Today's football 20/04

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:30 pm

Europa League and Euro Conference quarter finals taking place tonight. United away at Sevilla, 2-2 on agg, and West Ham at home to Gent 1-1 on agg at 8pm.

Couple of decent early kicks offs, in the first leg Lech lost 4-1 on home to Fiorentina, they're currently winning 3-1 in Fiorentina and have 6 mins plus added time to take the tie to extra time.

In the Conference league AZ are leading 2-0 against Anderlecht on the night after losing 2-0 in Belgium last week so that tie is all square at 2-2 with 5 mins or so left.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:42 pm

I expect the Hammers to progress, but it's a toughie for Man U, Seville have a great record at home in European competition.
And United will also have Sunday's Cup semi against Brighton on their minds.
It'll be tight, but United to go out tonight, I reckon.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:10 pm

Slabhead and De Gea.

1-0 Seville

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:11 pm

Union Saint-Gilloise Fc

Had never even heard of these until recently.
They were apparently the main team in Belgium, pre war.
60 games undeateated from 1933 until 35.
Only got back into the top division in '21 after 48 years out of it.

Yes, I know....must get out more.

Carwin261 · Post by **Carwin261** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:13 pm

How bad is Maguire?

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:24 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:11 pm
Union Saint-Gilloise Fc

Had never even heard of these until recently.
They were apparently the main team in Belgium, pre war.
60 games undeateated from 1933 until 35.
Only got back into the top division in '21 after 48 years out of it.

Yes, I know....must get out more.

Owned by Brighton chairman Tony Bloom. Brighton sent Mitoma on loan there last season.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:30 pm

Dreadful from Maguire again.

West Ham also behind 2-1 on aggregate now.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:41 pm

West Ham back level.

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:41 pm

2-0 Sevilla, MU all over the place

Edit: VAR check for offside...

simonclaret · Post by **simonclaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm

Disallowed, MU out of jail

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm

VAR...disallowed.
Still 1-0.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:48 pm

Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:11 pm
Union Saint-Gilloise Fc

Had never even heard of these until recently.
They were apparently the main team in Belgium, pre war.
60 games undeateated from 1933 until 35.
Only got back into the top division in '21 after 48 years out of it.

Yes, I know....must get out more.

Burnley born Ross Sykes on the bench for them.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:49 pm

simonclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:43 pm
Disallowed, MU out of jail

They got lucky there, and their defending certainly has been criminal in this 1st half, not that their attacking has been any better mind you.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:08 pm

United 2-0 down, got to say it is all over with the way they have performed so far.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:08 pm

2-0 United looking out of it.

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:12 pm

If Brighton turn up then I think they will dominate United on Sunday at Wembley.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:15 pm

Weggy on.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:16 pm

Weghorst to the rescue.........Seville fans rocking the stadium!

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:18 pm

Whenever Sevilla get to the Quarter Final of the Europa League or previously the UEFA Cup they have gone on to win it, superb record.

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:21 pm

The Seville crowd looks like a Persil advert.

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:26 pm

Weghorst reminds me of a string puppet when he runs.

Ric_C · Post by **Ric_C** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:29 pm

Weghorst is playing worse than when he played for us

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:30 pm

Rob Green on the BBC lamenting Weghorst's lack of quality.......what about the rest of them?

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:42 pm

That's the Tin hat on it!

ElectroClaret · Post by **ElectroClaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:42 pm

3.
United collapsing.
De Gea

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:55 pm

De gea is shambolic with his feet. Needs binning off.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:00 pm

——————————————————————-Harry Maguire——me
Can play a sideways pass over 25yds……./…………………../
Can trap a sideways pass over 25yds……./……………………/
Can carry a ball 20yds into 30yds grass../……………………./
Head explodes when closed down…………/……………………./
Turns slower than the Titanic………………../……………………/
Can’t tackle……………………………………………./…………………../
Leadership ability…………………………….…….x……………….…./
Worth £80m…………………………………………….x……………………x

Gareth pick up the phone, in my head I’m better than Slabhead.

Here's-Johnny · Post by **Here's-Johnny** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:02 pm

Weghorst the stand out player for utd alongside maguire...the rest were pretty mediocre tbh

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:02 pm

I was amazed my bookie was offering 14/5 on Sevilla to win this evening. I couldn't resist a small bet- thankfully recouped my afternoon's Newmarket losses. When I saw the team selection before the game I was very confident- I shouldve bunged a few more quid on really.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:02 pm

claretburns wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:12 pm
If Brighton turn up then I think they will dominate United on Sunday at Wembley.

