Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

Browntuba · Post by **Browntuba** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:37 pm

Interesting, idle gossip ? Or genuine possibility ?

https://twitter.com/claretxtra/status/1 ... f6L4cfnPaw

Jambounchained · Post by **Jambounchained** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:37 pm

Is Palmer actually that good? I'm not so sure. There was a lot of talk about how good Liam Delap is - he's been absolutely woeful on his loan spells so far.

RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:45 pm

Jambounchained wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:37 pm
Is Palmer actually that good? I'm not so sure. There was a lot of talk about how good Liam Delap is - he's been absolutely woeful on his loan spells so far.

Big difference is that Palmer has played many more times for the first team than Delap did. Scored in the Champions League either last season or the one before. As well, starts for the England u21s. I watched him against Chelsea for City at the end of last season and he was great. City fans don’t seem to think he’s at their level (fair enough, not that many are) but I think he’d be a brilliant signing at our level.

jedi_master · Post by **jedi_master** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:47 pm

Jambounchained wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:37 pm
Is Palmer actually that good? I'm not so sure. There was a lot of talk about how good Liam Delap is - he's been absolutely woeful on his loan spells so far.

I think the key to that is Guardiola playing him 36 times over the last two seasons. Delap has barely featured and was shipped out (you could say the same too for the likes of THB....and Trafford). The fact he's kept him around and played him pretty regularly - 25 games in the treble winning season just gone - is enough for me. He's probably not kicked on enough in those appearances to mark him out as a Foden level player and maybe now they are willing to ship him out with a buy back clause.

On my own viewings of City I think he's looked really good, but he was hit and miss in the Euros for me. Too many times went down a blind alley. I do like his arrogance and swagger though. If a permanent deal was genuinely something possible I'd be absolutely delighted, I expected a loan at absolute best.

colne-claret · Post by **colne-claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:47 pm

whiffa wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 09, 2023 7:56 pm
Yeah I'll enlighten you, Twitter is full of ****. Stop reading it.

Not as painful as this thread to be fair

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:55 pm

Work with a couple of big city fans, one who acts as if he's in the know but I have n idea on that. Purely what i've heard at work so please take with a pinch of salt. They discussed that Foden was saved by man city from "his enviroment" but alluded that Palmer might be more of a challenge. Take that how you want.

123EasyasBFC · Post by **123EasyasBFC** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:01 pm

Conroy92 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:55 pm
Work with a couple of big city fans, one who acts as if he's in the know but I have n idea on that. Purely what i've heard at work so please take with a pinch of salt. They discussed that Foden was saved by man city from "his enviroment" but alluded that Palmer might be more of a challenge. Take that how you want.

Saved from his environment in the same meaning as ravel Morrison at united, having to move him away or?

Jakubs Tash · Post by **Jakubs Tash** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:09 pm

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RVclaret · Post by **RVclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:10 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:09 pm
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Well, we can’t wait around for Chelsea to decide what to do can we. Could be 4 games into the season before they decide he’s available. Hope we’ve advanced with another option in meantime.

claretonthecoast1882 · Post by **claretonthecoast1882** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:13 pm

Poch will want to have a look at Chilwell & Lewis Hall as well

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:27 pm

Socrates wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:02 pm
Because Roberts isn’t as fast as the fastest player in the league he isn’t good enough?

That’s quite a take.

Not at all, and you’re purposefully missing the other point made to give yourself an opportunity to critique.

You’d naturally measure against the best player in that position in a similar system. You could also say he doesn’t have TAA passing abilities for example.

Wokingclaret · Post by **Wokingclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:34 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:27 pm
Not at all, and you’re purposefully missing the other point made to give yourself an opportunity to critique.

You’d naturally measure against the best player in that position in a similar system. You could also say he doesn’t have TAA passing abilities for example.

Yep for the centre forward, lets start with Harry Kane and move down

Remember, Roberts wasn't picked by Dyche at the start (his usual thing) then he got that serious illness as well as his wife being pregnant, we only got to see the real Roberts last season.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:37 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:15 pm
Getting very technical now but for someone who still sees football as basically a simple game can you please explain to me what you mean by 'he's too slow in transition'?
Oh, and secondly what are your views on the potential cost of a TAA/Walker to a club like ours? Just asking out of curiosity and some wonderment.

Roberts (imo) struggles to play on a half turn and doesn’t have the ability to play in tight spaces proficiently. He can’t receive the ball in his right (defence or inside midfield) channel and find a forward pass to progress play. He’s an explosive player, and (imo) not that gifted technically which hinders him.

8 times out of 10 he will choose to turn back to the CB/GK or move it across to the opposite FB. He takes the impetus/pace out of an attack and allows the opposing team time to reshape.

