Summer transfer window 2023 - rumours, links and discussion.

[summitclaret]

Let’s build a system round Charlie Taylor then. See how far that gets us.

Bit of a daft response. Don't think anyone wants to do that. If we don't get get a new starter lb in, then we'd be mad to let Charlie go. Anyway, there's a fair chance that we'll have to change our system to stay up.

[Spijed]

From looking at how difficult it's been for Man U. to get a left back it does suggest it's not that straightforward. Probably because there are far fewer left footed players in the game, and as a result, even fewer quality left backs as most kids with a left foot won't want to play in that position as they make their way up the leagues.

So any quality ones will most likely be out of our price range.

[clarethomer]

Bit of a daft response. Don't think anyone wants to do that. If we don't get get a new starter lb in, then we'd be mad to let Charlie go. Anyway, there's a fair chance that we'll have to change our system to stay up.

I just don't get why people think Charlie Taylor would ever be considered as a permanent LB in VKs system.

He needs a player who is more than a traditional LB like Charlie is. If that was the way we play, completely agree that he should be there.

I can't see us changing our system personally.

[arise_sir_charge]

Bit of a daft response. Don't think anyone wants to do that. If we don't get get a new starter lb in, then we'd be mad to let Charlie go. Anyway, there's a fair chance that we'll have to change our system to stay up.

Only as daft as the obsession with Taylor when it’s abundantly clear VK doesn’t see him as a suitable option in that position.

We will 100% sign a left back before Friday.

[123EasyasBFC]

I just don't get why people think Charlie Taylor would ever be considered as a permanent LB in VKs system.

He needs a player who is more than a traditional LB like Charlie is. If that was the way we play, completely agree that he should be there.

I can't see us changing our system personally.

We have already changed our system in each of the 2 games this season

[Hapag Lloyd]

Did Taylor play much the season we qualified ?

According to wiki he played 11 games the season we qualified and then started in 4 of 6 the European games.

[Darnhill Claret]

VK has said we will change our system 3 or 4 times in a game if we need to.

[burnley007]

Have we bought a left back yet?

[Woodleyclaret]

Delcroix

[123EasyasBFC]

Turfcast saying Daka is legit possibility but Nixon said no. The Burnley way said nothing in origi yesterday then back tracked. Eekk not a good few days for the ITKs

[123EasyasBFC]

Delcroix

1000% not a left back, he was so much better at cb

[clarethomer]

We have already changed our system in each of the 2 games this season

I don't pay too much to the formations as I can never work it out since SD left.

I do know though that we seem to like our RB/LBs being more advanced and its rare that I see us in a straight back four with all four defenders in there. Usually Cullen has dropped back and Roberts is more advance etc.

Regardless - as someone said after me, its very clear that VK doesn't see the answer to his problem in that position as Charlie Taylor whatever any of us think.

Like Charlie - been a good servant to the club but from day one VK has seen CT more as a CB than a LB.

[arise_sir_charge]

According to wiki he played 11 games the season we qualified and then started in 4 of 6 the European games.

He started 10 games with Ward starting 28.

[burnley007]

Delcroix

Isn't he a left-footed centre back who has occasionally played LB? He looked like he'd never played there before on Sunday.

Could go on to be a decent centre back, but he just strikes me as another Taylor kinda player.

[Rick_Muller]

Only as daft as the obsession with Taylor when it’s abundantly clear VK doesn’t see him as a suitable option in that position.

We will 100% sign a left back before Friday.

But what happens if/when we dont?

[Hapag Lloyd]

Are you suggesting we resign Stephen Ward?

No, Alex Elder

[RVclaret]

Delcroix did quite well at left back. Good technical ability, decent athleticism. Has the profile for it. Wasn’t his fault that side was getting overloaded due to the system issues. I wouldn’t be ruling him out as cover there.

[clarethomer]

VK has said we will change our system 3 or 4 times in a game if we need to.

That's not what I meant. What I meant is that I can't see VK going back to a rigid back 4 like SD used to play.

As you say, the players he has can change formations to do subtle system changes in a game. I can only conclude by the absence of CT is that he is either injured, or that VK knows that he has players that are more rounded to meet those formations and system changes required.

[ArmchairDetective]

Maatsen, like all of our players, have some gaps in their game. If they didn't they would be signing for Man City, not Burnley. Despite his alleged weaknesses (for what it's worth I thought he had a cracking season last year and had no more weaknesses than any other player we had) I think he would be a fantastic signing who already knows our system and who better to continue to coach him than one of the greatest defenders the Premier League has seen...

I'm choosing to believe the fact that some of our fan base are turning their nose up at the potential signing of Maatsen indicates how high our standards and expectations have become under Kompany.

[jlup1980]

I just don't get why people think Charlie Taylor would ever be considered as a permanent LB in VKs system.

He needs a player who is more than a traditional LB like Charlie is. If that was the way we play, completely agree that he should be there.

I can't see us changing our system personally.

