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I think that it has probably benefited for a while because of the collapse of excelsior mouscron. Easy to get to, anyway, and a ground that I've not yet been to.CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:57 pmSounds like passionate atmosphere, old fashioned stadium, small town, traditional values and punching above their weight.
Pretty sure clubs have been sending non-european players to clubs in mainland Europe on loan for years so they can meet visa requirements, or until they do, well before Brexit too.MalaysiaMo wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 2:28 amAnother example of "taking back control" .... In order to access just a fraction of what was freely available pre-Brexit (the deep pool of football talent playing in continental Europe), we'll borrow millions of £ to buy and then run a football club in Belgium that until recently few of us had ever heard of .... Brilliant.
100% against it. Should be banned.Devils_Advocate wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:00 pmAre we for or against dual ownership and the multi-club model as I get confused? Historically it seems the consensus on here was that its a bit dodgy and shouldn't be allowed but if we decided to do it and benefit from it would that mean its now kosher?
I didn't think we were talking about just "non-european players"....... So Burnley is thinking of buying a small town football club in Belgium that it can use to funnel non-european footballers to the UK? Wow. We'll be investing in small boats next.GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 7:38 amPretty sure clubs have been sending non-european players to clubs in mainland Europe on loan for years so they can meet visa requirements, or until they do, well before Brexit too.
Ah you're one of those, my bad for not spotting it earlier.MalaysiaMo wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 8:58 amI didn't think we were talking about just "non-european players"....... So Burnley is thinking of buying a small town football club in Belgium that it can use to funnel non-european footballers to the UK? Wow. We'll be investing in small boats next.
Not quite as dramatic as you made that sound .MalaysiaMo wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 8:58 amI didn't think we were talking about just "non-european players"....... So Burnley is thinking of buying a small town football club in Belgium that it can use to funnel non-european footballers to the UK? Wow. We'll be investing in small boats next.
yawnGodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 9:17 amAh you're one of those, my bad for not spotting it earlier.
I agree, it's tiring when people dump on everything the owners try to do
Whilst I agree there are several potential benefits those players you used were really poor examples. Also where is the money coming from to run an ALK owned team? Is this even more money coming out of BFC cashflow?HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:59 amSo to conclude if your against this your a mad man and in my opinion have a genuine agenda.
Maybe you have an agenda, maybe you don’t agree with the exploitative model. There are loads of things that I could see being beneficial to the club that I wouldn’t agree with, or do morals not come into this? I’m presuming all those without an agenda agree with Watford’s ownership model?HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:59 amThis model will allows us to sign foreign wunderkinds on the cheap that otherwise wouldn't have gotten work permits. Without this system we will continue to buy players when they have played 3 seasons and are worth 15 million. With it we get them when we first seem them for 1.5 million. I have three examples of this: One Bart Verbuggen, last season would have cost us about 5 million but fell through due to a failure in Work Permit. Two Jackson Muleka, A striker that we agreed a 2.5 million fee for who again fell through to work permit now would cost more due to a season in Turkey. Third Georges Mikautadze. Another Striker who is quality period who would have cost us 2 million last season now he is going to cost closer to 10 as has supposedly been bid by AC Milan (We are still interested in two of the above players). The examples above show why a feeder club that we directly control the policy, scouting and recruitment of its extremely beneficial to us and likely of them too as we will still want them to succeed. Furthermore it will save us more funds than it costs us in the long run. So to conclude if your against this your a mad man and in my opinion have a genuine agenda.
What if the players identified don't want to play for the feeder club?HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:59 amThis model will allows us to sign foreign wunderkinds on the cheap that otherwise wouldn't have gotten work permits. Without this system we will continue to buy players when they have played 3 seasons and are worth 15 million. With it we get them when we first seem them for 1.5 million. I have three examples of this: One Bart Verbuggen, last season would have cost us about 5 million but fell through due to a failure in Work Permit. Two Jackson Muleka, A striker that we agreed a 2.5 million fee for who again fell through to work permit now would cost more due to a season in Turkey. Third Georges Mikautadze. Another Striker who is quality period who would have cost us 2 million last season now he is going to cost closer to 10 as has supposedly been bid by AC Milan (We are still interested in two of the above players). The examples above show why a feeder club that we directly control the policy, scouting and recruitment of its extremely beneficial to us and likely of them too as we will still want them to succeed. Furthermore it will save us more funds than it costs us in the long run. So to conclude if your against this your a mad man and in my opinion have a genuine agenda.
Are you asking if ALK will take money directly from the Burnley's coffers and transfer it to the accounts of Kortrijk or if ALK will withhold cash that it could give to Burnley and give to Kortrijk instead?
Correct
Where is the money coming from to buy this club? and where is the money coming from to run this club day to day?GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 12:59 pmAre you asking if ALK will take money directly from the Burnley's coffers and transfer it to the accounts of Kortrijk or if ALK will withhold cash that it could give to Burnley and give to Kortrijk instead?
