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A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:15 pm
by Darnhill Claret
Especially about his physical size.
In my mind he compares very favourably, physically, with Enciso at Brighton.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:25 pm
by bobinho
Or Messi, at PSG
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:33 pm
by Darnhill Claret
I'm also thinking at similar stages in their physical development. Messi is a man. Twine and Enciso still have some physical development to go.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 10:43 pm
by helmclaret
If he’s technically good enough, this talk about his physique is nonsense.
Loads of small gifted players playing in the premier league.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 11:07 pm
by FCBurnley
He has physically developed a lot in the second half of the season
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Wed May 24, 2023 11:39 pm
by Colburn_Claret
It has a lot more to it than just sheer size.
Many slight footballers are successful, but they have an inner strength, and a low centre of gravity, which makes them hard to knock off the ball.
People are just pointing out that, that inner strength is something he needs to work on. He improved greatly at the end of the season, so no doubt it is something VK has already identified.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 12:34 am
by dsr
Brian Flynn played in a much rougher era than nowadays. Size helps, but lack of it can be overcome.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 3:17 am
by Quicknick
dsr wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 12:34 am
Brian Flynn played in a much rougher era than nowadays. Size helps, but lack of it can be overcome.
As I read this thread, the name Brian Flynn came into my thoughts. You got there first.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 4:36 am
by Buxtonclaret
Billy Bremner didn't turn out too bad either.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:23 am
by Newcastleclaret93
The comparison isn’t similar.
Twine isn’t going to beat a man in the prem like Enciso. He’s not quick enough or has that trickyness in his locker.
I just honestly think he’s going to be dominated but much bigger and quicker athletes. I would be very surprised if he’s not loaned out.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 7:24 am
by jojomk1
When you look at our current squad we have quite a few smaller, lighter players
Twine, Cullen, Brownhill, Zaroury and Benson, plus Maatsen and Tella if they comes back
Can't think of many Premier League sides who play with so many of that stature
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 7:30 am
by fatboy47
When you think about it we're just a load of crap aren't we?
Might as well just write off next season and play I-spy instead.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 7:34 am
by RVclaret
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:23 am
The comparison isn’t similar.
Twine isn’t going to beat a man in the prem like Enciso. He’s not quick enough or has that trickyness in his locker.
I just honestly think he’s going to be dominated but much bigger and quicker athletes. I would be very surprised if he’s not loaned out.
You also said you would be very surprised if Benson wasn’t loaned out after a similar amount of games Twine has played. Let’s hope your Twine shout ends up like your one on Benson.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 7:49 am
by arise_sir_charge
jojomk1 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 7:24 am
When you look at our current squad we have quite a few smaller, lighter players
Twine, Cullen, Brownhill, Zaroury and Benson, plus Maatsen and Tella if they comes back
Can't think of many Premier League sides who play with so many of that stature
Cullen has spent a year controlling midfields against some absolute animals, he may not be tall but he’s plenty strong enough.
Never saw Brownhill’s stature as an issue in any previous premier league season.
Wouldn’t describe Tella or Zaroury as small either.
When you then come to the more creative players, the Premier league is full of players that are small in stature but get along just fine. The best example perhaps being Bernardo Silva who just a week ago was running rings round Real Madrid.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 8:01 am
by boatshed bill
Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 4:36 am
Billy Bremner didn't turn out too bad either.
Phil Foden (5ft 7ins) and Bernardo Silva (5'8") aren't getting bullied very much.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 8:10 am
by nil_desperandum
Buxtonclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 4:36 am
Billy Bremner didn't turn out too bad either.
He was a pretty solid, powerful unit though. Not much similar to Twine I don't think, (Bremner was 4 or 5 inches shorter), but there have been plenty of PL footballers with a similar physique to Twine.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 8:15 am
by claretspice
Somewhere in the middle on this but the starting point is its reductive to boil this down to stature. Its about strength. Plenty of small players have the strength and skill to make it an advantage. Likewise plenty of players who are plenty big enough lack a bit of core strength so get bullied a bit.