The other two times he will try and power past players in the inside or outside.

I get he’s a Burnley player and not in Liverpools or Man City’s squads for a reason, I accept the at. I also feel he is one of the areas we could improve on within the team quite easily. I haven’t seen O’Shea play so don’t know if he could fit the bill.

If I had my pick, I would go for Garner at Everton.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:38 pm

Wokingclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:34 pm
Yep for the centre forward, lets start with Harry Kane and move down

Remember, Roberts wasn't picked by Dyche at the start (his usual thing) then he got that serious illness as well as his wife being pregnant, we only got to see the real Roberts last season.

Yes, exactly. You look to find the best player that suits your system of play.

Salah is perfect for Roma and Liverpool but woeful at Chelsea.

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:39 pm

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:01 pm
Saved from his environment in the same meaning as ravel Morrison at united, having to move him away or?

Sometimes the people around you aren't always a good influence, wouldn't want to speculate much further as it could be nonsense.

roperclaret · Post by **roperclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:58 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:37 pm
Roberts (imo) struggles to play on a half turn and doesn’t have the ability to play in tight spaces proficiently. He can’t receive the ball in his right (defence or inside midfield) channel and find a forward pass to progress play. He’s an explosive player, and (imo) not that gifted technically which hinders him.

8 times out of 10 he will choose to turn back to the CB/GK or move it across to the opposite FB. He takes the impetus/pace out of an attack and allows the opposing team time to reshape.

The other two times he will try and power past players in the inside or outside.

I get he’s a Burnley player and not in Liverpools or Man City’s squads for a reason, I accept the at. I also feel he is one of the areas we could improve on within the team quite easily. I haven’t seen O’Shea play so don’t know if he could fit the bill.

If I had my pick, I would go for Garner at Everton.

James Garner? the central Midfielder who’s played 1 game as right wing back?

Taffy on the wing · Post by **Taffy on the wing** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:06 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:37 pm
Roberts (imo) struggles to play on a half turn and doesn’t have the ability to play in tight spaces proficiently. He can’t receive the ball in his right (defence or inside midfield) channel and find a forward pass to progress play. He’s an explosive player, and (imo) not that gifted technically which hinders him.

8 times out of 10 he will choose to turn back to the CB/GK or move it across to the opposite FB. He takes the impetus/pace out of an attack and allows the opposing team time to reshape.

The other two times he will try and power past players in the inside or outside.

I get he’s a Burnley player and not in Liverpools or Man City’s squads for a reason, I accept the at. I also feel he is one of the areas we could improve on within the team quite easily. I haven’t seen O’Shea play so don’t know if he could fit the bill.

If I had my pick, I would go for Garner at Everton.

Just logged in to say...........What a load of Codswallop!

Lancasterclaret · Post by **Lancasterclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:09 pm

I think its a tad unfair to compare any of our players to the best in their position in the prem, for whatever reason

Surely its better to compare them to the equivalent at a team closer to our level?

I mean, if you compare Connor Roberts to say, Crystal Palaces right back, then that (presumably) be a lot useful for starters than TAA?

GodIsADeeJay81 · Post by **GodIsADeeJay81** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:14 pm

roperclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:58 pm
James Garner? the central Midfielder who’s played 1 game as right wing back?

Are you forgetting that some fans can accurately judge a player after a solitary game?

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:16 pm

roperclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:58 pm
James Garner? the central Midfielder who’s played 1 game as right wing back?

Who only played there because Coleman and Paterson were injured, pretty sure Everton spent £15m on him too.

fatboy47 · Post by **fatboy47** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:17 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:14 pm
Are you forgetting that some fans can accurately judge a player after a solitary game?

Especially if they're "pony".

KRBFC · Post by **KRBFC** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:18 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:09 pm
I think its a tad unfair to compare any of our players to the best in their position in the prem, for whatever reason

Surely its better to compare them to the equivalent at a team closer to our level?

I mean, if you compare Connor Roberts to say, Crystal Palaces right back, then that (presumably) be a lot useful for starters than TAA?

Stop with the sensible posts, it’s better to compare Foster to Haaland so we can slag our players off for being sh!t in comparison.

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:21 pm

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:14 pm
Are you forgetting that some fans can accurately judge a player after a solitary game?

Genuine question - in your opinion, what is the number of games fans should give a player before forming judgement?

Big Vinny K · Post by **Big Vinny K** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:36 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:21 pm
Genuine question - in your opinion, what is the number of games fans should give a player before forming judgement?

Depends on the player
Depends on his age
Depends on the league
Depends on the opponent
Depends on their circumstances
Depends when he is signed
Depends on……

But most of all it depends on how stupid the fan is.

