It has happened and long may the progress and development continue.

Women will be as good as, if not better than, managing the men's game.

I would genuinely welcome it at Burnley after Vincent the Victorious.

www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/br ... 126508.amp

Cherie Lunghi was the first

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:50 pm

Cherie Lunghi was the first

Ok, hands up, I had to google her

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:48 pm

It has happened and long may the progress and development continue.

Women will be as good as, if not better than, managing the men's game.

I would genuinely welcome it at Burnley after Vincent the Victorious.

www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/br ... 126508.amp

Why will they be better? Genuine question.

I’m fan of women’s football, I watch it and my daughter plays but it’s nowhere near that level yet.

Can only imagine you’re bored and fishing, knowing the board is full of old grumpy fossils

The coffee woman?

re; Cherie Lunghi

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:54 pm

Ok, hands up, I had to google her

You had to Google Cherie Lunghi ?

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:50 pm

Cherie Lunghi was the first

You find out who’s pre & post 1990 with that post

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:54 pm

Ok, hands up, I had to google her

Make sure safe search is off lest you miss the best bits.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:54 pm

Why will they be better? Genuine question

Can only imagine you’re bored and fishing, knowing the board is full of old grumpy fossils

Why will they be better? in my opinion, and I welcome a challenge, they will offer a perspective not seen before, a la Wenger et al. Initiatially sneered at due to lack of "top flight" experience they will bring a dimension not seen before.

Admittedly this may rattle a few old ones, but those that know my posts will know that absolutely isn't my intention.

The day a woman manages in the Football league/Premierleague is the day I walk away from football.

Corinne Diacre became the first woman to manage a French professional team.

She was manager of (then) 2nd Division Clermont-Ferrand for three seasons before going on to take charge of the France Women's team.

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:00 pm

The day a woman manages in the Football league/Premierleague is the day I walk away from football.

Genuine and intended as polite - why?

As a dad of 3 daughters, all into football, why should they be excluded?

50 years ago a female prime minister would have been unpalatable to some.... (political slant aside as to previous female leaders, why shouldn't it be an aspiration?)

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:00 pm

The day a woman manages in the Football league/Premierleague is the day I walk away from football.

That's the spirit

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:00 pm

The day a woman manages in the Football league/Premierleague is the day I walk away from football.

Oh good. Can't come soon enough, then.

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:04 pm

Genuine and intended as polite - why?

Genuine and intended as factual — coz he's a bellend.

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:04 pm

Genuine and intended as polite - why?

As a dad of 3 daughters, all into football, why should they be excluded?

50 years ago a female prime minister would have been unpalatable to some.... (political slant aside as to previous female leaders, why shouldn't it be an aspiration?)

It’s not a mixer gender sport.

Iv no problem with women’s football but women should manage women and men should manage men.

The world must be a terrifying place for you.

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:00 pm

Why will they be better? in my opinion, and I welcome a challenge, they will offer a perspective not seen before, a la Wenger et al. Initiatially sneered at due to lack of "top flight" experience they will bring a dimension not seen before.

Admittedly this may rattle a few old ones, but those that know my posts will know that absolutely isn't my intention.

Perhaps, I guess we will find out in the next 10 years or so.
Hopefully society has moved on and allows them to continue to grow.
It all starts at academy level though, kids need to grow up respecting female coaches.
Even at my daughters level, the majority are still male

Spiral wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:08 pm

The world must be a terrifying place for you.

I bet he never leaves his mummy's home. Proper shut-in, this one.

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:07 pm

It’s not a mixer gender sport.

Iv no problem with women’s football but women should manage women and men should manage men.

What about physios?

Sports nutritionist?

Club doctors?

Tea "ladys"?

Grounds "men"

God forbid, women stewards at the gate.......

ClaretsPadiham wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:07 pm

It’s not a mixer gender sport.

Iv no problem with women’s football but women should manage women and men should manage men.

You should limit your football discussions to "who's bigger".

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:11 pm

What about physios?

Sports nutritionist?

Club doctors?

Tea "ladys"?

Grounds "men"

God forbid, women stewards at the gate.......

Women make brilliant tea ladies

It will happen at some point in the top 4 leagues.
I remember when Emma Hayes was only considered good enough for the job at somewhere like MK Dons, yet someone like Lampard has been at Chelsea (mens) and Everton...
I think she'd do a better job than him at both clubs men's teams.

From the perspective of knowledge and ability, there’s no reason we shouldn’t see more female coaches in the future.

The biggest barrier women face is male attitudes and the starting assumption that they can’t possibly be good at it.

Like with most subjects on here, normality lies somewhere in the middle.

And that middle is between 'women will make better managers than men' and 'I will walk away from football if a woman manages a mens team'.