Twine isn't especially small and was strong enough to pass in the Championship. But he didn't stand out physically and given the increased physicality of the Premier League its reasonable to wonder if he might need a bit of a conditioning programme to make the grade. That's all.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 8:29 am
by jojomk1
claretspice wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 8:15 am
Somewhere in the middle on this but the starting point is its reductive to boil this down to stature. Its about strength. Plenty of small players have the strength and skill to make it an advantage. Likewise plenty of players who are plenty big enough lack a bit of core strength so get bullied a bit.
Twine isn't especially small and was strong enough to pass in the Championship. But he didn't stand out physically and given the increased physicality of the Premier League its reasonable to wonder if he might need a bit of a conditioning programme to make the grade. That's all.
Spot on - it's more about strength, skill and pace next year - whoever starts for us
And to compare him with Enciso, a current international with Paraguay, is not fair to the Scott himself - Brighton payed £11m + for him
He was likened last week on here to James Ward Prowse
He will find his level given time
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 8:43 am
by quoonbeatz
What's funny about this thread is that nobody compared Twine with Enciso as a player, yet so desperate to write our players off are the usual suspects, that they go in two footed without reading the question properly.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 8:45 am
by FeedTheArf
He probably will bulk up a little over the summer, but he will definitely be in and around the team next year.
He's our Ward-Prowse!
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 8:55 am
by Newcastleclaret93
RVclaret wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 7:34 am
You also said you would be very surprised if Benson wasn’t loaned out after a similar amount of games Twine has played. Let’s hope your Twine shout ends up like your one on Benson.
Similarly your shout about Weghorst was shocking.
It’s all about opinions. I just can’t see a guy that’s barely featured at championship level getting game time in the prem.
I don’t think it benefits him or us for Twine to be around the squad. If we think he’s got potential he needs to be playing week in week out at this point of his career
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 8:56 am
by Newcastleclaret93
FeedTheArf wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 8:45 am
He probably will bulk up a little over the summer, but he will definitely be in and around the team next year.
He's our Ward-Prowse!
Except he’s not even a remotely similar player to ward Prowse?
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:33 am
by Rammy1968
Twine is more a Paul Scholes type player finding space in and around the box and making late runs in there. If he can like people say bulk up either physically or mentally I think he has the capabilities to be a very good premiership player. The problem is we have only witnessed him against championship sides so only time will tell.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:36 am
by MancunianClaret
If VK puts him in our Prem squad, that tells you all you need to know; he'll be good enough.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:44 am
by claret2018
The similarly built David Silva was of course a total disaster in the PL
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:50 am
by aggi
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:23 am
The comparison isn’t similar.
Twine isn’t going to beat a man in the prem like Enciso. He’s not quick enough or has that trickyness in his locker.
I just honestly think he’s going to be dominated but much bigger and quicker athletes. I would be very surprised if he’s not loaned out.
Kompany's comments don't make it sound like he'll be loaned out:
“I think he’ll be disappointed that the season is nearly coming to an end. I think the jump from League One in itself to the Championship is already itself a big jump.
“He’s had to build his body up, he’s had to deal with some setbacks and injuries and the team was flying, so it wasn’t like it was easy to get back in the team, and I think he’s finishing how we want him to finish, showing that he’s improved this season.
“Obviously he knows he’s preparing for another bigger jump next year, so I think he’s in the mode where if you finish strongly, I think he’ll feel confident for next season as well to be able to get to the levels he needs to be at, but in terms of the levels of talent there’s no doubt, he’s very talented.”
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:53 am
by HistoricalClaret
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 8:55 am
Similarly your shout about Weghorst was shocking.
It’s all about opinions. I just can’t see a guy that’s barely featured at championship level getting game time in the prem.
I don’t think it benefits him or us for Twine to be around the squad. If we think he’s got potential he needs to be playing week in week out at this point of his career
Too bad for your, Kompany disagrees hes already done an interview very much implying Twine will be at Burnley next season and will be playing in the prem.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 10:18 am
by bfcmik
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 8:55 am
Similarly your shout about Weghorst was shocking.
It’s all about opinions. I just can’t see a guy that’s barely featured at championship level getting game time in the prem.
I don’t think it benefits him or us for Twine to be around the squad. If we think he’s got potential he needs to be playing week in week out at this point of his career
As Aggi posted, VK, shockingly, doesn't agree with you at all:
“He’s had to build his body up, he’s had to deal with some setbacks and injuries and the team was flying, so it wasn’t like it was easy to get back in the team, and I think he’s finishing how we want him to finish, showing that he’s improved this season.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 10:51 am
by Flixtonclaret1
MancunianClaret wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 9:36 am
If VK puts him in our Prem squad, that tells you all you need to know; he'll be good enough.
