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'Rapid unscheduled disassembly'

From what I've read, they weren't even sure if it would takeoff and anything after takeoff was going to provide valuable data for the next attempt

Trial and error so to speak

It's not rocket science

I mean, they could have employed people from NASA who know how to do it

I'm in the "at least it got off the ground"

As has already been said, they will analyse the data they have got for the second attempt

Musk is an absolute idiot at some things (twitter) but pretty good at stuff like this

Went absolutely perfectly for what they were trying to achieve with this first launch.

Volunteers for the first manned mission, please take one step forward.

claretburns wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:37 pm

Went absolutely perfectly for what they were trying to achieve with this first launch.

Perfectly? Really?

Within acceptable bounds of performance, maybe, but I feel like “perfectly” might have involved the rocket not falling to pieces seconds after take-off.

Greenmile wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:55 pm

Perfectly? Really?

Within acceptable bounds of performance, maybe, but I feel like “perfectly” might have involved the rocket not falling to pieces seconds after take-off.

Wasn't seconds it was a fairly significant period and it might have also helped that tit didn't fall apart hell that was the mains issue the fact that the rocket didn't fall apart as and when it was required to ergo the separation which caused it to tumble into a death spin at which point termination was needed launch was successful and space x made it clear that they didn't expect the full test to be successful considering it was the first time launches the super heavy booster and starship

All good. When they were testing their Falcon rocket launches, I think it was third time ok. Now just an every day launch and return.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:12 pm

All good. When they were testing their Falcon rocket launches, I think it was third time ok. Now just an every day launch and return.

just look at the video on youtube "how not to land a rocket" or smth loads of clips of every single time they failed to land the falcons and now like you say its every other day they are launching satellites then landing the boosters and reusing them. Space X have done massive things for Space exploration in recent years simply by lowering the cost of launching the rockets

Plus they are the goto link with the International Space Station, which put the Russkies out of play!

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:10 pm

I mean, they could have employed people from NASA who know how to do it

If NASA could, then they would.
They weren't toying with reusable rockets last time I checked, hence why the private sector has taken these huge leaps.

Great success and exciting to see that launch.

They got past maximum G forces and also cleared the tower, a shame they didn’t get past separation but still great success and a springboard for the future.

I see it as a process like training for the marathon, you don’t run 26 miles on day 1, it takes time to figure out how to do it and to get everything finely tuned.

The crux is not being worried about burning money on R&D when the big payday could be a decade away. Our Western democracies aren’t great at that, mainly because much of the public don’t understand the rationale as to why to spend money on it (look at all the HS2 arguments) and luckily Musk is a genius who can see past that. We are lucky to have him (speaking as a member of that western democratic collective). Can’t risk unfriendly nations getting a head start,

Total waste of money while there are homeless and destitute people needing help This vanity project is a total self indulgence

HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:08 pm

Wasn't seconds it was a fairly significant period and it might have also helped that tit didn't fall apart hell that was the mains issue the fact that the rocket didn't fall apart as and when it was required to ergo the separation which caused it to tumble into a death spin at which point termination was needed launch was successful and space x made it clear that they didn't expect the full test to be successful considering it was the first time launches the super heavy booster and starship

So not quite absolutely perfectly then?

I'm not claiming to know a great deal about this subject, but I'm pretty sure I know what the word "perfect" means, and that ^ isn't it. That was my only point.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:49 pm

Total waste of money while there are homeless and destitute people needing help This vanity project is a total self indulgence

I’ve often wondered about these costs.
Obviously the commercial stuff like communication satellites and so on will pay back. Then we get Teflon and pens that write upside down as spin offs.
I know blind science leads to some amazing and life changing discoveries but the huge sums of money spent on radio telescopes looking for distant life or how the universe began I find more difficult to understand.
We’re all curious but billions to detect a blip from deep space that we can’t do anything about I’m not so sure.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:39 pm

Great success and exciting to see that launch.

They got past maximum G forces and also cleared the tower, a shame they didn’t get past separation but still great success and a springboard for the future.

I see it as a process like training for the marathon, you don’t run 26 miles on day 1, it takes time to figure out how to do it and to get everything finely tuned.

