I'm sure this has already been discussed.

But what will our transfer budget be this season?

Don’t think anyone knows halfmanhalfbiscuit.

My expectations would be some money spent on securing the loan signings, plus clever use of the loan/free market to further boost the squad without breaking the bank. Think we’ll be paying for having 16 players leave last summer for a few seasons yet and will need to be savvy how we strengthen.

I’m guessing at around £50m with around £5-8m in sales.

I think it will be manageable following the heavily reduced wage bill this season.

Greater than the window in which we bought Dale Stephens

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 10:49 am

I’m guessing at around £50m with around £5-8m in sales.

I think it will be manageable following the heavily reduced wage bill this season.

So you think £50m after the 15€m for Beyer?

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 10:58 am

So you think £50m after the 15€m for Beyer?

This is going to be a good thread…

halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 10:58 am

So you think £50m after the 15€m for Beyer?

In total. But I also don’t think the €15m is upfront. I think that includes lots of bonuses and even the loan fee.

I reckon the upfront fee for Beyer will be under £10m, more towards £7m.

The transfer budget must be linked to the salary budget.
So a 'Bosman' player who wants £100,000 a week will proably not be considered.
Conversely, a younger overseas player who costs £7 million and wants £30,000 a week is more likely.
We can't ignore the debts incurred during the buy-out, and betting the ranch, to quote Barry Kilby, is not going to happen.

First the club have to decide which of the other loans they want to keep, can afford to buy or will be rolled over into another season long loan.

We've already splashed big on one loan.
Tella would be similar or more money.
Maatsen probably a little less due to contract length.
THB - not sure they'll be selling, so do we commit to another loan spell for him or find someone else

Potentially we could spend £50m Inc Beyer just on the 4 aforementioned loaned players if we wanted to keep them.
If they continue to develop then we'd recoup that easily enough.

Is Cork staying?
JBG?
BPF?

57.5 million

50 - 80m depending on sales

80-100 million IMO already dropped 15 on Beyer

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.

If we want Tella, Beyer, Maatsen and THB on loan again, then 40-50 million has to be allocated just to stand still.

Even though we’ve money from our previous PL excursions, it just shows how crazy the money side of football has gotten.

We’re facing the very real prospect that unless we’re able to find north of 50 million for our transfer budget, we’re going to start our season in a far weaker position than which we finished the season.

Madness really.

You would assume we would be looking to move some fringe players on, such as Weghorst, Bastien, McNally and perhaps even Taylor to give us 20m or so wiggle room.

Twelvety

Oh, the other thing is;

If we see decent bids in for the likes of Cullen, Roberts, and our two flying wingers then steel yourself for the fact that they’ll be moved on.

This is the model and it’s how we’ll fund the next lot of wonder kids. Don’t get too attached to stress lads is my advice, you’ll end up like me with a broken heart

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BigGaz wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 12:26 pm

Oh, the other thing is;

If we see decent bids in for the likes of Cullen, Roberts, and our two flying wingers then steel yourself for the fact that they’ll be moved on.

This is the model and it’s how we’ll fund the next lot of wonder kids. Don’t get too attached to stress lads is my advice, you’ll end up like me with a broken heart

They wont get moved on this Summer I wouldnt be expecting any major outgoings till at least January but more likely next summer

nobody has any idea because nobody knows what level of investment we've had (if any), we could have a budget of 20 million or 80 million

€100.01 if they cash all the green shield stamps in.

It’s difficult to quantify and probably depends on sales and wages. It won’t be disclosed either. You could spend nothing in transfer fees and a hell of a lot on wages but end up with a better squad. A hell of lot could be spent on the parasite agent fees too.

100mil

4midable wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 1:24 pm

100mil

Cloud cuckoo land

I'd hazard a guess at £30-40m max, with us making use of the loan market too. Impossible to say really.

NickBFC wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 1:43 pm

I'd hazard a guess at £30-40m max, with us making use of the loan market too. Impossible to say really.

more than that we have literally already spent 15 on one player

HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 1:46 pm

more than that we have literally already spent 15 on one player

who's that ? we sure as **** haven't paid 15 million for Beyer

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 1:50 pm

who's that ? we sure as **** haven't paid 15 million for Beyer

we literally paid 15 million euros for Beyer that was the buy option

HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 1:56 pm

we literally paid 15 million euros for Beyer that was the buy option

Apparently quite a bit of that is bonuses and loan fee.