Just said the same to Mrs T. A team full of confidence against this rabble.

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:06 pm

Classic Robbie Savage agenda on full display

"That's a great block from the Sevilla defender but it's poor from Weghorst"

I mean, it can't possibly be both so which is it numbnuts ?

Buxtonclaret · Post by **Buxtonclaret** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:08 pm

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:24 pm
Owned by Brighton chairman Tony Bloom. Brighton sent Mitoma on loan there last season.

Think Bloom's connection might have besn the first time I'd ever heard of the club.

Lip · Post by **Lip** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:08 pm

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Stayingup · Post by **Stayingup** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:10 pm

tiger76 wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:30 pm
Dreadful from Maguire again.

West Ham also behind 2-1 on aggregate now.

Some player is this 80 million pound centre half isn't he?

LeadBelly · Post by **LeadBelly** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:16 pm

Looking at the "player rater" on the BBC website: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65327031

c 4.7 (/10) for Casemiro, Eriksen, Antony are tops for United starters currently; Sancho. Martial, de Gea, Maguire all under 4 (Harry on 3.05)

Subs all under 3, Weghorst lowest on 2.77.

I didnt see the game, take it United didnt play well

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:39 pm

Utd dismal, however West Ham cruised through, and there's every prospect of Cornet & Ings lining up in a European final soon.

Colburn_Claret · Post by **Colburn_Claret** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:51 am

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:06 pm
Classic Robbie Savage agenda on full display

"That's a great block from the Sevilla defender but it's poor from Weghorst"

I mean, it can't possibly be both so which is it numbnuts ?

There is definitely a pundit melt down where Wout is concerned.
The amount of stick, and deriding he gets is ridiculous.
WE know he isn't the greatest player to grace the prem, so what. He does what Ten Haag wants, he has proved himself in other arenas, but most importantly the Prem is littered with players no better, and a good few worse, than him.
So why do all these pundits think it gives them licence to slag him off, it's a giant band wagon that they all feel the need to jump on.
You don't here them calling these other players, for other teams. He has to be better than Maguire, who these same so called experts will jump to the defence of when he gets called up for England again.
Is it just because he is on loan from us, and in their arrogant ignorance, it just doesn't sit right with them a Burnley player, playing for United. They need to get off his back and start looking at the rest of that squad.

Foshiznik · Post by **Foshiznik** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 8:41 am

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:51 am
There is definitely a pundit melt down where Wout is concerned.
The amount of stick, and deriding he gets is ridiculous.
WE know he isn't the greatest player to grace the prem, so what. He does what Ten Haag wants, he has proved himself in other arenas, but most importantly the Prem is littered with players no better, and a good few worse, than him.
So why do all these pundits think it gives them licence to slag him off, it's a giant band wagon that they all feel the need to jump on.
You don't here them calling these other players, for other teams. He has to be better than Maguire, who these same so called experts will jump to the defence of when he gets called up for England again.
Is it just because he is on loan from us, and in their arrogant ignorance, it just doesn't sit right with them a Burnley player, playing for United. They need to get off his back and start looking at the rest of that squad.

Agreed. There are at least 7/8 players who should be in the firing line ahead of him in the United squad.

tiger76 · Post by **tiger76** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:01 am

Utd's woes on the road continue, and for me there's a clear lack of leaders in their squad these days.

Not the first time they've collapsed on their travels this season either.

Brentford 4 Man Utd 0

Man City 6 Man Utd 3

Liverpool 7 Man Utd 0

And yet they've also won the LC, and beaten Barcelona in Europe, so they do have the ability it's their mentality which I would question.

Tricky Trevor · Post by **Tricky Trevor** » Fri Apr 21, 2023 9:15 am

Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑
Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:51 am
There is definitely a pundit melt down where Wout is concerned.
The amount of stick, and deriding he gets is ridiculous.
WE know he isn't the greatest player to grace the prem, so what. He does what Ten Haag wants, he has proved himself in other arenas, but most importantly the Prem is littered with players no better, and a good few worse, than him.
So why do all these pundits think it gives them licence to slag him off, it's a giant band wagon that they all feel the need to jump on.
You don't here them calling these other players, for other teams. He has to be better than Maguire, who these same so called experts will jump to the defence of when he gets called up for England again.
Is it just because he is on loan from us, and in their arrogant ignorance, it just doesn't sit right with them a Burnley player, playing for United. They need to get off his back and start looking at the rest of that squad.

I’ve defended him by saying the ball never comes to him in the right spot for having a 1 touch or two touch finish. Eventually it grows on you that he’s a CF and he’s not getting in the correct positions. The supply into his feet is abysmal though.