Steve-Harpers-perm · Post by **Steve-Harpers-perm** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:51 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:37 pm
Roberts (imo) struggles to play on a half turn and doesn’t have the ability to play in tight spaces proficiently. He can’t receive the ball in his right (defence or inside midfield) channel and find a forward pass to progress play. He’s an explosive player, and (imo) not that gifted technically which hinders him.

8 times out of 10 he will choose to turn back to the CB/GK or move it across to the opposite FB. He takes the impetus/pace out of an attack and allows the opposing team time to reshape.

The other two times he will try and power past players in the inside or outside.

I get he’s a Burnley player and not in Liverpools or Man City’s squads for a reason, I accept the at. I also feel he is one of the areas we could improve on within the team quite easily. I haven’t seen O’Shea play so don’t know if he could fit the bill.

If I had my pick, I would go for Garner at Everton.

Have you copied and pasted the first paragraph off a coaching website?

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:01 pm

Big Vinny K wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:36 pm
Depends on the player
Depends on his age
Depends on the league
Depends on the opponent
Depends on their circumstances
Depends when he is signed
Depends on……

But most of all it depends on how stupid the fan is.

Let’s take Foster for example then.

How many games until you can confirm you agree with me that he’s pony (if you don’t already)?

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:05 pm

roperclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:58 pm
James Garner? the central Midfielder who’s played 1 game as right wing back?

Yeah, think he’s going to be a star.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:05 pm

Steve-Harpers-perm wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:51 pm
Have you copied and pasted the first paragraph off a coaching website?

Nope, all my own work.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:07 pm

Taffy on the wing wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:06 pm
Just logged in to say...........What a load of Codswallop!

Football is a game of opinions, we don’t all see the same thing.

Conroy92 · Post by **Conroy92** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:11 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:01 pm
Let’s take Foster for example then.

How many games until you can confirm you agree with me that he’s pony (if you don’t already)?

You really do need banning for your use of the word Pony. It actually makes me cringe so hard I could break my skin.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:12 pm

Lancasterclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 5:09 pm
I think its a tad unfair to compare any of our players to the best in their position in the prem, for whatever reason

Surely its better to compare them to the equivalent at a team closer to our level?

I mean, if you compare Connor Roberts to say, Crystal Palaces right back, then that (presumably) be a lot useful for starters than TAA?

I think you have to compare systems not teams. Liverpool and and Man City are the two current closest imo.

Crystal Palace aren’t close to us, even more so under Woy. Mee was a fantastic player in a Dyche system, he would be awful in this current system. Same for Pope, and Taylor, I think McNeil would thrive in this system as JG has.

We might change systems in the premier league, we might have three or four we use.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:13 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:01 pm
Let’s take Foster for example then.

How many games until you can confirm you agree with me that he’s pony (if you don’t already)?

We have the bet right? Did you take me up, or ignore me, genuinely can’t recall?

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:15 pm

Conroy92 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:11 pm
You really do need banning for your use of the word Pony. It actually makes me cringe so hard I could break my skin.

You should probably visit your GP then.

Chuckypad · Post by **Chuckypad** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:16 pm

Conroy92 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:11 pm
You really do need banning for your use of the word Pony. It actually makes me cringe so hard I could break my skin.

It gives him a hard on, that's why he keeps using it

Silkyskills1 · Post by **Silkyskills1** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:17 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:37 pm
Roberts (imo) struggles to play on a half turn and doesn’t have the ability to play in tight spaces proficiently. He can’t receive the ball in his right (defence or inside midfield) channel and find a forward pass to progress play. He’s an explosive player, and (imo) not that gifted technically which hinders him.

8 times out of 10 he will choose to turn back to the CB/GK or move it across to the opposite FB. He takes the impetus/pace out of an attack and allows the opposing team time to reshape.

The other two times he will try and power past players in the inside or outside.

Did you identify all.of those 'issues' Roberts apparently has during the last season where he was arguably, I stress arguably, Burnley's most consistent performer?
According to your assessment he doesn't appear to have much going for him. Really makes one wonder how he has managed to attain Premier league and international status. I'll be keeping an eye on him after this for sure.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:24 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:17 pm
Did you identify all.of those 'issues' Roberts apparently has during the last season where he was arguably, I stress arguably, Burnley's most consistent performer?
According to your assessment he doesn't appear to have much going for him. Really makes one wonder how he has managed to attain Premier league and international status. I'll be keeping an eye on him after this for sure.

To be fair to the poster he was on Roberts back every week until his performances were recognised by most fans after the World Cup.
I think he handled the ball one week which was blamed on his slowness of either body or mind

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:26 pm

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:17 pm
Did you identify all.of those 'issues' Roberts apparently has during the last season where he was arguably, I stress arguably, Burnley's most consistent performer?
According to your assessment he doesn't appear to have much going for him. Really makes one wonder how he has managed to attain Premier league and international status. I'll be keeping an eye on him after this for sure.

