https://uk.yahoo.com/news/cctv-shows-si ... 55471.html
I for one can sleep easier in my bed tonight.
I wonder if they had done 33mph in a 30 zone ?

Not the polices fault it is the law that is wrong. Things like hate crime laws and other ridiculous laws that make basically everything illegal in the right context are extremely dangerous to society.
It is only going to get worse.

A measured approach considering funding & resources are at a all time low or that's what we are led to believe.

Pathetic and definitely the police fault. Wrong priorities as they have had for a long time now. Again pathetic.

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:15 pm

Pathetic and definitely the police fault. Wrong priorities as they have had for a long time now. Again pathetic.

Oh I don't know, when I was younger one of those dolls kicked sh1t out of my action man.

What date was it?

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:19 pm

What date was it?

Over 50 years ago, I think it was a few days after Christmas but can't be more specific.

In the year to June 2022, charge and summons rates for various criminal offences (England + Wales) were as follows:

Sexual Offences 3.1%
Theft Offences 4.0%
Criminal damage and arson 4.0%
Violence against the person 5.0%
Public order offences 5.8%
Robbery 6.3%
Misc. crimes against society 9.3%
Drug offences 19.3%
Possession of weapons offences 26.7%

Over the past 7/8 years proportion of crimes solved have fallen from something like 15% to around 5%.

And yet......

The date on the CCTV film.

1st of April?

A spokesperson for Essex Police said: "We are investigating an allegation of hate crime in Grays reported to us on 24 February. "On Tuesday, 4 April, we attended a location off Argent Street, Grays, and seized several items in connection with our investigation."

Don't see any relevance to the date it's damning however recent or ancient whichever way you try to dress it up.

LeadBelly wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 07, 2023 7:26 pm

Over the past 7/8 years proportion of crimes solved have fallen from something like 15% to around 5%.

And yet......

Some will still vote for this shower.

A political trigger if you've ever seen 1 naughty boy.

Throw away the key

It is almost certainly a hoax in my opinion, especially if they are saying it took place on the 4th of April when the CCTV is showing the 1st of April, but let's just believe the worst possible scenario. And of course it matters what the date is when the date just happens to be April Fools Day.

Also says Tues 1st April 2023. The 1st of April wasn't a Tuesday.
Apparently received a complaint in the middle of Feb 2018 and responded on the 4th of April 2023 with a CCTV camera showing a completely wrong date but does show April Fools Day. Coincidence that a PC of possible Asian appearance is the one removing the golliwogs.
All PC's in uniform were wearing police headgear, which is very, very unusual these days. Someone is not up to date with their observations when compiling the video or whatever it should be termed.

I am just amazed at how gullible so many posters are on this thread. I'm sure Tsar Bomba will be able to point out some other inconsistencies, such as 6 appearing willy-nilly for such a trivial matter and just observing. You all must have a very poor opinion of all police to even be prepared to believe such an obvious hoax and not spot so many obvious errors in the 'plan'.

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:10 am

It is almost certainly a hoax in my opinion, especially if they are saying it took place on the 4th of April when the CCTV is showing the 1st of April, but let's just believe the worst possible scenario. And of course it matters what the date is when the date just happens to be April Fools Day.

The date is 4th April, but because the first 4 is on the cusp of dark/light background, only the thick downstroke of the 4 stands out.

Why 6 policemen and women? Were they expecting several truckloads? What would have happened if the black policeman had come across a white faced doll - who he have been similarly outraged?

Yes I can see now that I was wrong about the date, but I sense that you are agreeing with my general take on it being 'fake' and designed to inflame negative passions.

Hope so anyway.

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:35 am

Yes I can see now that I was wrong about the date, but I sense that you are agreeing with my general take on it being 'fake' and designed to inflame negative passions.

Hope so anyway.

Are you saying it was a bogus incident & completely fabricated?

Well it was closer to 'a bogus incident and completely fabricated' than genuine, let's put it that way.
Now if they had said that it was a 'dramatised reconstruction' I would have just said they had taken 'dramatic license' and no way was it an accurate portrayal.

I don't always believe everything that I see.

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:44 am

I don't always believe everything that I see.

If the only the same could be said about Boris Johnson & that's without even seeing, nowt as queer as folk.

Su

I never made a single post about Boris. Didn't need to, there is enough evidence on record and just because he is a clown doesn't excuse his less than exemplary behaviour whilst in office and attempting to avoid taking responsibility by denying that events took place or putting a different spin on things and trying to say that things aren't that important when it just happens to involve him.

Su, doesn't really say anything, just implies something, maybe.

People spent promotion night posting on this thread, even while the game was on. Just saying.

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 08, 2023 12:43 am

Well it was closer to 'a bogus incident and completely fabricated' than genuine, let's put it that way.
Now if they had said that it was a 'dramatised reconstruction' I would have just said they had taken 'dramatic license' and no way was it an accurate portrayal.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/suella-braver ... 00317.html

bfcjg wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:54 pm

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/cctv-shows-si ... 55471.html
I for one can sleep easier in my bed tonight.
I wonder if they had done 33mph in a 30 zone ?

to add context to this the pub had been repeatedly told to get rid of them and had ignored those requests, though 6 officers are not needed to carry out such a task.

Loving the idea that the landlord isn't a racist t**t lads

In fairness, there were only 4 posts on this thread while the game was on, between 8.00pm and 8.08pm

HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:30 pm

to add context to this the pub had been repeatedly told to get rid of them and had ignored those requests, though 6 officers are not needed to carry out such a task.