I don't think anyone is considering Taylor as a permanent LB.

However, we started Delcroix at LB in a more traditional back 4 vs Villa. He was dreadful. He did well in the second half when he was moved more central but I personally thought he was all over the place in the first half. Vitinho was the weak link vs City and clearly isn't a LB.

They are both square pegs in round holes until we get a permanent solution sorted. What I can't understand is why we aren't utilising Charlie in the meantime. If we're starting 4 at the back he's the obvious choice surely?

[Pickles]

With Kompany as manager, Taylor is not a left back. It's as simple as that.

[northeastclaret]

Obviously VK doesn’t see a role for Charlie due to not even being included on the bench for the two matches, but what about Ekdal , was he injured or should he also be looking for another club?

Not seen anything on him , apologises if the answer is on another thread.

[CoolClaret]

With Kompany as manager, Taylor is not a left back. It's as simple as that.

& if we continue to get nailed there and the replacement doesn’t offer much more offensively then we’re right to question the managers decision.

[RicardoMontalban]

Isn't he a left-footed centre back who has occasionally played LB? He looked like he'd never played there before on Sunday.

Could go on to be a decent centre back, but he just strikes me as another Taylor kinda player.

He also looked like someone who had only met his teammates for the first time a couple of days previous.

Oh, hang on…

[RVclaret]

https://x.com/sachatavolieri/status/169 ... 94459?s=46

[equinox]

In any system that's ever been dreamt up be it 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 with pivots and false 9's through to 1-10 with inverted ghost wingers, Charlie Taylor is a better option than Vitinho or Delcroix

[nyclaret]

In any system that's ever been dreamt up be it 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 with pivots and false 9's through to 1-10 with inverted ghost wingers, Charlie Taylor is a better option than Vitinho or Delcroix

*In your opinion

[burnley007]

He also looked like someone who had only met his teammates for the first time a couple of days previous.

Oh, hang on…

Absolutely.

But I would assume he's not the solution to our left back problem. He will be a left-sided CB I would guess.

[brexit]

That's not what I meant. What I meant is that I can't see VK going back to a rigid back 4 like SD used to play.

As you say, the players he has can change formations to do subtle system changes in a game. I can only conclude by the absence of CT is that he is either injured, or that VK knows that he has players that are more rounded to meet those formations and system changes required.

Said this before if we play 3-4-3 we don't need full backs so Lb not a priority but centre backs and wingers are oh wait that's our transfer policy

[RicardoMontalban]

Absolutely.

But I would assume he's not the solution to our left back problem. He will be a left-sided CB I would guess.

It may be, given time, that under certain scenarios he is. We’ve see such markedly different formations from just two games - both from each other and last season - that I’m not sure we can make that call.

Certainly if we set up like we did last season then no, he’s not. But I think we are going to see much more variation in how we approach each game based on the opposition.

That said I’ll be stunned if we don’t sign an out and out LB.

[summitclaret]

Said this before if we play 3-4-3 we don't need full backs so Lb not a priority but centre backs and wingers are oh wait that's our transfer policy

And as we saw on Sunday, it's naive and we'll concede goal after goal.

[Colburn_Claret]

1000% not a left back, he was so much better at cb

For a debut he was also very good at LB.
Our lack of bite in the middle of the pitch left us exposed to the counter. Watkins, and Diaby, who cost 52 mill, were on fire with their pace.

I'd agree he's a natural CB, but it's horses for courses and without a LB we have lots of options with fast, ball carrying, good passing defenders who can play the role. The in game rotation in the system means many of these players would be playing that role, even if we bought a LB.

[claretlegend]

Sacha sounds confident we'll get Ian Maatsen there.

[Goody1975]

Having the freedom to attack means you have to be able to protect the back four when you lose possession, we are so vulnerable at the moment, last season we kept possession as a way of defending but we aren't going to dominate many games this season.

Just about every top class side has had a player who protects them in these situations, no body better than Rodri at this moment in time.

I'd love to think we are in for an athletic midfielder who can add that steel to the middle of the park, to allow the attacking talent to thrive.

[agreenwood]

If I’ve read the rules right, we’re allowed a total of 4 loans, with a max of 2 from the Prem.

Brun-Larsen is already here on loan, which means Maatsen, Tresor and Origi would take us to the limit?

[Anthonini]

If I’ve read the rules right, we’re allowed a total of 4 loans, with a max of 2 from the Prem.

Brun-Larsen is already here on loan, which means Maatsen, Tresor and Origi would take us to the limit?

Add Bakayoko as a cherry on top. What a team!

[Spijed]

Add Bakayoko as a cherry on top. What a team!

Is Tresor good at shielding the ball in midfield, as that's what we need?

[claretspice]

I don't think anyone is considering Taylor as a permanent LB.

However, we started Delcroix at LB in a more traditional back 4 vs Villa. He was dreadful. He did well in the second half when he was moved more central but I personally thought he was all over the place in the first half. Vitinho was the weak link vs City and clearly isn't a LB.

