Looks like we are going for him permanently.

https://twitter.com/Ekremkonur/status/1 ... CB1uQ&s=19

Latest we heard (through media) was that he was going to return to Chelsea, sign a new deal and return to us in the summer.

Well, the above posts cover about every angle.

We are signing him, he's going back, we cant sign him anyway.

Still a decent player though.

Aren't we limited regarding the amount of loans next year in the PL, if so we'll need to try and sign some of them permanently.

Might mean Charlie is on his way out, that seems to be the pattern bring in younger players, and move on some of our higher earners who are also getting on in years.

Great going forward,but his defending against decent wingers leaves much to be desired.Attacks down his side have caused problems,he gets caught to far upfield,or on the wrong side of his opponent.He loves to get forward and is a great asset as such,but in the premiership he will get roasted
unless the coaching team can improve his defensive role.There is a smashing player in there ,but our troubles tend to come from his side.
My opinion for what it,s worth,having played 6 seasons at full back in lancs comb. CLARET FOREVER.

midsummersday wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:21 pm

Great going forward,but his defending against decent wingers leaves much to be desired.Attacks down his side have caused problems,he gets caught to far upfield,or on the wrong side of his opponent.He loves to get forward and is a great asset as such,but in the premiership he will get roasted
unless the coaching team can improve his defensive role.There is a smashing player in there ,but our troubles tend to come from his side.
My opinion for what it,s worth,having played 6 seasons at full back in lancs comb. CLARET FOREVER.

Surely his role as an "inverted full back" means that his position is something that VK has worked on with him? If he's too far up field isn't because VK has asked him to play that way? A bit like Muric, there are risks in the way they play but these are calculated risks and I'm sure that Vinnie will be working with them to refine the details. AS VK says himself, if the player was the finished article we wouldn't be able to afford him.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 12:55 pm

Aren't we limited regarding the amount of loans next year in the PL, if so we'll need to try and sign some of them permanently.

Might mean Charlie is on his way out, that seems to be the pattern bring in younger players, and move on some of our higher earners who are also getting on in years.

Yes we are limited, if there are no pending rule changes this summer and we're following what the rules are this season then it is as follows:

1. Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
2. The maximum number of loans allowed in the same season is 4 and under no circumstances shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.

So with being limited to two loans at one time the players we have currently on loan, some would either need to be bought permanently or they won't be back with us next season.

dibraidio wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:29 pm

Surely his role as an "inverted full back" means that his position is something that VK has worked on with him? If he's too far up field isn't because VK has asked him to play that way? A bit like Muric, there are risks in the way they play but these are calculated risks and I'm sure that Vinnie will be working with them to refine the details. AS VK says himself, if the player was the finished article we wouldn't be able to afford him.

Exactly as I see it, as fans we may criticise but if the management are working with Maatsen and he is doing what he is told to do, pretty clear as he wouldn't be playing otherwise, then him getting forward and supporting attacking play is clearly what Kompany sees as his priority to do on the left hand side.

claretburns wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:10 pm

Yes we are limited, if there are no pending rule changes this summer and we're following what the rules are this season then it is as follows:

1. Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time.
2. The maximum number of loans allowed in the same season is 4 and under no circumstances shall more than one be from the same club at any one time.

So with being limited to two loans at one time the players we have currently on loan, some would either need to be bought permanently or they won't be back with us next season.

This is only loans from Premier League and Football League clubs. You can have further loans from other countries.

Aggi has the full info on this as far as I have been able to source
Not sure how many loans you can play but loans like Beyer would not be affected as he is an overseas player

Buy and send out on loan for a season. Not good enough yet for the Prem.

Surprised by the criticism of him on this thread.

He’s only just turned 21, is part of one of the stingiest defences in the EFL, has 4 goals and 6 assists.

He must be one of the most exciting young left backs in European football.

If we can buy him without breaking the bank, we absolutely should.

He's been one of our best players, terrific talent.

He might have had two or three poorer games throughout the season, but has been excellent in the vast majority. We miss him badly when he hasn't played.

midsummersday wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 1:21 pm

Great going forward,but his defending against decent wingers leaves much to be desired.Attacks down his side have caused problems,he gets caught to far upfield,or on the wrong side of his opponent.He loves to get forward and is a great asset as such,but in the premiership he will get roasted
unless the coaching team can improve his defensive role.There is a smashing player in there ,but our troubles tend to come from his side.
My opinion for what it,s worth,having played 6 seasons at full back in lancs comb. CLARET FOREVER.

He can't really do much more than be the best left back in the division, can he?

Not sure what relevance your '6 seasons at full back in lancs comb' has? I'm guessing you think that it gives your opinion more substance, perhaps?

aggi wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 2:20 pm

This is only loans from Premier League and Football League clubs. You can have further loans from other countries.

That’s always been the case and the same condition applies to the Football League loan rules.

