Obviously not sure of the deal or contract but what's better than a proven 20 plus championship goalscorer for an automatic Premier league return ?

Depends tbh.
They need proven goal scorers in this league, which he is now.

He's contracted until 2025

The going rate for goalscorers from this league is £20 million plus

Saints are good at getting silly money for their players.

We may not be the only ones interested in him.

We don't know if there was an option to buy included in the loan deal.

This thread on the Saints forum has been discussing this lately:

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/topic/59620 ... la/page/6/

Seems most of their fans think they should be asking for 20-25m and hold all the cards because he's their player/got 2 years left on his contract.

I personally can't see Burnley paying more than 15m and even that is a stretch.

I'm sure Nathan himself will be desperate to join us in the summer so you wonder how much that plays its part.

All the signs say Tella wants to be here. If that is the case that’s what’ll happen.
It’ll just be a case of arranging a deal that works for all parties.

They'll also want to cut their wage bill while bringing in some extra dosh.

I can’t imagine there was an option to buy included with the loan given Southampton had the option to recall him for a period in January

buzzclarets79 wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 11:31 am

All the signs say Tella wants to be here. If that is the case that’s what’ll happen.
It’ll just be a case of arranging a deal that works for all parties.

What signs?

The signs like his total immersion in the group. The signs like the look on his face when he plays - the look on his face when he scores. He just looks and behaves like he loves it here. Surely you can see that?

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 11:40 am

What signs?

Tell me you don't watch Burnley without etc

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 11:40 am

What signs?

Heh. It shouldn't need spelling out.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 11:43 am

The signs like his total immersion in the group. The signs like the look on his face when he plays - the look on his face when he scores. He just looks and behaves like he loves it here. Surely you can see that?

He's obviously buzzing he's playing well & who wouldn't be happy being part of a title winning team clinching promotion but I'm questioning is that enough to signify him wanting it enough with all the other factors that come into play. It's bias that we want to believe that's enough.

No doubt Tella wants to be here next season and playing in the Premier League rather than in the Championship with Southampton. I'm pretty sure VK will want to sign him permanemtly and there's no guarantee he'll produce the goods back at Southampton in a different style of team with a different coach, especially if he's not entirely happy there.

I'm sure there's a deal to be done but it all depends if Southampton will sell for a realistic price and what other Premier League clubs are after him, only time will tell.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 11:43 am

The signs like his total immersion in the group. The signs like the look on his face when he plays - the look on his face when he scores. He just looks and behaves like he loves it here. Surely you can see that?

You only have to look at his hat trick against Blackburn and his three fingered salute to see that he understands our club and how much he has enjoyed his time here. Every time I see him play for us he gives 100% and is absolutely buzzing, anyone who can't see this and thinks he doesn't want to be here is blind.

buzzclarets79 wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 11:31 am

All the signs say Tella wants to be here. If that is the case that’s what’ll happen.
It’ll just be a case of arranging a deal that works for all parties.

I would say what the player wants holds very little sway at all in this circumstance.

Southampton hold all the power and if anything he’s someone they are more than likely planning to build around for next season in the championship.

They also have plenty of sellable assets so it’s not like they will even be desperate for the money.

I wonder if Ashley Barnes would like a Championship swansong back on the south coast?!

In theory Tella is Southampton's player and under contract so Southampton can make him go and play for them. In practice, if you insist that a player plays on a reserve/youth team wage in the Championship when he has an offer to play for a first team wage in the Premier League, it doesn't normally end well.

I'm more worried about other PL teams wanting him. If other PL teams will pay more to Southampton and Tella is given the choice of say Brentford or stop at Southampton, he'd probably go to Brentford rather than push to an extreme degree for Burnley.

jdrobbo wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 12:10 pm

I wonder if Ashley Barnes would like a Championship swansong back on the south coast?!

From his club interview put out the other week, it sounds like he and his family are very settled up here, they even said his mother in law had moved up

Wouldn’t be surprised if Duff has had words with him about joining him at Barnsley

Their relegation will make it a lot harder IMO.