Sweet Scotty Twine ….bah bah bah
Good times never feel so good
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 11:52 am
by JellyBaby
His style of play reminds me of Maddison from the bits I’ve seen. I think he’s improved his physicality this year particularly and he has the potential to do well in the prem for us, especially with a bit more space which I think he’ll get
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 11:57 am
by AlargeClaret
So far Twine’s been compared on here to Messi , Silva ( David and Bernado), Paul Scholes ,Encisco, Billy Bremner and Phil Foden , what could possibly go wrong ? …
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 11:59 am
by CoolClaret
By the end of the season, Twine looked like he had played all year with the team.
Got zero issues with him
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 12:03 pm
by Foshiznik
If he was Brazilian and not born in Swindon, we wouldn't even be having this discussion imo.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 12:06 pm
by Middle-agedClaret
His performance against Millwall showed he’s certainly Premier League standard when it comes to shot-by-a-sniper histrionics
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/upl ... jpg?w=1240
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 12:11 pm
by ClaretsPadiham
Would be alright if we could do roll on and off subs, just to bring him on for free kicks.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 1:23 pm
by Newcastleclaret93
aggi wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 9:50 am
Kompany's comments don't make it sound like he'll be loaned out:
“I think he’ll be disappointed that the season is nearly coming to an end. I think the jump from League One in itself to the Championship is already itself a big jump.
“He’s had to build his body up, he’s had to deal with some setbacks and injuries and the team was flying, so it wasn’t like it was easy to get back in the team, and I think he’s finishing how we want him to finish, showing that he’s improved this season.
“Obviously he knows he’s preparing for another bigger jump next year, so I think he’s in the mode where if you finish strongly, I think he’ll feel confident for next season as well to be able to get to the levels he needs to be at, but in terms of the levels of talent there’s no doubt, he’s very talented.”
Time will tell but I’m not sure what to think of them comments.
At his age I just don’t see why we would want him to spend the majority of his time potentially not even on the bench. He needs minutes if we do think he’s a talented lad.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 1:36 pm
by FeedTheArf
Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 8:56 am
Except he’s not even a remotely similar player to ward Prowse?
His ability to find the top corner from 20 yards looks pretty similar to me.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 1:39 pm
by Foshiznik
FeedTheArf wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 1:36 pm
His ability to find the top corner from 20 yards looks pretty similar to me.
JWP is devastating from all set pieces, not just free kicks at goal like Twine.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:29 pm
by AfloatinClaret
HistoricalClaret wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 9:53 am
Too bad for your, Kompany disagrees hes already done an interview very much implying Twine will be at Burnley next season and will be playing in the prem.
What
; you'll give more credence to the opinon of some lanky, Jonny-come-lately Belgian-Mancunian than that of the colossus of footballing opinion that is Newcastle? I'm beginning to dispair
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:40 pm
by equinox
Bellamy said in a recent interview that Scott is the nearest thing he's seen to Gianfranco Zola, who he knows well having played with him at Newcastle.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:40 pm
by tally
Luka Modric say no more
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:49 pm
by bfcmik
Foshiznik wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 12:03 pm
If he was Brazilian and not born in Swindon, we wouldn't even be having this discussion imo.
If he was Brazilian the thread title would definitely need changing
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 6:55 pm
by FeedTheArf
equinox wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 6:40 pm
Bellamy said in a recent interview that Scott is the nearest thing he's seen to Gianfranco Zola, who he knows well having played with him at Newcastle.
I know Bellamy was at Newcastle, but Zola never was
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 7:22 pm
by dougcollins
I reckon this physical obsession with Twine has been a red herring.
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Thu May 25, 2023 9:12 pm
by SPC&G
More Haffners pies needed for Twine
Re: A lot of talk about Scott Twine.
Posted: Fri May 26, 2023 10:01 am
by ArmchairDetective
I understand the concerns around his physicality. He seemed to duck out of and make the most of some challenges this season.
But for what it's worth I'm hopeful he'll kick on somewhat after a full preseason (or two!).