I think Fulham played on the Turf a couple of seasons ago with five or six loan players but only two from English clubs.

Feel like Maatsen is the least likely of the loans to be made permanent.

I’ve not seen anything about us taking him on loan again. Only stories about a permanent deal , which i think would be fantastic if the price is right

KefkaClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:05 pm

Feel like Maatsen is the least likely of the loans to be made permanent.

I think he's the most LIKELY thb. pal.

Pace will back VK, Maatsen is the perfect 'Our New Model' signing, even if it costs £20m+, it has to be done.

equinox wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:32 pm

I think he's the most LIKELY thb. pal.

Pace will back VK, Maatsen is the perfect 'Our New Model' signing, even if it costs £20m+, it has to be done.

I like Maatsen, however if Chelsea are asking for £20m+ I doubt we'll shell that out for a left back considering we'll have other areas to strengthen, namely centre-mid and probably a striker.

KefkaClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:05 pm

Feel like Maatsen is the least likely of the loans to be made permanent.

I'd say we'd definitely not get Tella if Southampton go down.

equinox wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:32 pm

I think he's the most LIKELY thb. pal.

Maatsen is the perfect 'Our New Model' signing, even if it costs £20m+,

I don't think there's anything in our 'new approach' that means spending over £20m on youngsters who've never even played in the Prem.

I think your expectations need a big adjustment.

I'd rather push the boat out for Tella if it was possible. Not sure Maatsen will be good enough at that level.

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:56 pm

I'd rather push the boat out for Tella if it was possible. Not sure Maatsen will be good enough at that level.

I tend to agree if we are going to spend big money then I'd rather it was on a striker, be that Tella or someone else.

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:37 pm

Buy and send out on loan for a season. Not good enough yet for the Prem.

Great idea let’s spend our budget on players and then loan them to someone else…!!!

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:37 pm

Buy and send out on loan for a season. Not good enough yet for the Prem.

Well that's not going to happen for starters.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:55 pm

I don't think there's anything in our 'new approach' that means spending over £20m on youngsters who've never even played in the Prem.

I think your expectations need a big adjustment.

I'm Pace, you're Garlick.

tiger76 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:50 pm

I like Maatsen, however if Chelsea are asking for £20m+ I doubt we'll shell that out for a left back considering we'll have other areas to strengthen, namely centre-mid and probably a striker.

I'm Pace, you're Garlick.

I’d hope we’re in for Maatsen on a permanent basis, even if the fee could potentially rise to £20m.

He’s a class act who I think would thrive in the Premier League and end up being a full Dutch international.

I thought the City game would bring the silly valuations down, that some of our fans have put on the loan sigings.

pushpinpussy wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 3:37 pm

Buy and send out on loan for a season. Not good enough yet for the Prem.

Never kicked a ball you.

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:54 pm

I'd say we'd definitely not get Tella if Southampton go down.

Like us, they’ll need to sell if they go down. They spent a lot in January that is so far not looking like it’s going to be money we’ll spent!

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:56 pm

I'd rather push the boat out for Tella if it was possible. Not sure Maatsen will be good enough at that level.

My worry is that there’ll be other premier league clubs with deeper pockets in for him.
Sadly I can see him going to somewhere like Brighton.

fatboy47 wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:55 pm

I don't think there's anything in our 'new approach' that means spending over £20m on youngsters who've never even played in the Prem.

I think your expectations need a big adjustment.

There’s no way we spend £20m on a on Maatsen with one year left on his contract at Chelsea. He’s a top player going forward but I don’t feel safe with him defensively - gets beaten/crosses go in nearly every time.

I obviously want to sign him but think we’ll need another in any event to be honest.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:42 pm

I thought the City game would bring the silly valuations down, that some of our fans have put on the loan sigings.

Silly valuations? You are aware of the transfer market in the Premier League aren't you?

These young boys we have should be kept together.

Will add I that it wouldn’t surprise me if more of our deals have buy options. We’ll have to see in summer I suppose.

equinox wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:54 pm

Silly valuations? You are aware of the transfer market in the Premier League aren't you?

These young boys we have should be kept together.

Yes, they are proven championship players at the minute.

Quickenthetempo wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:59 pm

Yes, they are proven championship players at the minute.

Not just proven though, they are champions, members of a team which is widely regarded as the best Championship Team of the last 20 years.

These boys need a little bit more respect regards their valuations.

How soon, if ever, is this embargo likely to be lifted?

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:52 pm

There’s no way we spend £20m on a on Maatsen with one year left on his contract at Chelsea. He’s a top player going forward but I don’t feel safe with him defensively - gets beaten/crosses go in nearly every time.

I obviously want to sign him but think we’ll need another in any event to be honest.

With the exception of the recent Hull game and the altogether more understandable challenges City posed, Maatsen's defending is one of the most significant individual improvements in the team since the early autumn. He's been really, really good in that department for an extended period now and personally I don't think he's too big a risk defensively.