I did, and have mentioned it a few times before. You must’ve missed them?

Tarks reached premier league and international status, could he play in this team as effectively as our current CB’s? Could Chris Wood?

claretburns · Post by **claretburns** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:27 pm

jlup1980 wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 3:19 pm
He's worth what a club is willing to pay for him and I can't see him moving on for anything less than £25m in the current market. We all know it's crazy, we all know it's not sustainable, but we also know it's true!

I don't disagree with you at all that he will probably be sold in the £25-30 million bracket (if not more), I just hope we have the sense to go no where near it and at the prices being mentioned we won't.

Anthonini · Post by **Anthonini** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:27 pm

Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:09 pm
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If that is the case we should try to go for Sergio Gómez. Doesn't look like he will make it into the first team. Brilliant guy who can do anything on the ball. Defensively not the strongest though but what a player. In Spain u21 he plays as a right winger.

Now that City are basically playing without a lb there's no future for him there. Hopefully we can get a good deal. He just became top scorer in the u21 tournament. What a guy. And he loves Kompany for launching him as a lb at Anderlecht.

Cooclaret · Post by **Cooclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:29 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:24 pm
To be fair to the poster he was on Roberts back every week until his performances were recognised by most fans after the World Cup.
I think he handled the ball one week which was blamed on his slowness of either body or mind

*body position

He didn’t read the situation and left himself exposed.

I didn’t say Roberts was a bad player, just that he wasn’t and isn’t best suited to the system VK predominantly played last season. It may be that we have other systems to play this year and Roberts suits them more.

I think we can upgrade him and it would be a huge benefit to the system (if it stays the same) and the teams output. I think we will play more counterattack this season which means Roberts could be found wanting even more.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:36 pm

I think we will need Roberts' character and will to win this season. Especially with so many young inexperienced players in the squad.
For me that overrides any technical deficiencies he might have. I don't think he has many

Row Z · Post by **Row Z** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:39 pm

Cooclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:29 pm
*body position

He didn’t read the situation and left himself exposed.

I didn’t say Roberts was a bad player, just that he wasn’t and isn’t best suited to the system VK predominantly played last season. It may be that we have other systems to play this year and Roberts suits them more.

I think we can upgrade him and it would be a huge benefit to the system (if it stays the same) and the teams output. I think we will play more counterattack this season which means Roberts could be found wanting even more.

Despite equalling his best goal scoring season and getting numerous mentions by VK as being one of our more intelligent players? I think he’s well suited to the system.. but any player can be improved upon and we would benefit from him having more pace.

Flying Without Ings · Post by **Flying Without Ings** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:54 pm

Ashley Young apparently off to Everton on a free. I’m sure Dyche tried to sign him for us a few years back.

StayingDown4Ever · Post by **StayingDown4Ever** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:58 pm

Flying Without Ings wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:54 pm
Ashley Young apparently off to Everton on a free. I’m sure Dyche tried to sign him for us a few years back.

you can’t get much more of a Dyche signing than this.

Elizabeth · Post by **Elizabeth** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:58 pm

It might have been even more recently than that. He did a job at Villa but how old is he now?

Selby Claret · Post by **Selby Claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:00 pm

roperclaret wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 4:58 pm
James Garner? the central Midfielder who’s played 1 game as right wing back?

Too much of a maverick for my liking

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:01 pm

Anthonini wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:27 pm
If that is the case we should try to go for Sergio Gómez. Doesn't look like he will make it into the first team. Brilliant guy who can do anything on the ball. Defensively not the strongest though but what a player. In Spain u21 he plays as a right winger.

Now that City are basically playing without a lb there's no future for him there. Hopefully we can get a good deal. He just became top scorer in the u21 tournament. What a guy. And he loves Kompany for launching him as a lb at Anderlecht.

he's already said he wants to stay at City and fight for his place (sadly!)

northeastclaret · Post by **northeastclaret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:04 pm

Elizabeth wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:58 pm
It might have been even more recently than that. He did a job at Villa but how old is he now?

38 yesterday

Vegas Claret · Post by **Vegas Claret** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:05 pm

Everton after Tom Heaton too

Big Vinny K · Post by **Big Vinny K** » Mon Jul 10, 2023 7:06 pm

StayingDown4Ever wrote: ↑
Mon Jul 10, 2023 6:01 pm
Let’s take Foster for example then.

How many games until you can confirm you agree with me that he’s pony (if you don’t already)?

As said it really depends on stupidity of fan.
The algorithm is the more stupid the fan the less time he gives a player.
You are on the “really fecking stupid” end of the spectrum so I’m guessing you gave him a game or 2 ?