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:54 pm

Why will they be better? Genuine question.

I’m fan of women’s football, I watch it and my daughter plays but it’s nowhere near that level yet.

Can only imagine you’re bored and fishing, knowing the board is full of old grumpy fossils

Mods.....surely this post deserves a lifetime ban.

As long as they were the best person for the job Iam all for it.
I wouldn't be for it if it was just a box ticking exercise

wilks_bfc wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:57 pm

You find out who’s pre & post 1990 with that post

Is it that long ago?

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 7:54 pm

Why will they be better? Genuine question.

I’m fan of women’s football, I watch it and my daughter plays but it’s nowhere near that level yet.

Can only imagine you’re bored and fishing, knowing the board is full of old grumpy fossils

Old maybe but less of the grumpy please

I see Claretpadiham is getting a few pelters for daring to have an opinion on this. Diversity is great, until it comes to diversity of opinion, it seems.

I could see Emma Hayes or Sarina Wiegman being our manager after VK. Pace is just bold enough (and media savvy to see the benefits) to do it.

Find it hard to believe a woman could connect on the same level as a bloke could in the dressing room - not saying they wouldn’t make great coaches and tactical analysts but there’s an unknown quality that you get talking man to man.

Look at some of the team talks from Warnock or even more recently with Kompany. I just can’t see that coming across the same way

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:19 pm

Find it hard to believe a woman could connect on the same level as a bloke could in the dressing room - not saying they wouldn’t make great coaches and tactical analysts but there’s an unknown quality that you get talking man to man.

Look at some of the team talks from Warnock or even more recently with Kompany. I just can’t see that coming across the same way

I wonder how female bosses manage to inspire men in other industries then

I'll ask my Aunt, she has a very high powered job, maybe she'll know

groove wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:51 pm

I see Claretpadiham is getting a few pelters for daring to have an opinion on this. Diversity is great, until it comes to diversity of opinion, it seems.

They won’t see their hypocrisy

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 8:00 pm

Why will they be better? in my opinion, and I welcome a challenge, they will offer a perspective not seen before, a la Wenger et al. Initiatially sneered at due to lack of "top flight" experience they will bring a dimension not seen before.

Admittedly this may rattle a few old ones, but those that know my posts will know that absolutely isn't my intention.

Yeah but you've not given any reason at all why they will be better? Specifically, how? Why do you think that? What different perspective are they gonna bring?

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:22 pm

I wonder how female bosses manage to inspire men in other industries then

I'll ask my Aunt, she has a very high powered job, maybe she'll know

I think it’s slightly different mate.

You’re not competing against another 11 for 90 minutes, for a start.

I think it’s a little disingenuous to straw man/misappropriate what I’m saying like that.

We do have qualities unique to our sex - with some outliers of course

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:33 pm

I think it’s slightly different mate.

You’re not competing against another 11 for 90 minutes, for a start.

I think it’s a little disingenuous to straw man/misappropriate what I’m saying like that.

We do have qualities unique to our sex - with some outliers of course

You're saying women will struggle to inspire a group of men, that it's in a football environment doesn't matter tbh.

They're grown men, they'll listen to anyone if they say the right things

I'm sure Emma Hayes would be able to do it, I think she deserves a crack at a PL job too.

I’ve been coached by an ex Mexican international female and she was as good as any male coaches I’ve played under.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:22 pm

I wonder how female bosses manage to inspire men in other industries then

I'll ask my Aunt, she has a very high powered job, maybe she'll know

and as we all know, normal workplace environments and highly successful entrepeneurs fail miserably in football when trying to apply the same principles as in their own success. Sport and professional sport is another kettle of fish. Not so easy, although I'm sure it'll be done some day by some female.

I've been away for a few hours, come back and reading that there are members of the human race on here (can't be assured if they are male or female) that do not believe women can inspire, coach and manage men to the same degree as other male coaches.

Step back and apply that to any other industry /profession and you'd be laughed at.

Be embarrassed if you think that women cannot do it. Seriously.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:39 pm

You're saying women will struggle to inspire a group of men, that it's in a football environment doesn't matter tbh.

They're grown men, they'll listen to anyone if they say the right things

I'm sure Emma Hayes would be able to do it, I think she deserves a crack at a PL job too.

Well - not all of them are grown men are they and It’s not so straight forward.

Being a man/woman is a unique experience - when women have an issue at work they tend to go and speak to a woman about it because there’s relatability there.

In football and sports in general there’s a lot more than Xs & Os - there’s camaraderie as well - there’s more dynamics/intangibles that aren’t necessarily clear and obvious

Not suggesting it couldn’t work somewhere but I think it could also go horribly wrong.

I just think we have to respect that there are differences between the sexes that make us ‘better’ at various different types of roles, it’s more than just knowledge and understanding.

