Maatsen

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:16 pm

Not for us in the Premier League I'm afraid.

DAVETHEVICAR · Post by **DAVETHEVICAR** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:17 pm

I think he is more than good enough

Vino blanco · Post by **Vino blanco** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:18 pm

That’s the spirit!!

TravisBickle · Post by **TravisBickle** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:18 pm

He’s superb. I’d take him all day.

blatherwickstattoos · Post by **blatherwickstattoos** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:19 pm

Just beat second place. Just been promoted. Yet someone has logged on to say this. Fruit cake

Neil · Post by **Neil** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:21 pm

I said the same on the Tella thread. Not a bad player, great left foot and decent going forward but not a great defender. I think he'd do a job in the prem but we can do better.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:22 pm

Loses the ball way too often at this level. A level higher means punishment.

GetIntoEm · Post by **GetIntoEm** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:29 pm

We will be lucky to have someone as good as him next year if we don't sign him

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:45 pm

He has improved significantly, defensively, as the season has progressed. Over the last few games, he has been a bit careless with his passing and caught out a few times, particularly with balls over the top.

Is he the finished article, no. Does he have areas for improvement, yes.

Fortunately, he is a young kid learning his trade and has plenty of time to develop and improve further. Far too soon to write him off as not good enough.

If it’s doable financially and he’s happy to make the move, I’d be disappointed if we didn’t make it a permanent move. Exactly the sort of profile we should be signing.

I don’t see Taylor staying in which case we’d need a decent alternative for left back, on top of Maatsen.

BigGaz · Post by **BigGaz** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:46 pm

But that’s the point isn’t it, our whole ethos and strategy going forwards is going to be buying players like Maatsen who have weaknesses that preclude them playing at the highest level, and then nurturing and growing them so that they hopefully overcome these imperfections.

At the point Maatsen overcomes his carelessness with the ball, Zaroury & Benson become less inconsistent, at that point they are 20-40m talents, we move them on and start again with the next one we pick up for slightly more and sell on for slightly more.

Of course we’ll buy him.

CoolClaret · Post by **CoolClaret** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:48 pm

The mind boggles

Still in with a shout of beating Reading's points tally, Champions elect and one of our best players of the season who literally dices teams open from left back isn't good enough

I honestly suggest that you learn more about the game then you might not spout so much negative crap

Neil · Post by **Neil** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:49 pm

BigGaz wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:46 pm
But that’s the point isn’t it, our whole ethos and strategy going forwards is going to be buying players like Maatsen who have weaknesses that preclude them playing at the highest level, and then nurturing and growing them so that they hopefully overcome these imperfections.

At the point Maatsen overcomes his carelessness with the ball, Zaroury & Benson become less inconsistent, at that point they are 20-40m talents, we move them on and start again with the next one we pick up for slightly more and sell on for slightly more.

Of course we’ll buy him.

Good points Gaz. I think he's not the best defensively but definitely has room to improve.

Spiral · Post by **Spiral** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:50 pm

Lad literally just turned 21 about a month ago and is already one of the the best left backs I've seen play for Burnley. Some people are nuts.

mdd2 · Post by **mdd2** » Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:53 pm

Personally in the last two games I agree with the original poster but it is two games out of 36 or 37 and the lad last month has just turned 21-so please give us and the lad a break-he will only get better.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:14 am

only just 21, in his first proper full season, Dutch under 21 international but not good enough for us ? Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be chucking silly figures around to buy him but if the fee i decent we are buying potential - that's the club model

Swizzlestick · Post by **Swizzlestick** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:17 am

He was absolutely fine tonight

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:27 am

Papabendi wrote: ↑
Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:16 pm
Not for us in the Premier League I'm afraid.

God ,where did that empty headed statement come from,he had some monsters playing against him tonight ,and he handled them fine.

Robbie_painter · Post by **Robbie_painter** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:33 am

He’s no les Thompson

CrosspoolClarets · Post by **CrosspoolClarets** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 12:41 am

Maatsen is a bit like TAA where his defending is a bit wobbly but we are not Liverpool and a player like him could help us get the 10-12 wins we need each season.

He has done well. He is young. He will improve. He is keen. Passionate. If the price is right, a great addition.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:05 am

A very strange take from tonight's events

whiffa · Post by **whiffa** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:27 am

I think he's had a couple of shaky performances recently and has noticabley lost possession on a few occasions, but he'd be a player I'd love us to sign and overall has been a fantastic addition to our squad this season.