The crux is not being worried about burning money on R&D when the big payday could be a decade away. Our Western democracies aren’t great at that, mainly because much of the public don’t understand the rationale as to why to spend money on it (look at all the HS2 arguments) and luckily Musk is a genius who can see past that. We are lucky to have him (speaking as a member of that western democratic collective). Can’t risk unfriendly nations getting a head start,

Christ almighty.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:31 pm

If NASA could, then they would.
They weren't toying with reusable rockets last time I checked, hence why the private sector has taken these huge leaps.

my comment was very much tongue in cheek. I honestly don't think NASA has long left, once Space X prove the concept the NASA funding will dry up, they've already canned loads of things

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:49 pm

Total waste of money while there are homeless and destitute people needing help This vanity project is a total self indulgence

Yawn

Anyone know what the carbon footprint was?
Can’t they design an electric one?

50 years ago rockets were going to moon , that’s progress

JohnMcGreal wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:00 pm

Christ almighty.

He has a point on the R&D front however, I would assume they would have classed this as a success if they had got past separation. Everything up until then would have been simulated very close to real world.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:49 pm

Total waste of money while there are homeless and destitute people needing help This vanity project is a total self indulgence

Nobut

Non stick pans

But seriously, if everybody thought like that we'd never make any progress. There's always something more worthy.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:57 pm

Nobut

Non stick pans

But seriously, if everybody thought like that we'd never make any progress. There's always something more worthy.

What progress would that be then ?

Casper2 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:58 pm

What progress would that be then ?

Erm... anything and everything ever achieved by mankind?

Pity Musk wasn't aboard.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 4:49 pm

Total waste of money while there are homeless and destitute people needing help This vanity project is a total self indulgence

People involved in the US civil rights movement had similar views in the 60s — somewhat justifiably, I might add — but the framing error then, as now, is the implication in the arguments made against the Apollo missions, and SpaceX today, that homelessness, destitution and poverty are a result of a misallocation of finite resources, when in fact a lot of countries are incredibly resource-rich, and the cause of strife in resource-rich countries is usually a dearth of political will to remedy it, not a shortage of money. Progressive politics and the uplift of the downtrodden is totally compatible with scientific advance. Without saying it explicitly (unless they're insane), wealth hoarders and their apologists would have people believe that a bit of poverty is the price humans must pay for progress, but history is littered with examples to the contrary. No country ever suffered by doing right by its people, but plenty have suffered by privileging its oligarchs at the wider public's expense. Any country capable of putting things into space is capable of putting roofs over heads. In most wealthy countries the political conditions are what dictate this, not its resources. It's not a zero-sum game.

Billy Balfour wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 3:53 pm

Volunteers for the first manned mission, please take one step forward.

Let's see. Who do we know that:-

1. Talk a good game and claim they are the biggest and best before anything actually starts.

2. Get off to a fantastic start shooting straight up with all guns blazing but then:

3. Explode/collapse/implode/fail to make the play-offs?

JohnMcGreal wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:00 pm

Christ almighty.

There was no one on board so nobody has been sent to meet Christ yet.

I do struggle to grasp though why so many lefties have been triggered in a negative way by this launch as can be seen on this thread such as this response to my tame post. It’s human progress, to benefit us all. Sadly we are in a competitive world with some nasty countries about, if the US don’t do this, those others will, and some pretty nasty side-inventions could spin off from it like new forms of military rockets. I just see the naysayers as a bit naive and I applaud Musk of his desire to see humans colonising Mars.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:26 pm

People involved in the US civil rights movement had similar views in the 60s — somewhat justifiably, I might add — but the framing error then, as now, is the implication in the arguments made against the Apollo missions, and SpaceX today, that homelessness, destitution and poverty are a result of a misallocation of finite resources, when in fact a lot of countries are incredibly resource-rich, and the cause of strife in resource-rich countries is usually a dearth of political will to remedy it, not a shortage of money. Progressive politics and the uplift of the downtrodden is totally compatible with scientific advance. Without saying it explicitly (unless they're insane), wealth hoarders and their apologists would have people believe that a bit of poverty is the price humans must pay for progress, but history is littered with examples to the contrary. No country ever suffered by doing right by its people, but plenty have suffered by privileging its oligarchs at the wider public's expense. Any country capable of putting things into space is capable of putting roofs over heads. In most wealthy countries the political conditions are what dictate this, not its resources. It's not a zero-sum game.

Agree with this 100%, though as I write above there is a bigger picture. The roof over one’s head is (mainly) a metaphor but as seen in Ukraine it becomes real all too often. It isn’t just looking after all one’s population (which is of course vital) but also staying the most powerful country in the world, they lose that, it could affect us all or our kids in ways we cannot fathom.