If they go down they'll sell the likes of Ward-Prowse, Lavia, Bella-Kotchup etc. for fees that will easily match/exceed what we brought in last summer so financially they'll be really secure and will only have to sell players like Tella if the money is too good to turn down.

If Tella kicks up a fuss it may bring the price down a little but ultimately Southampton hold all the cards. The only other hope we'd have is if they don't get big enough offers for the aforementioned players like JWP early doors and they have cash flow problems in that short term.

What the player wants holds a lot of sway. What’s the point in Saints pricing out a player who wants to move and play Premier League football? There’s usually one winner in that and it’s not the club. I think we’ve also shown a bit more ruthlessness in the past re transfers and we certainly won’t be throwing whatever money Saints ask for at it.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 11:25 am

This thread on the Saints forum has been discussing this lately:

https://www.saintsweb.co.uk/topic/59620 ... la/page/6/

Seems most of their fans think they should be asking for 20-25m and hold all the cards because he's their player/got 2 years left on his contract.

I personally can't see Burnley paying more than 15m and even that is a stretch.

I'm sure Nathan himself will be desperate to join us in the summer so you wonder how much that plays its part.

Maths not a strong suit for Saints fans apparently. They all seem to think 2025 is 3 - 4 years away from reading that.

dsr wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 12:22 pm

I'm more worried about other PL teams wanting him. If other PL teams will pay more to Southampton and Tella is given the choice of say Brentford or stop at Southampton, he'd probably go to Brentford rather than push to an extreme degree for Burnley.

And they'll probably be able to pay better wages than us.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 12:38 pm

And they'll probably be able to pay better wages than us.

Not sure there will be much difference in wages from Brentford to Burnley tbh.

Lot of people making the assumption Kompsny wants him back

I am sure that Kompany will want Tella provided the price is right.

Until relatively recently (January-ish) I wasn't convinced he'd be that high up our priority list for January. But his maturity as a goalscorer and a team player since then has altered my thinking if I'm honest. He's got a combination of finishing ability, outright pace, movement across the line, and workmate that will be very hard to replace next season. Take 20 goals out of any team and it presents a huge challenge even before you consider the step up.

But the price has to be sensible, and we've seen before that ironically, eye catching performances at Championship level can be disproportionately valuable when compared to proven performances at PL level below the elite level. McNeil went for 20m last summer with a far more impressive body of Premier League work behind him. By comparison Gibbs White went to Forest for fortunes because he'd excelled in the Championship and that had attracted more excitement than doing "fine" in the Premier League. That may well be our challenge with Tella this summer.

`I think perhaps I know more than you on this one.

Papabendi wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 1:32 pm

`I think perhaps I know more than you on this one.

If you have any specific knowledge then you do - i claim none. Although quite a lot of media suggestions we've been exploring a deal for Tella.

Personally think he will go back if saint's are going to play him next season in the championship if they go down which looks likely, I will be gutted but he is there player , I suppose he could throw is toy's out of the pram .

bobinho wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 11:43 am

The signs like his total immersion in the group. The signs like the look on his face when he plays - the look on his face when he scores. He just looks and behaves like he loves it here. Surely you can see that?

Yep but other than that “what signs” ?
Please god give me just one tiny little sign !!

I’m also not convinced Kompany or importantly Pace will mind being priced out of a player with ‘English tax’ on his head.

I like Tella, he’s been a brilliant player for the club, and has endeared himself to the fans but I think we can now see that sentiment is behind business sense in the management of the club.

Love to have him, but only at the right price and if it fits in with the long term objectives of VK and AP.

Quite a few factors come in to play here but one of the main ones is what Tella wants. I can well imagine he is keen to have a crack at the prem with us and VK following his breakthrough season. Saints will no doubt want him for the Championship, but he may well look at that and say no thank you.

Saints can and no doubt will ask for £20-25 million quid as is their right to do so, but I think that may well turn interested clubs away including ourselves. At which point, is the player happy to stay there for another year at Championship level or does he force a move? Keeping unhappy players simply doesn’t work, so a compromise would then need to be made unless someone came in and offered asking price.