NRC · Post by **NRC** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:03 am

I came on here to read all the threads, and you know, soak it in after it became clear we could become champions next Saturday, and this happened to be the first one I opened. Un-frikkin-believable

His stats BTW, are virtually identical to Connor Roberts, and his touches/passes are more than Sheff Utd’s wingbacks combined, and twice as accurate

JohnDearyMe · Post by **JohnDearyMe** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:04 am

Think he's been poor in the last two games but only compared to the extremely high standard he's set himself this season. Would happily have him back

bobinho · Post by **bobinho** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:27 am

Excellent last nite. Only Johann with his two goals takes the MoM ahead of him. Some of his passing was sublime.

Gerrim signed.

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:30 am

He's 21 years old, scored 4 and assisted 6 goals. He's quick and has an excellent range of passing. Loads of room for improvement and already a superb player. Definitely get rid.

CryerBFC · Post by **CryerBFC** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:42 am

There was a bloke behind me in JHU last night slating his ever touch, sighing loudly, the words useless and rubbish were used more than once. And that was when he was simply keeping the ball, knocking it across the back line or into Cullen. The simple keep ball football we’ve become used to.

Instead, he wanted the ball hoofed 60 yards as Foster and Barnes had both made runs, which let’s be honest, had that happened, would have been either offside or meat and drink for the SU back line.

Finished it off with saying he’d never sign him, he’s crap.

Worst thing is reading this board there appears to be a few that are in the same boat.

Ian Maatsen is absolutely key to how we play, his goals and assists from left back is something I’ve never seen in my lifetime at this club. He’s a special player and one we need to keep!

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:51 am

Ian has been poor for a few games now. He started where he left off at Boro, giving the ball away too easy.
He did improve as the game went on, and 2nd half looked a lot better defensively.
He IS only young, and has a lot of credit in the bank from earlier in the season, but he has to learn how long he can hold onto the ball for, which will be a lot less next season in the Prem.
I'm happy to leave it to VK.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:29 am

Maatsen has been one of our key players this season, yes he's raw what do people expect from a 21 year old, but he's provided an attacking threat down the left all season, I understand some posters have concerns about him defensively, especially in the PL, but that is the role of the modern full back to get forward and join in the attacks.

We aren't going to able to shell out 10-15m for a PL ready LB, and it seems Charlie is on his way, so for me Maatsen will be pivotal, and if we can get him for a reasonable fee, which given he's in the final tear of his contract we should snap him up, he'll only improve that's for sure.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:47 am

Key part of a defence that’s kept umpteen clean sheets for a club that’s run away with the league but yeh he’s probably not good enough!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:53 am

Assuming we have a limit to what we can spend in the prem, and we want to keep most of the loanees, then he's important, but not as important as Beyer and Tella

There is a real player in there, but maybe another season on loan to us might be better than buying?

But if he is available (and I can't see why he wouldn't be) then I'd certainly take him

andyh · Post by **andyh** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:57 am

I hope Chelsea representatives are reading the OP. Yes we don’t think he is good enough but we will take him for £5M just because we are nice guys and want to help you out.

He is well worth a place next year given his age and number of games he has already played. He may get even better and be worth a fortune or stand still and be a lower Prem/ upper Championship level player. In either case it is worth the risk if the price is right.

Newcastleclaret93 · Post by **Newcastleclaret93** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:11 am

I don’t quite get the hate on Maatsen I think he’s on our best players and has a much better all round game then Taylor.

He’s very young and this season will have done him a world of good.

If we can get him for around 10-15m it will be a great bit of business.

Bullabill · Post by **Bullabill** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:41 pm

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:51 am
Ian has been poor for a few games now. He started where he left off at Boro, giving the ball away too easy.
He did improve as the game went on, and 2nd half looked a lot better defensively.

Agreed.

CnBtruntru · Post by **CnBtruntru** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:54 pm

NRC wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:03 am
I came on here to read all the threads, and you know, soak it in after it became clear we could become champions next Saturday, and this happened to be the first one I opened. Un-frikkin-believable

His stats BTW, are virtually identical to Connor Roberts, and his touches/passes are more than Sheff Utd’s wingbacks combined, and twice as accurate

Hey, don't come on here sticking stats into the mixer especially when there as good as Roberts whose been outstanding, he's 21 just, played against 2nd and 3rd oops, 4th in the League and did fine, everyone has off days, I believe he will only get better and his stock will rise, you are right this thread is unfrikkin-believable.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:58 pm

There’s a reason we where able to get Maatsen on loan and a reason we might be able to sign him, if a 21 year old was the perfect player he wouldn’t be available to us simple as that. Everyone has a mistake in them but surely Maatsen back next season after 12 months of the system and kompany coaching him defensively is better than trying to sign someone brand new

Stproc · Post by **Stproc** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:03 pm

Good job we’ve got £500m to spend then.