They're two different scenarios.
The likelihood is ALK have had this as part of their original plan when buying Burnley, they did try to buy the Italian club last season but missed out, they still may find a diff Italian club to buy to add to the collection.
The multi-club model is popular now, so it makes sense to do it if the clubs are available for the right price etc.
BFC 's regular income is paying for the day to day running of the club, that will eventually be shown in the accounts.
We don't know.
To be fair we all lost.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 10:06 pmClubs were doing it before brexit you bellend. You lost. Get over it
Pretty much.
Ahhh. You see, pre-Brexit clubs did it through choice. But now it seems it is a necessity. Not sure how that switch constitutes winning.gandhisflipflop wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 10:06 pmClubs were doing it before brexit you bellend. You lost. Get over it
I think Union Saint-Gilloise in Belgium benefits from Bloom (owner of BHA)'s money & expertise. He has a lot of both.Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:36 amI don’t know about this club. But Brightons feeder club love it, they are getting talent and quality they have never seen before and it’s made them very competitive in their respective league.
I would say Court rake. The Dutch 'ij' is 'a' as pronounced in abc..
Any club our size faces the prospect of losing it's best players at the end of a season, feeder club or not.MalaysiaMo wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:32 amHas anyone asked the supporters of KV Kortrijk how they feel about being a feeder club? Imagine the outrage if Burnley was bought to be a feeder club for one of the big clubs in Europe ..... and at the end of every season faced the prospect of losing the likes of Benson, Zaroury, Beyer etc to the consuming club ....
I would think the supporters would welcome stable ownership at this point. I wouldn't be surprised to see Kompany involved in some way either, which I'm sure they would see as a positive.MalaysiaMo wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:32 amHas anyone asked the supporters of KV Kortrijk how they feel about being a feeder club? Imagine the outrage if Burnley was bought to be a feeder club for one of the big clubs in Europe ..... and at the end of every season faced the prospect of losing the likes of Benson, Zaroury, Beyer etc to the consuming club ....
Not quite, the closest is Rye'k as in the word rye but then ending in a k. It isn't pronounced as an 'a' over here in NL by me or anyone I know
But is one of those letter combinations that throws a lot of non-native speakers off course!Isn't it similar to the Dutch as in Virgil van DIJK or Frank RIJKAARD?claretinkorea wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 10:33 amNot quite, the closest is Rye'k as in the word rye but then ending in a k. It isn't pronounced as an 'a' over here in NL by me or anyone I know
Maybe bit's an accent thing, like book and buke (as in Luke). My mum was Dutch and that's how she would have pronounced it although I agree it was not quite 'rake'.claretinkorea wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 10:33 amNot quite, the closest is Rye'k as in the word rye but then ending in a k. It isn't pronounced as an 'a' over here in NL by me or anyone I know
Perhaps that is it then, there are indeed quite a lot of regional accents over here. Which region was your mum from?
Guess its not that difficult
Thanks for the info kortrijk - let's see what happens regarding this. You never know, we might be coming for a friendly game one day.kortrijk wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:18 amMost of the Kortrijk supporters are probably excited about the Burnley idea. Not to become a "feeder club" but the alternatives are worse. Tan has done very very little for the club and he want's to sell. It's, according to the press, between the kaminski group and Burnley. It sure worked for Union Saint Gilles when they got the premier league support to get better results. We don't expect miracles, we just want owners who care for the club and don't **** with the supporters.
about the club:
passionate supporters, youngest average crowd age in the Belgian first league. biggest rivalries are with Zulte Waregem (derby, next season in lower league) and club brugge.
the local beer is indeed bockor but in the stadium the beer is jupiler (or in some places stella artois). max capacity of the stadium is about 9300, average i guess around 6000. we need a new stadium but love the old, current one.
Thanks for your comments. I will say that our owners are a lot better than Tan, who hasn’t displayed any real ability to run a football club. On the other hand our owners have reshaped our club and you should particularly be excited about the recruitment model. The Belgian link (at least for now) with Kompany is interesting too, and I wonder if he’s playing a part in pushing for this move.kortrijk wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:18 amMost of the Kortrijk supporters are probably excited about the Burnley idea. Not to become a "feeder club" but the alternatives are worse. Tan has done very very little for the club and he want's to sell. It's, according to the press, between the kaminski group and Burnley. It sure worked for Union Saint Gilles when they got the premier league support to get better results. We don't expect miracles, we just want owners who care for the club and don't **** with the supporters.
about the club:
passionate supporters, youngest average crowd age in the Belgian first league. biggest rivalries are with Zulte Waregem (derby, next season in lower league) and club brugge.
the local beer is indeed bockor but in the stadium the beer is jupiler (or in some places stella artois). max capacity of the stadium is about 9300, average i guess around 6000. we need a new stadium but love the old, current one.