You can tell a pub to get rid of John Smith's Smooth, but the police won't come round to arrest the landlord if he doesn't. If a crime has been committed, charge them. If not, what's it to do with the police? Why does it take 6 police officers to investigate, when one office with a camera could have done it in 5 minutes? Why have they taken the dolls away with all the faff about giving receipts and storage and stuff, when they have been there for years anyway? Why do police have to waste time with "non-crime hate incidents" when they haven't time to investigate actual crimes?

dsr wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:36 pm

You can tell a pub to get rid of John Smith's Smooth, but the police won't come round to arrest the landlord if he doesn't. If a crime has been committed, charge them. If not, what's it to do with the police? Why does it take 6 police officers to investigate, when one office with a camera could have done it in 5 minutes? Why have they taken the dolls away with all the faff about giving receipts and storage and stuff, when they have been there for years anyway? Why do police have to waste time with "non-crime hate incidents" when they haven't time to investigate actual crimes?

But they were dealing with real crimes. They had a tip off that there were a bunch of drug dealers in the pub, so they just went in and arrested all the black guys.

Why would anyone have gollys on display in their pub. As for her pathetic reason “they are a reminder of our childhood” and “we do Indian weddings”!!

Some pubs have free pool nights to drum up custom, great way to get a load of police in and maybe some repeat custom would be to display some of these gollys.

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:39 pm

In fairness, there were only 4 posts on this thread while the game was on, between 8.00pm and 8.08pm

Does it matter if they was 400? Is it time sensitive posting are we forbidden from posting whilst the game is in progress.

They need to work on their excuses:

Ryley denied that she or her husband were racist. “I’m not a racist in any form.” She confirmed that her husband had been photographed in a T-shirt from the far-right group Britain First. She said: “I don’t think Chris is a supporter of Britain First, he was just wearing that shirt because it was convenient at the time.”

HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:30 pm

to add context to this the pub had been repeatedly told to get rid of them and had ignored those requests, though 6 officers are not needed to carry out such a task.

What you need to appreciate is, that the visit to the pub wouldn’t be the only job/task for the day.

When I was on a Safer Neighbourhood Team, we would have 1 car for 2-3 teams.

Sometimes we’d go out in the car with 4-5 of us, and between us, have 15/20 jobs, from reporting crimes, reassurance visits, cucooning, talks etc. It would take us all day to get round to the jobs, and sometimes we’d go mob handed to a call, especially if it’s going in to a licensed premises.

I’m not sure if the pub was open or not, but going in to a pub, especially if it’s busy, is probably one of the most volatile places you can go on duty. A long time ago, when I was younger in service, I had a pool ball thrown full pelt at my head. Far to say I retreated, and I have always erred on the side of caution since then.

Bit of a non story this, tbh.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:16 am

I’m not sure if the pub was open or not, but going in to a pub, especially if it’s busy, is probably one of the most volatile places you can go on duty.

Viz - Flat-roofed pubs.

aggi wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:43 pm

They need to work on their excuses:

Ryley denied that she or her husband were racist. “I’m not a racist in any form.” She confirmed that her husband had been photographed in a T-shirt from the far-right group Britain First. She said: “I don’t think Chris is a supporter of Britain First, he was just wearing that shirt because it was convenient at the time.”

Having a Britain First t-shirt is a bit of a giveaway in the "Is he a racist f**k nugget or not?" stakes

My family are going through absolute hell.I can't comment on why due to ongoing circumstances and it could be another 12 months before our lives can expect to be anywhere near normal and it's led to me losing absolute faith in the police due to their incompetence and disgraceful behaviour and even misleading people on their social media sites to take plaudits.I have vowed to myself if I'm ever in a position to help them with any enquiries I won't because I simply don't trust them anymore.

My mother knits woollen dolls, especially claret and blue footballers, for sale at the church among other things. Once of a day she would knit dolls with black faces as well as pink, but not any more. Strictly pink faces only. No sense taking risks.

I had some sympathy for them at first, but not any more.

“We have our golli***s, yaaay,” he wrote in a caption in March 2016. When his wife commented asking if the post was “legal lol [laugh out loud]”, Mr Ryley replied: “They used to hang them in Mississippi years ago.”

https://static.independent.co.uk/2023/0 ... &auto=webp

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 17944.html

dsr wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 12, 2023 12:39 pm

My mother knits woollen dolls, especially claret and blue footballers, for sale at the church among other things. Once of a day she would knit dolls with black faces as well as pink, but not any more. Strictly pink faces only. No sense taking risks.

This is fine. She's welcome to educate herself a little to understand why representing BAME footballers isn't a problem, but if she's more comfortable with not knitting such dolls instead then I respect that too.

More people should be like your mother.

Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either:

demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity
Or

been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity

Gaia wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:43 pm

Any crime can be prosecuted as a hate crime if the offender has either:

demonstrated hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity
Or

been motivated by hostility based on race, religion, disability, sexual orientation or transgender identity

& It's another thing proving it, thankfully the justice system differs from some elements that are present within this forum where you would be hung drawn & quartered without any real investigative actions or conclusions based upon any findings.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... dApp_Other

Article in the Guardian about it. Difficult to.prove intent from just displaying the dolls.

Burnley Ace wrote: ↑

Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:08 pm

“we do Indian weddings”!!

Bloody hell, is Paul Fletcher their events manager?