On a final list of four apparently. Includes Vinny, Poch, Nagelsmann and another not known (although it’s not Enrique).

Would be nice to put the uncertainty to bed. Chelsea of old would go for the biggest name looking to win things immediately . Is this the case now?

Chelsea is only an attractive job if you want the pay off from the inevitable sacking, much like when Abramovich was there.

They hired an up and coming manager, then signed any player they could, instead of what they needed and sacked the manager when it got tough thinking he was to blame.

Going there would harm the career of any other up and coming manager now.

Why would he go to Chelsea? Only need to look at certainly their last 2- Potter and Tuchel, maybe Lampard before them, to know that if it’s not instant winning nearly every game, it’s goodnight Vienna, then where would he go? Certainly not Man City.

Claretitus wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:55 pm

Why would he go to Chelsea? Only need to look at certainly their last 2- Potter and Tuchel, maybe Lampard before them, to know that if it’s not instant winning nearly every game, it’s goodnight Vienna, then where would he go? Certainly not Man City.

Tuchel didn’t do too badly out of it with now being at Bayern. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Potter get a top 10 club when he returns too.

Chelsea are the new Watford

Claretitus wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:55 pm

Why would he go to Chelsea? Only need to look at certainly their last 2- Potter and Tuchel, maybe Lampard before them, to know that if it’s not instant winning nearly every game, it’s goodnight Vienna, then where would he go? Certainly not Man City.

Tbf, Tuchel, was the only good manager they've employed in recent times. Lampard and Potter woefully out of their depth at that level.

Would be a bizarre move for both parties.

Chelsea is not the place for a young, upcoming project manager who needs time as Potter just found out.

Also, as much as I love Vinny, if I was Chelsea I’d be wanting someone with more experience managing a top club first. Nagelsmann and Pochettino are both ahead of him in the running anyway it seems (and rightly so).

I won't get into whether it's likely he'll go to Chelsea. We've done that to death on the Spurs links. Assuming he genuinely is being considered for these huge jobs though, it is interesting how in relative inexperience is forgiven for the right "style".

I've loved every minute of this season and hope Kompany is with us for a good few years yet, but relative to Sean Dyche, he's only had one good managerial season so far in his career. Dyche was very rarely linked with top jobs, despite some absolutely fantastic seasons with us. I think Sunderland was the biggest link/closest he ever came to going. Clearly they aren't in the same stratosphere as Spurs and Chelsea.

If the worst happens and he does leave for one of these top jobs this summer, I really hope he isn't chewed up and spat out like so many young managers before him.

Is Vinnie on Port Vales shortlist yet?

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/stat ... 9712911360

Nagelsman has ruled himself out

Naglesmann has withdrawn himself to become the new Chelsea head coach according to Fabrizio Romano

agreenwood wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 3:26 pm

If the worst happens and he does leave for one of these top jobs this summer, I really hope he isn't chewed up and spat out like so many young managers before him.

This is exactly why I think he won't just jump at the first opportunity that comes his way. The guy is way too level-headed. He will have his career path in his mind and I don't think he'll put that in jeopardy for short term gain. If he goes to a big club too soon and fails, he's not going to get another shot.

Look at Gerrard - Liverpool is the end goal, had some success at Rangers (arguably a similar-ish level to us), made the jump too soon and now the best thing he gets linked is the Poland job??

He’d have to be off his rocker to go there now, he seems very sensible and level headed but I keep thinking I have seen it all in football and keep getting proven wrong.

Nagelsmann is similar age but has been coaching all this career and in senior football at the top level for over 7 years, whereas Frankie is 7 years older than Vincent. Even those two would be out of their depth at Chelsea and Nagelsmann has just done Bayern.

VK is hyper confident but that can be a failing not just a strength. I hope he makes the right decision were there a decision to be made.

Vinnie us a deep thinker. Doubt very much this would appeal to him. Needs to see how his team compete with the big boys next season. If they have some success he will possibly leave us for the big bucks at the end of next season. Also our Owners./ Board are not messing around they've got big plans and would likely make another good appointment should Vinnie choose to leave us at any point.