Awayfromburnley wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:05 pm

I've been away for a few hours, come back and reading that there are members of the human race on here (can't be assured if they are male or female) that do not believe women can inspire, coach and manage men to the same degree as other male coaches.

Step back and apply that to any other industry /profession and you'd be laughed at.

Be embarrassed if you think that women cannot do it. Seriously.

Strawman fallacy

groove wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:51 pm

I see Claretpadiham is getting a few pelters for daring to have an opinion on this. Diversity is great, until it comes to diversity of opinion, it seems.

But people aren’t allowed to have an opinion on Claretpadiham and (presumably) his views?

In many ways the argument isn’t much different than people who a few decades ago no doubt held the view that a black man couldn’t manage a team of white players.

There’s nothing in the genetic make up of a woman that would prevent them from being as successful as a man at managing a football team. Sure, they would find it more difficult to gain the respect of some players, but no doubt those players wouldn’t be part of that manager’s plans.

I bet there are a few teams who wouldn't mind hiring the England Women's manager.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 9:30 pm

Is it that long ago?

First season 1989
Second season 1990

'Hmm...now isn't that hypocritical of them', said the brain donor, as he spewed up the script he'd eaten; as the mutt was conditioned by Pavlov to drool, so was the forum user conditioned to point out a hypocrisy he merely imagines, a hypocrisy which does not in reality exist.

It's not hypocrisy if you claim not to be tolerant of bigotry. I know this might blow some people's tiny little minds, but this is actually an intellectually consistent position, because decent people don't claim unconditional tolerance to each and every opinion. The reductio ad absurdum of the straw-man being implied by ghandisflipflop and groove would be to grant an equal consideration to the views of an open anti-semite and a Jew on matters pertaining to Jewish people as a race. Would a Jew claiming tolerance towards the views of others be a hypocrite for dismissing or even pushing back the views of a person who wants his race wiped out? If you say yes, then the conversation has reached the point of absurdity and must end lest it become a greater farce. The revelation in this is that all that really matters, the only thing that can be said to be true, is personal will and the causes one takes up. Then it becomes a matter of force, to varying degrees of abstraction and reality, rhetoricity and physicality. Tolerance for the diversity of opinion is never truly held as an ideal, so there's no hypocrisy done, never, in a supposed liberal minded person pushing back on an opinion. Only the most simple minded idiots think otherwise; only simple people see a hypocrisy, because they are easily confused. But even then, they never truly care for the hypocrisy itself, just the rhetorical value of calling hypocrisy in pursuit of their own agenda. You'll notice that they never draw attention to the hypocrisies of their own, because consistence was never held as an ideal: the appeal to it only ever held a rhetorical function.

These topics are like lightning rods for people who use them as a proxy to state their biases in elaborate ways. The dynamite above that was thrown into this thread by ClaretsPadiham is clearly designed to provoke, because nobody is actually so ridiculous as to sincerely end the hobby of a lifetime should a woman become a men's football team manager, still less one they don't even support (which is a possibility implied by ClaretsPadiham), so the statement is a lie said in pursuit of a cause, even if the dunce who said it is totally unaware of his own behaviours. There's a function to the lie — the lie is not about anything to do with some weirdo's response to a woman ever managing a men's team, the lie is told in service of — to reify — its simple subtext: man goes in one box, woman goes in other box. This tidy ordering of things (of all things) has a stabilising effect for otherwise feeble people who would be neurotic without such digestible order, and many people who are terrified of the world panic whenever this neat ordering is subverted. So, that ridiculous statement about walking away from football is a confession of a man who is terrified of the idea of the world not being ordered in the way it exists in his simple mind. He's not even repining at actual change, he's preparing himself for the mere hypothetical possibility of it. The lie he told is a dress rehearsal for the real thing should it, or anything similar happen. What we see in that comment is a man's brain running an emergency drill in full view of the public, and it's incredibly embarrassing to watch.

I for one welcome our new female overlords

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:12 pm

Well - not all of them are grown men are they and It’s not so straight forward.

Being a man/woman is a unique experience - when women have an issue at work they tend to go and speak to a woman about it because there’s relatability there.

In football and sports in general there’s a lot more than Xs & Os - there’s camaraderie as well - there’s more dynamics/intangibles that aren’t necessarily clear and obvious

Not suggesting it couldn’t work somewhere but I think it could also go horribly wrong.

I just think we have to respect that there are differences between the sexes that make us ‘better’ at various different types of roles, it’s more than just knowledge and understanding.

There are loads of male coaches in the female game.

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:58 pm

There are loads of male coaches in the female game.

So what?

The two games are very, very different.

The most successful in the WSL is also… Emma Hayes!