Personally, as much as I rate the lad, he’s still relatively untested at prem level and he’s only had one good season at a lower level. Therefore, I don’t think we will be able or willing to spend more than £15-20 million at the very most. Interested to know what others would be willing to spend on Tella?

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 12:30 pm

What the player wants holds a lot of sway. What’s the point in Saints pricing out a player who wants to move and play Premier League football? There’s usually one winner in that and it’s not the club. I think we’ve also shown a bit more ruthlessness in the past re transfers and we certainly won’t be throwing whatever money Saints ask for at it.

To be fair swizzlestick that is usually because the player is a key member of the squad (on significant wages). Tella is neither for Southampton, the club hold a lot more power in this situation.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 1:50 pm

To be fair swizzlestick that is usually because the player is a key member of the squad (on significant wages). Tella is neither for Southampton, the club hold a lot more power in this situation.

You don’t think he’ll be a key player for them in the Championship after what he’s done this season? An unhappy player is helpful to nobody, especially if it starts spreading to the rest of the squad. And, while this is idle speculation just to keep certain posters happy, he’s not going to be happy at missing out on a PL chance.

Cooclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 1:47 pm

I’m also not convinced Kompany or importantly Pace will mind being priced out of a player with ‘English tax’ on his head.

I like Tella, he’s been a brilliant player for the club, and has endeared himself to the fans but I think we can now see that sentiment is behind business sense in the management of the club.

Love to have him, but only at the right price and if it fits in with the long term objectives of VK and AP.

Fully agree with this. I’ve absolutely no doubt there are back ups in case we can’t land him.

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 1:55 pm

You don’t think he’ll be a key player for them in the Championship after what he’s done this season? An unhappy player is helpful to nobody, especially if it starts spreading to the rest of the squad. And, while this is idle speculation just to keep certain posters happy, he’s not going to be happy at missing out on a PL chance.

I don’t get the impression Tella will kick up a fuss if Southampton keep him regardless. But whatever way you look at it Tella is clearly not a key player for them (at the moment) so the player power with him is considerably lower than if JWP or Lavia were pushing for a move.

We are in a very unfortunate position that they will not need the cash so it will take a big bid to get him. I just can’t see them letting him go for anything less than 20m (perhaps even 25m).

I would love Tella to sign, a brilliant player for us.
Anything above £15m though and I think that price doesn't fit in with our business plan of buying, improving and selling.

Tella won't be as successful in the PL as the Championship so the margin to improve is lessened.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 1:59 pm

Fully agree with this. I’ve absolutely no doubt there are back ups in case we can’t land him.

I personally think they will already have a long list of European targets for this role.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 2:00 pm

I don’t get the impression Tella will kick up a fuss if Southampton keep him regardless. But whatever way you look at it Tella is clearly not a key player for them (at the moment) so the player power with him is considerably lower than if JWP or Lavia were pushing for a move.

We are in a very unfortunate position that they will not need the cash so it will take a big bid to get him. I just can’t see them letting him go for anything less than 20m (perhaps even 25m).

That's somewhere not far off put it this way it'll take more than a big beaming smile to do the business as some posters seem to think will edge it.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 2:02 pm

I personally think they will already have a long list of European targets for this role.

No doubt. Wouldn't be surprised if the Genk pair Tresor/Paintsil are on the list.

Also I would happily take Amad Diallo from United for the season, he's impressed me at Sunderland and looks Prem ready.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 2:08 pm

That's somewhere not far off put it this way it'll take more than a big beaming smile to do the business as some posters seem to think will edge it.

Absolutely nobody has said that, but making up stuff to suit a narrative is par for the course with you.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 2:00 pm

I don’t get the impression Tella will kick up a fuss if Southampton keep him regardless. But whatever way you look at it Tella is clearly not a key player for them (at the moment) so the player power with him is considerably lower than if JWP or Lavia were pushing for a move.