They sacked Moreno in his prime, then sacked him again. Some of the biggest names in management have been shown the door there. I sometimes wonder if even Pep could have survived that firing culture

I’m convinced there’s a succession plan at The Etihad…..
“Do a job at Burnley, Vince, and when Pep moves on it’s yours. If Pep’s retirement from the role is dragging on, and you’re done at Burnley, go to an interim position - we don’t care where - and then come here when Pep retires”

He’s a blue… his family are blues. He came here to be in Manchester. He’s not going anywhere soon, or if it does, it will be an Everton or Leeds, or maybe Wolves, all of which he can commute to

Given that this information is in the public domain and that VK is widely available at odds of 8/1 makes me think not to much to be concerned about yet.

I'd be absolutley amazed if he's on the shortlist and he's not communicated some interest lets be honest here

A lot is down to what a good job he's done in a ridiculous short space of time, plus the drastic and very successful change of style, and the high turnover of players

But there is a massive difference between doing that with us and doing that with a massively bloated squad like Chelsea and with a fan base/owners who won't give him any sort of sensible time scale to do it in

Saying that, its a hell of an opportunity for him at this stage of his career

Whatever decision he makes, then I'm sure he's thought through all the implications and if he does go, then he's left us in a very good position

PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:47 pm

On a final list of four apparently. Includes Vinny, Poch, Nagelsmann and another not known (although it’s not Enrique).

Unfortunately hes not on their level
So good news

Top 6 clubs normally get their fingers burned when appointing a manager not proven at the very highest level.
They cannot afford to spend a season hovering in mid table whilst the new manager “learns on the job”.

Graham Potter a case in point.

PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:47 pm

On a final list of four apparently. Includes Vinny, Poch, Nagelsmann and another not known (although it’s not Enrique).

When you say 'apparently', does that mean he actually might not be on a final list of four, or definitely is?

Flying Without Ings wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:57 pm

Tuchel didn’t do too badly out of it with now being at Bayern. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Potter get a top 10 club when he returns too.

Palace or West Ham tops - De Zerbi has shown that Potter's success at Brighton isn't unique

Now being reported that he had a three hour call with Chelsea after their match with Brighton! That’s a long call!

Targetman wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:39 pm

When you say 'apparently', does that mean he actually might not be on a final list of four, or definitely is?

In this context, I'd have thought apparently means that it's being reported as true, but the person who posted can't be sure. A good choice of word in the situation.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:48 pm

Now being reported that he had a three hour call with Chelsea after their match with Brighton! That’s a long call!

Reported by a 12 yo

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:48 pm

Now being reported that he had a three hour call with Chelsea after their match with Brighton! That’s a long call!

Busy man if this is true by the way. Was in Berkshire with the team until the early evening last Saturday and in France Sunday morning for the lunchtime KO at Lille.

Not saying he couldn’t have fitted in a 3 hour phone call with Chelsea on Saturday night, but seems a bit far fetched given his itinerary.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:48 pm

Now being reported that he had a three hour call with Chelsea after their match with Brighton! That’s a long call!

Presumably Alan Pace must have given permission for VK to speak to another club over their managerial vacancy if this report is true.

It took VK 3 hours to convince Chelsea that he was happy at Burnley?

Chelsea, turning into a Premier league version of Watford ?

kentonclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:06 pm

Presumably Alan Pace must have given permission for VK to speak to another club over their managerial vacancy if this report is true.

It took VK 3 hours to convince Chelsea that he was happy at Burnley?

If nothing else, Alan Pace is very much a realistic man......Perhaps he himself has already been given permission to speak to Duffo ?

With respect to Duffer, he might not be top of that particular list.

Royboyclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:13 pm

If nothing else, Alan Pace is very much a realistic man......Perhaps he himself has already been given permission to speak to Duffo ?

This fascination with our ex players as managers is more than a little weird

We are a premier league team next season, playing football that most of us never thought we'd see

At the very least, you'd want us to get a manager in (if VK does leave) who has the same ideas of playing football and has some experience of the European leagues

Darnhill Claret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:16 pm

With respect to Duffer, he might not be top of that particular list.

Don't be so sure......but let's hope that situation fails to materialise.

For what it's worth, the bookies have Pochettino a big favourite for the Chelsea job

I doubt that many chairmen would deny the manager the opportunity to talk to another club as it would be likely to create confrontation.