That combination of real pace, quality on the ball and increasing tactical acumen to play the left half role is a rare mix. He has a very high ceiling - perhaps higher than all our other current loanees.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:48 pm

Like us, they’ll need to sell if they go down. They spent a lot in January that is so far not looking like it’s going to be money we’ll spent!

They have Lavia, Bella-Kotchap, Adams and Salisu to sell if they wanted - there is probably 70m right there.

dermotdermot wrote: ↑

Thu Mar 23, 2023 11:25 pm

How soon, if ever, is this embargo likely to be lifted?

Never. Stuck with what we have and a few kids forever.

Excellent player who you feel will only improve under VK.
His fitness is massive for us. In many games this year he is the one in the second half who other teams struggle to cope with his energy and his runs forward.
Technically he is another level than Charlie Taylor who we know does not have the crossing or shooting ability of Maatsen. The way we play under VK means this is key as our full backs are so instrumental to our attacking play and the chances we make. In the PL you see this with a lot of teams which means Maatsen could be even more suited to playing at the higher level.
Areas he has improved on (but hopefully develops further) are around his positioning and his concentration, He still regularly makes sloppy mistakes where he gives the ball away in dangerous areas….often an easy square pass which you can only put down to a lack of concentration

I thought he dealt with Rashford at OT better than anyone has done for a while and he was excellent first half at City, City just overload that right hand side (the same way we do) and it's near impossible to defend against.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:55 am

With the exception of the recent Hull game and the altogether more understandable challenges City posed, Maatsen's defending is one of the most significant individual improvements in the team since the early autumn. He's been really, really good in that department for an extended period now and personally I don't think he's too big a risk defensively.

That combination of real pace, quality on the ball and increasing tactical acumen to play the left half role is a rare mix. He has a very high ceiling - perhaps higher than all our other current loanees.

Tbf, it was the Hull game that stuck out in my mind. Perhaps because we were that side and nice and close to see him get done a fair few times. Earlier in the season he was the same but I agree generally he’s improved. That’s the thing with young players - put Muric, Zaroury, etc in this camp too - they’re inconsistent but can develop very quickly.

I agree with you about his ceiling and I’m not saying we shouldn’t buy him, just I think VK will want another more experienced player too (don’t think he fancies Charlie there) because we’ll expect to do a lot more defending next year & a back line all in its early 20’s would be a big risk imo.

Been reading that Holland have fitness problems ahead of tonights game with France, chance of a call up?
FWIW. His average performance has been exceptional but he has had far more than the 2 or 3 poor games mentioned above.

Maatsen to me is a footballer first. Calling him a left back with the associated conventional thoughts on full back play, namely defensive would limit his forward runs. He does much more than 'overlap'. VK is trying to get a squad of players who are all comfortable in possession, can attack, defend, run and compete with any opponent or opponents. The Man City defeat was more down to, moments of brilliance in finishing and defence splitting passes, than our individual shortcomings. We have a young team who will only improve. We have a team off the pitch who will continue to recruit better players and improve the ones already at the club. I know it is difficult for many fans to not judge them on individual games but this is a long term project of 'building' individuals and with this, our team. Players are still iearning and will continue to learn and develop.
There will be disappointing results and performances along the way but as long as we are trending positively, we'll be alright.
We have to keep looking at the bigger picture.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Mar 24, 2023 9:20 am

Tbf, it was the Hull game that stuck out in my mind. Perhaps because we were that side and nice and close to see him get done a fair few times. Earlier in the season he was the same but I agree generally he’s improved. That’s the thing with young players - put Muric, Zaroury, etc in this camp too - they’re inconsistent but can develop very quickly.

I agree with you about his ceiling and I’m not saying we shouldn’t buy him, just I think VK will want another more experienced player too (don’t think he fancies Charlie there) because we’ll expect to do a lot more defending next year & a back line all in its early 20’s would be a big risk imo.

Maatsen's issue occasionally is mental - his head goes and he has a bad 10 minutes, and he can be a bit eager to get to the ball so gets caught the wrong side. You're right to say that's a risk next season. But if he continues to eliminate those issues at the rate he has this season, and add so much in other departments, he'll be a proper asset next season.

We will need back up though. Lot to be said for selling Taylor and looking for more experienced back up.

As said above he turned 21 a couple of weeks ago.

He played a full season at Charlton in League One aged 18, a full season at Coventry in the Championship aged 19 and this season aged 20 he's probably the best left back in the league plying his trade with the league winners.

Most players don't hone their defensive skills until they are in their mid 20's at the earliest. If we could sign him permanently it would be a real coup.

Times article suggesting Chelsea will be forced into a summer firesale in order to comply with FFP.

This could work in our favour for Maatsen.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chel ... -dl07fdkc3