I didn't think Delcroix looked comfortable in the first half against Villa and his performance in the second half made it clear he is primarily a centre half. However, its entirely possible that once he's adapted to English football he'll be able to fill in at left back ad a second choice. I thought Kompany asked too much of him to play there against Villa when he's new to us and English football and he rectified that mistake at half time.

But regardless, a left back is essential and Maatsen would clearly be ideal. Not only is he a good player, he knows our system. I'm not sure you can argue on the one hand we've changed too much from last season (we probably have) and on the other we also need a different left back to last season.

[agreenwood]

Add Bakayoko as a cherry on top. What a team!

Was hoping we could grab a last minute CM, but it might need to be a cash deal and it sounds like we’re sailing close to FFP limits.

[LongsideClaret]

Update I’ve just got.

Tresor being worked on and looking good.
Daka from Leicester being negotiated as well (loan with option)
Apparently Maatsen still looking extremely difficult. Shame because journo news today has made this seem a lot more positive.

[Spijed]

Was hoping we could grab a last minute CM, but it might need to be a cash deal and it sounds like we’re sailing close to FFP limits.

I thought FFP is over a three year period?

[RVclaret]

Update I’ve just got.

Tresor being worked on and looking good.
Daka from Leicester being negotiated as well (loan with option)
Apparently Maatsen still looking extremely difficult. Shame because journo news today has made this seem a lot more positive.

I’d be pretty chuffed with Daka. Different option and some PL experience. Only thing is losing him, Foster and Zaroury for AFCON. Shame about Maatsen. Any other left back news?

[Vegas Claret]

Having the freedom to attack means you have to be able to protect the back four when you lose possession, we are so vulnerable at the moment, last season we kept possession as a way of defending but we aren't going to dominate many games this season.

Just about every top class side has had a player who protects them in these situations, no body better than Rodri at this moment in time.

I'd love to think we are in for an athletic midfielder who can add that steel to the middle of the park, to allow the attacking talent to thrive.

Paulihna was a game changer for Fulham, we need similar or we are going to get battered most weeks

[burnley007]

Was hoping we could grab a last minute CM, but it might need to be a cash deal and it sounds like we’re sailing close to FFP limits.

What happened to Lokonga?

I really like the look of him, looks strong, powerful and decent with the ball. I can only assume wages are an issue?

[burnley007]

Having the freedom to attack means you have to be able to protect the back four when you lose possession, we are so vulnerable at the moment, last season we kept possession as a way of defending but we aren't going to dominate many games this season.

Just about every top class side has had a player who protects them in these situations, no body better than Rodri at this moment in time.

I'd love to think we are in for an athletic midfielder who can add that steel to the middle of the park, to allow the attacking talent to thrive.

Lokonga seems the obvious solution...

[agreenwood]

Tresor not in Genk’s travelling Europa Conference League game squad tomorrow.

[RVclaret]

Nicking this off twitter:

‘If two attacking players AND Maatsen sign (or any left back) that's 34 players in the picture, without exits.

However, 9 of those (Trafford, Franchi, Egan-Riley, Al-Dakhil, Maatsen, Dodgson, Ramsey, Koleosho and Odobert) are U21, so we’d still make the 25-player limit even without any sales’

Obviously 34 is way too many but that includes the injured Obafemi/Churlinov/Egan-Riley, then others that probably need to be loaned out / sold like Dodgson, Taylor, Franchi and Bastien. But that’s still a squad of 27 which seems too big, given only 20 can make match day squads…

[BigGaz]

Say we get Tresor and Maatsen which I think would be the closing of our business, does anyone have an idea of what our starting 11 is going to be?

My head is spinning with all the wingers/inverted attackers we have now and who is going to be ‘first choice’

I keep being told we won’t get the likes of the old guard such as JBG sold as there needs to be some experience. (Which I happen to agree with)

You would imagine Benson and Zaroury are unsellable for at least one more season.

The rest of them have only just come through the effin door SURELY though, even if Churlinov goes we’re not just going to leave it like that? We can literally field a team of 11 attacking mods, it’s far too much.

I remain convinced that we only bought Obafemi in case Tella went back in January, so I think his head on the chopping block, or would have been had he not been injured?

[Firthy]

Lokonga seems the obvious solution...

No chance. He's too greedy.

[Spijed]

Nicking this off twitter:

‘If two attacking players AND Maatsen sign (or any left back) that's 34 players in the picture, without exits.

However, 9 of those (Trafford, Franchi, Egan-Riley, Al-Dakhil, Maatsen, Dodgson, Ramsey, Koleosho and Odobert) are U21, so we’d still make the 25-player limit even without any sales’

Obviously 34 is way too many but that includes the injured Obafemi/Churlinov/Egan-Riley, then others that probably need to be loaned out / sold like Dodgson, Taylor, Franchi and Bastien. But that’s still a squad of 27 which seems too big, given only 20 can make match day squads…

According to wiki Maatsen was 21 on the 10th March.