Stop panicking lads

The problem I see is that the following teams are looking for managers either now or in the summer

Chelsea
Tottenham
West Ham
Leicester
Leeds
Southampton
Notts Forest
Crystal Palace

That is quite a lot of clubs, and those that stay up will be quite interested in VK one would think

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:39 pm

The problem I see is that the following teams are looking for managers either now or in the summer

Chelsea
Tottenham
West Ham
Leicester
Leeds
Southampton
Notts Forest
Crystal Palace

That is quite a lot of clubs, and those that stay up will be quite interested in VK one would think

And to be fair the rumours around him may make some quick to try and make move.

PremierLeagueClass wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 2:47 pm

On a final list of four apparently. Includes Vinny, Poch, Nagelsmann and another not known (although it’s not Enrique).

It'll be Brent. Longest serving English manager!!!

Sounds as though all eyes will be on VK at the final home game to see if he is waving goodbye.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:39 pm

The problem I see is that the following teams are looking for managers either now or in the summer

Chelsea
Tottenham
West Ham
Leicester
Leeds
Southampton
Notts Forest
Crystal Palace

That is quite a lot of clubs, and those that stay up will be quite interested in VK one would think

All things relative, there is only Chelsea and Spurs on that list that is a definite step up to a better and bigger club.
All of the other teams, like Stoke and Bolton and Portsmouth and a hundred others before them, are only a bad season away from relegation and potentially decades out of the top division.

Once you are in and amongst the rest there is no time for projects, or learning, or patience, because the money is so important and teams with a decade of top flight football will be paying some of their players 100k a week with no relegation clauses. I'm fairly sure that VK will have a free hit of a season next year without fear of the sack if we're bottom at christmas. His career won't be over if he relegates us. It might be over if he gets Chelsea finishing 12th.

I could see him keeping us up, and if he does so comfortably and Eddie Howe fails to get Champions League football or a cup win or whatever delusion the Toon are operating under at that moment in time, going to Newcastle. There he could show how he can spend big money and overachieve with a smaller club than City before ultimately taking on the City job.

Great that Chelsea have been so open and honest about the situation. So they’ve considered options and come down to a list of 4 and sent out these details to be published in the press etc. nice that they want us all to know about the details. Really?

Or the alternative :

The press gave just printed a complete and utter load of ballcocks?

taio wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:49 pm

In this context, I'd have thought apparently means that it's being reported as true, but the person who posted can't be sure. A good choice of word in the situation.

A better choice of word might well be bulls**t!!

If VK spends another season at Burnley and is given sufficient funds to bring in new players, top clubs will be watching on to see how he adapts from the Championship to the PL and whether his playing style and tactics are just as effective.

Burnley finishing bottom of the table will hardly enhance his career prospects.

Targetman wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:15 pm

A better choice of word might well be bulls**t!!

Or apparently bulls**t!!

Why wouldn't Chelsea and Spurs at least want to consider him?

I'd love it to be bulls**t, but I think he's on the shortlist

I do think he'll be seriously impressive in an interview

I'm reassured by the bookies making Pochetino the clear favourite though

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 5:48 pm

Now being reported that he had a three hour call with Chelsea after their match with Brighton! That’s a long call!

Feck me,if anybody believes that they need to put in Calderstones.

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:18 pm

This fascination with our ex players as managers is more than a little weird

We are a premier league team next season, playing football that most of us never thought we'd see

At the very least, you'd want us to get a manager in (if VK does leave) who has the same ideas of playing football and has some experience of the European leagues

It’s more than a little weird, I mean… I appreciate we aren’t massive but I think sometimes people still think we’re a doddering club that’s just come up from the third division.

Duff or Barton hasn’t done anything to be anywhere near the Burnley job whatsoever. Shouldn’t and wouldn’t be in our top 20 if the worst was to happen

I do agree that there's probably a succession plan in place with City, but if either Chelsea or Spurs comes knocking in the meanwhile, he'd be crazy not to take it. We couldn't begrudge him joining any of the top teams in Europe, surely.

claret_in_exile wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 21, 2023 7:39 pm

I do agree that there's probably a succession plan in place with City, but if either Chelsea or Spurs comes knocking in the meanwhile, he'd be crazy not to take it. We couldn't begrudge him joining any of the top teams in Europe, surely.

Utter bullshit,he's going nowhere.