We are in a very unfortunate position that they will not need the cash so it will take a big bid to get him. I just can’t see them letting him go for anything less than 20m (perhaps even 25m).

No championship club would turn down £10m for someone they don't see as a key player, just so they can watch his value go down. If they turn down more than that it can only because he has signed a new, PL-standard contract.

He wasn't a key player for them in the past, but he could be if he stayed on - which is unlikely if and when a PL club comes calling. Tella might have less push than Ward-Prowse, but then the club has less reason to push back against him. Keeping him on under his present contract is unlikely to work out IMO.

Swizzlestick wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 2:10 pm

Absolutely nobody has said that, but making up stuff to suit a narrative is par for the course with you.

That did seem to be some sort of a sign that represented an arrival, lots of moving parts for it to be a foregone conclusion.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 1:36 pm

If you have any specific knowledge then you do - i claim none. Although quite a lot of media suggestions we've been exploring a deal for Tella.

I’d love to know the ratio of media stories that translate to actual business. I read one the other week that was discussing Kompany’s first signing for Chelsea.

claretspice wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 1:36 pm

If you have any specific knowledge then you do - i claim none. Although quite a lot of media suggestions we've been exploring a deal for Tella.

and if we've been exploring a deal then it's reasonable to assume that Southampton asked for 20-25m as is the sentiment on here, to which, and in keeping with our business model, we have said no thanks. I'd love the guy here, but Pace has his model, and my take on Kompany is that he doesn't hold sentiment too highly on a professional level

dsr wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 2:14 pm

No championship club would turn down £10m for someone they don't see as a key player, just so they can watch his value go down. If they turn down more than that it can only because he has signed a new, PL-standard contract.

He wasn't a key player for them in the past, but he could be if he stayed on - which is unlikely if and when a PL club comes calling. Tella might have less push than Ward-Prowse, but then the club has less reason to push back against him. Keeping him on under his present contract is unlikely to work out IMO.

Good point, I just see tella as a unique situation where he’s currently not key and doesn’t have enough power to push for a move. But I also see him as a player Southampton will want to keep to help with their promotion push.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 2:09 pm

No doubt. Wouldn't be surprised if the Genk pair Tresor/Paintsil are on the list.

Also I would happily take Amad Diallo from United for the season, he's impressed me at Sunderland and looks Prem ready.

Paintsil has a very similar play style to tella. I think you might have found a ready made replacement

His mate MO could give him a few hints on what to do if a summer move doesn't come about, to ensure it goes through in January.

Could save us a bit of money too

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 12:08 pm

I would say what the player wants holds very little sway at all in this circumstance.

Southampton hold all the power and if anything he’s someone they are more than likely planning to build around for next season in the championship.

Tella turns around and says I want out, I want a transfer, I don’t want to play here (Saints)

I think the players have all the power. A contract just means the teams need to discuss what it’ll take to get the deal done.

buzzclarets79 wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 6:11 pm

Tella turns around and says I want out, I want a transfer, I don’t want to play here (Saints)

I think the players have all the power. A contract just means the teams need to discuss what it’ll take to get the deal done.

They really don’t, certain players hold a lot of power but not all.

To answer the original OP Southampton being relegated will make this transfer a hell of a lot more difficult.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 6:22 pm

They really don’t, certain players hold a lot of power but not all.

To answer the original OP Southampton being relegated will make this transfer a hell of a lot more difficult.

You could say that as an understatement, they've seen what he's done here & they'll be thinking right we want some of that.

Jakubclaret wrote: ↑

Mon May 01, 2023 6:24 pm

You could say that as an understatement, they've seen what he's done here & they'll be thinking right we want some of that.

They might think that but if the player doesn’t want to be there do you think he’ll play his heart out…. I’m sorry but once a player comes out and says that’s it I want to be somewhere else it happens as a rule. Why would any club keep a player that simply doesn’t want to be there.

Some will also depend on Southampton’s financial position, no doubt they’ll be experts on here that will know what that’ll be, but they may need cash.