This has to be private sector of course, can we imagine HM Treasury approving this kind of thing

Rowls wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:59 pm

Erm... anything and everything ever achieved by mankind?

Like exploding rockets

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:04 pm

There was no one on board so nobody has been sent to meet Christ yet.

I do struggle to grasp though why so many lefties have been triggered in a negative way by this launch as can be seen on this thread such as this response to my tame post. It’s human progress, to benefit us all. Sadly we are in a competitive world with some nasty countries about, if the US don’t do this, those others will, and some pretty nasty side-inventions could spin off from it like new forms of military rockets. I just see the naysayers as a bit naive and I applaud Musk of his desire to see humans colonising Mars.

I bet you read the Mail/Express and vote Tory

Casper2 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:13 pm

Like exploding rockets

The only way anyway has ever built a working rocket is to first build an exploding rocket.

Musk is/will be the scientist of our era with the likes of Newton, Tesla etc. He will achieve extraordinary things.

HagridsHut wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:17 pm

Musk is/will be the scientist of our era with the likes of Newton, Tesla etc. He will achieve extraordinary things.

Am sure Elon designed every last nut and bolt on SpaceX and the Tesla Motor Cars oh hang on a minute ..... Sorry he is a moneyman not a scientist

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:23 pm

Am sure Elon designed every last nut and bolt on SpaceX and the Tesla Motor Cars oh hang on a minute ..... Sorry he is a moneyman not a scientist

He's somewhere in between but the analogy with Newton et al is very imperfect.

Paypal, Tesla, Spacex, Skylink, Twitter and then he's also got his fingers in a few pies that may or may not come to fruition. He certainly has a level of vision and clarity that is extraordinary.

After today, is anybody actually questioning whether they DID put a man o the moon in the 60's.... ??

Claretincraven wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:32 pm

Anyone know what the carbon footprint was?
Can’t they design an electric one?

Assuming this this was TIC.....

Casper2 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:35 pm

50 years ago rockets were going to moon , that’s progress

It's a very valid point

Bosscat wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:23 pm

Am sure Elon designed every last nut and bolt on SpaceX and the Tesla Motor Cars oh hang on a minute ..... Sorry he is a moneyman not a scientist

He has the drive and determination, similar to Steve Jobs.

Jobs didn't design/make anything, he did however drive the team at Apple to make better products every single year and Musk does the same pretty much.

Sometimes that's what's needed for progress to be made.

Rowls wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:17 pm

The only way anyway has ever built a working rocket is to first build an exploding rocket.

Refer to my previous point

gawthorpe_view wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:53 pm

'Rapid unscheduled disassembly'

in other words the feckin thing blew up!!!

Ampth7 wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:18 pm

in other words the feckin thing blew up!!!

Gotta tip your hat to the Yanks in these situations.
Challenger Disaster 'Obviously a Major Malfunction', an absolute masterclass in understatement.

HagridsHut wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:17 pm

Musk is/will be the scientist of our era with the likes of Newton, Tesla etc. He will achieve extraordinary things.

I hope you are trolling and not being a naive fanboy. Musk is not a scientist. He employs scientists.And even if he was , to compare him with Newton etc is bonkers.

Sutton-Claret wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:32 pm

Assuming this this was TIC.....

Not really, why should it be?

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:04 pm

There was no one on board so nobody has been sent to meet Christ yet.

I do struggle to grasp though why so many lefties have been triggered in a negative way by this launch as can be seen on this thread such as this response to my tame post. It’s human progress, to benefit us all. Sadly we are in a competitive world with some nasty countries about, if the US don’t do this, those others will, and some pretty nasty side-inventions could spin off from it like new forms of military rockets. I just see the naysayers as a bit naive and I applaud Musk of his desire to see humans colonising Mars.

There's only one human I'd like to see colonise Mars, and that's Musk himself. Actually, that's not true. I'd like to see a good number of over-privileged dip5hits do it. Preferably tomorrow.

Also, I think you needed a bigger gap between 'nasty countries' and 'the US'. Bit jarring, that.

I hope and pray that our billionaire class destroys the Earth as soon as possible so that I can work in indentured servitude on Mars as soon as possible. Thank you to the genius Mr Musk.

People would be universally impressed by SpaceX if the project leader didn't post some tweets that particularly offended them.
What a bizarre world we live in currently