NottsClaret · Post by **NottsClaret** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:04 pm

I actually thought he did well last night, considering Sheff Utd were always likely to target him after the game at theirs. He's definitely learning and I'd love to see him stay. I'd say his toughest game was at Hull, got turned inside out by their winger but he's so important to how we play I reckon he's near the top of VK's wishlist this summer.

Papabendi · Post by **Papabendi** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:49 pm

Maatsen is a good player. My observation is he is raw, more so than our other loans, and we can't afford to carry that in the Prem. If Maatsen had given the ball away as much against Prem opposition as he did last night, we would be cut to ribbons. And no amount of tidy forward play is making up for that. Just reality.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:52 pm

Papabendi wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:49 pm
Maatsen is a good player. My observation is he is raw, more so than our other loans, and we can't afford to carry that in the Prem. If Maatsen had given the ball away as much against Prem opposition as he did last night, we would be cut to ribbons. And no amount of tidy forward play is making up for that. Just reality.

Good player but not good enough!? I’ll trust Kompany’s judgement!

TravisBickle · Post by **TravisBickle** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:39 pm

Easily the most exciting full back I’ve ever seen for us. And I include trippier in that list.

BurnleyFC · Post by **BurnleyFC** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:51 pm

TravisBickle wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:39 pm
Easily the most exciting full back I’ve ever seen for us. And I include trippier in that list.

That’s a good point.

He’s arguably better than Trippier when he played for us. And he was older.

I’d love it if we could sign him permanently.

TravisBickle · Post by **TravisBickle** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:05 pm

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 11, 2023 10:51 pm
That’s a good point.

He’s arguably better than Trippier when he played for us. And he was older.

I’d love it if we could sign him permanently.

He’s quicker than trips was when he was here. Technically on a par if not better. Trippier was great. No doubt about it. And the balls he used to land on Austin’s head something else. So not taking anything away from him. Just think Maatsen is better at the same age and has more potential.

DCWat · Post by **DCWat** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:11 pm

Papabendi wrote: ↑
Tue Apr 11, 2023 9:49 pm
Maatsen is a good player. My observation is he is raw, more so than our other loans, and we can't afford to carry that in the Prem. If Maatsen had given the ball away as much against Prem opposition as he did last night, we would be cut to ribbons. And no amount of tidy forward play is making up for that. Just reality.

He’s going to make some mistakes, he’s a young lad. He’s shown plenty of promise and if he keeps learning and developing as he has done this season, he’ll be fine at the level above.

We can’t just go out and buy a team of readymade, Premier League players.

He’s only going to improve over the next few years.

Damo · Post by **Damo** » Tue Apr 11, 2023 11:26 pm

I can't understand some of these comments.
We were nowhere near our best when he was injured.
Candidate for player of the year for me

Clive 1960 · Post by **Clive 1960** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 2:09 am

His defending needs improving but he's still learning and just gone 21 so I would sign him if the price is right but I wouldn't bet the ranch but Chelsea will know other teams will be interested in the kid .

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:05 am

Someone has clipped his performance from the other night:

https://twitter.com/AREDlTS/status/1645743571415302144

The pass for JBG at 1.38 was a thing of beauty (and the pin point cross field ball to Benson after it not bad either).

willsclarets · Post by **willsclarets** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:41 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:05 am
Someone has clipped his performance from the other night:

https://twitter.com/AREDlTS/status/1645743571415302144

The pass for JBG at 1.38 was a thing of beauty (and the pin point cross field ball to Benson after it not bad either).

His range of passing seems to be massively underrated, it's absolutely first class. I remember folk getting on Roberts back earlier in the season on here, now it's maatsen for close to no reason at all. The bloke has a solid chance of champions league level football and international tournaments in his career. When you compare his career in 15 years to most of this squads, as good as they are, I think his will look very favourable.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:47 am

Very good player for us, and I’d love to see him stay at the club. I don’t think I’d spend a huge amount to see that, if Chelsea price is out to above 5-7 million, we move on.

Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:14 am

He plays best with a winger in front of him. First half against Sheffield he didnt really have one to play to. Second half with Tella there he did and played better. I like him.

Conroysleftfoot · Post by **Conroysleftfoot** » Wed Apr 12, 2023 9:34 am

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 12, 2023 8:05 am
Someone has clipped his performance from the other night:

https://twitter.com/AREDlTS/status/1645743571415302144

The pass for JBG at 1.38 was a thing of beauty (and the pin point cross field ball to Benson after it not bad either).

Thanks for posting this. Hope we can get him back next season even if on loan. Obviously he will find it hard in the Prem but at 21 he's still learning.