Similar to Gibson, everyone always calls the 15m fee but we only ever paid around 8.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 1:58 pm

Apparently quite a bit of that is bonuses and loan fee.

Similar to Gibson, everyone always calls the 15m fee but we only ever paid around 8.

"The 22-year-old joins the club for a fee believed to be in the region of £13million (€15m) and signs a four-year deal." as reported by the Athletic typically by options and release clauses constitute a full fee not addons we paid 15 million Euros for Beyer. Rumour is have also completed a deal for Maatsen which will cost 10 mil plus in its own right. We also are looking at both Bart Verbruggen and Trafford both against would cost 10-15 mil according to various sources so lets not beat around the bush. This season in all likely hood we will spend well over 50 million on transfers as that is what we need too do to stay up.

If we get Tella, THB and Maatsen back we're looking at a record window, but if we can get them and replace Barnes (Foster goes a long way towards that), Churlinov and Bastien then this squad will compete next season, mark my words. They will take time to adjust to the level, but I think this side will pull clear of the relegation scrap by winter.

15m Beyer
20m Tella
God knows what for Maatsen and THB, but these two won't command premiums because of their parent clubs' need to balance FFP, and buy-back clauses could keep them both below 10m each.

So 55m to keep what we have.

Sell Chulrinov, Bastien, McNally, but we'll probably recoup far less than 10m.

10m centre midfielder, 10-15m forward, 7m goalkeeper.

Looking probably at about 75m-80m net. Give it two years and we'll be pulling in 35m for Benson and the same for Beyer, while the rest begin hitting the peak of their careers (Tella, Al-Dakhil, THB, Foster, Zaroury, Brownhill etc), and if we're relegated first time we've got loads of sellable players, so the gamble is not massively obscene.

We have some really good foundations here.

I keep saying this… it is salaries not transfer fees that I think are the limiting factor. Buy a you £20m player and you have a £20m asset. You can always sell it if times get hard. As we have proved. You’ve not lost anything. Salaries affect the profits more directly. You can’t get them back.

HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 1:56 pm

we literally paid 15 million euros for Beyer that was the buy option

do you see your mistake ?

HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 2:02 pm

"The 22-year-old joins the club for a fee believed to be in the region of £13million (€15m) and signs a four-year deal." as reported by the Athletic typically by options and release clauses constitute a full fee not addons we paid 15 million Euros for Beyer. Rumour is have also completed a deal for Maatsen which will cost 10 mil plus in its own right. We also are looking at both Bart Verbruggen and Trafford both against would cost 10-15 mil according to various sources so lets not beat around the bush. This season in all likely hood we will spend well over 50 million on transfers as that is what we need too do to stay up.

I personally don’t take things at face value but you are more than welcome to.

Zero chance we spend 10-15m on another keeper either.

Worth stating the obvious here, if you've got a manager like Kompany you back him. There are limits to that, but we won't be seeing the Kilby/Garlick-era penny pinching, as though us being in the PL were some novel experience, some lofty position from which we'll inevitably fall, a mentality which informed our transfer dealings. I don't get the impression Pace wants his investment in this club to rely on rabbits being pulled out of hats in the fashion of what Dyche did for us under Garlick, and Pace will pay what's needed to back the manager.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 2:31 pm

Worth stating the obvious here, if you've got a manager like Kompany you back him. There are limits to that, but we won't be seeing the Kilby/Garlick-era penny pinching, as though us being in the PL were some novel experience, some lofty position from which we'll inevitably fall, a mentality which informed our transfer dealings. I don't get the impression Pace wants his investment in this club to rely on rabbits being pulled out of hats in the fashion of what Dyche did for us under Garlick, and Pace will pay what's needed to back the manager.

I don't think Kompany signs his new deal if he hasn't been promised that, it's great

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 2:35 pm

I don't think Kompany signs his new deal if he hasn't been promised that, it's great

Very much agree. Look at Newcastle, they took a dogshit Bruce-era team which looked worse than Burnley, popped about 120m on Pope, Guimaraes and Isak, and now they have CL football because they have a really good manager. Not saying for a second that this team can finish top four our that we'll spend that, but with the right backing we'll be comfortably safe. Survival naturally also appreciates our assets. These lads' values skyrocket if we survive.

Spiral wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 2:31 pm

Worth stating the obvious here, if you've got a manager like Kompany you back him. There are limits to that, but we won't be seeing the Kilby/Garlick-era penny pinching, as though us being in the PL were some novel experience, some lofty position from which we'll inevitably fall, a mentality which informed our transfer dealings. I don't get the impression Pace wants his investment in this club to rely on rabbits being pulled out of hats in the fashion of what Dyche did for us under Garlick, and Pace will pay what's needed to back the manager.

Hi Spiral, I agree, Alan Pace won't have put all his efforts into bringing Vincent Kompany in as manager if the club doesn't have the resources to support Vincent Kompany when the team has won promotion to the Premier League. We should keep in mind that transfer fees are all about managing cashflow, so it's not really all about the "headline" transfer fees, rather how these deals are structured with the timings of payment obligations.

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RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 1:58 pm

Apparently quite a bit of that is bonuses and loan fee.

Similar to Gibson, everyone always calls the 15m fee but we only ever paid around 8.

Hi RV, why do you include last season's loan fee for Jordan Beyer in the buy fee? Has there been any indication that his parent club let him go out on loan without being paid the loan fee at the time?

Paul Waine wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 2:50 pm

Hi RV, why do you include last season's loan fee for Jordan Beyer in the buy fee? Has there been any indication that his parent club let him go out on loan without being paid the loan fee at the time?

It was suggested on another thread by a poster from a decent source that this headline €15m the German side are pushing out included bonuses and loan fee. Basically a total fee for everything.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 2:51 pm

It was suggested on another thread by a poster from a decent source that this headline €15m the German side are pushing out included bonuses and loan fee. Basically a total fee for everything.

Thanks.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 2:51 pm

It was suggested on another thread by a poster from a decent source that this headline €15m the German side are pushing out included bonuses and loan fee. Basically a total fee for everything.

it's still a bargain

Isn't it usually in June when the club discloses the transfer budget for the coming season?

As we all know, no club discloses their transfer budget

But there are a load of mind readers on here who clearly know what Pace and VK are thinking

It's amazing Geoff

What a pointless thread.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 2:51 pm

It was suggested on another thread by a poster from a decent source that this headline €15m the German side are pushing out included bonuses and loan fee. Basically a total fee for everything.

Interesting considering the Germans arent the ones pushing that numbers it The Athletic Germans are saying it but they arent my source

HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 4:04 pm

Interesting considering the Germans arent the ones pushing that numbers it The Athletic Germans are saying it but they arent my source

Not a chance have we just given them 15 million up front. Even if it was that much it will only be 3 million tops out of next years budget

Some absolute plant pots on this site

Whatever Kompany wants upto 100 million. Pace won't risk being relegated again. He is a relieved man and realises a lack of investment or a reluctance to progress will see a regression. We hit the jackpot with kompany and his team and would be crazy not to back them.

roperclaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 4:42 pm

Not a chance have we just given them 15 million up front. Even if it was that much it will only be 3 million tops out of next years budget

Well there is a chance. I love how people who dont read stuff and clue themselves in are so arrogant its very funny.

HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 9:19 pm

Well there is a chance. I love how people who dont read stuff and clue themselves in are so arrogant its very funny.

You do know transfer fees are spread over the length of the contract?

roperclaret wrote: ↑

Sat May 20, 2023 9:24 pm

You do know transfer fees are spread over the length of the contract?

The amortisation of them is - the cash payment can be anything from all upfront to the more usual, paid in full by 50% - 80% of the initial contract term. Never heard of a single transfer fee that is paid across a full initial multi-year contract term, so that the final instalment is paid as the players initial contract with the club expires

As always, I am happy to receive evidence to the contrary