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"With the "Wenger law", the whole body of the opposing attacker will have to completely overtake the last defender for him to be in an illegal position.
If one of the body parts is on the same line, then the attacker will not be offside!

With this new rule, FIFA wants to put an end to millimetric offsides which leads to confusion with parts of the body taken into account and others not (for example the shoulder / upper arm of the opposing attacker on the offside line).

Tests will take place in Sweden in U21, and potentially then in the Netherlands and Italy.

A measure that will benefit attackers and will probably make matches richer in goals"

Could be interesting

It still comes down to a millimetric decision, whatever bodypart you use.
Just scrap the law and open up the pitch.

Be nice if they had a look at the handball situation as well while they're at it.

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:18 pm

https://twitter.com/FootballTalkHQ/stat ... kbj2w&s=19

"With the "Wenger law", the whole body of the opposing attacker will have to completely overtake the last defender for him to be in an illegal position.
If one of the body parts is on the same line, then the attacker will not be offside!

With this new rule, FIFA wants to put an end to millimetric offsides which leads to confusion with parts of the body taken into account and others not (for example the shoulder / upper arm of the opposing attacker on the offside line).

Tests will take place in Sweden in U21, and potentially then in the Netherlands and Italy.

A measure that will benefit attackers and will probably make matches richer in goals"

Could be interesting

It will bring back the offside trap with defences rushing out en-masse. Apart from that, it should, in theory… make life easier.

Still be lines drawn across a screen. The only things that’s changing here is geography.

Literally the only offside law in sports that works is the one in ice hockey.

Maybe we just draw a big blue line in the final third of each pitch and thats the offside mark?

Honestly, no matter which body part it is, it's gonna be the same shitty mess it always has been

Hasn’t the offside law been this before? I’m sure I remember when there had to be ‘daylight’ between attacker and defender to be offside.

I’m assuming ‘phases of play’ and players not involved not interfering with play will still be a thing, so not quite back to the old rules.

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:38 pm

Still be lines drawn across a screen. The only things that’s changing here is geography.

True, but I’m happier a player is seeking to gain an advantage when there just a mm off being level than just a mm front of the defender.

If you are standing in front of the last opponent when the ball is played you are offside unless the ball strikes an opponent on the way through.
Why is it necessary to confuse the rules and why does the lino not flag immediately not have the nonsense of playing on.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:48 pm

If you are standing in front of the last opponent when the ball is played you are offside unless the ball strikes an opponent on the way through.
Why is it necessary to confuse the rules and why does the lino not flag immediately not have the nonsense of playing on.

The late flags can be ridiculous. They wait so long, when it’s obvious that a player is making an attempt for the ball, that it could risk injury.

I’m not sure that I like the idea of giving the attacker even more advantage when it comes to offsides.

If we are going to allow the attacker to be even further forward, it might well see more goals, it will also further dilute the skill of a well marshalled defence playing for offside.

It all sounds very American wanting more goals because apparently goals mean entertainment and everything else is secondary. That may suit a TV audience and the companies that market to them, but for me it’s another change that the game doesn’t need.

I like the sound of this. It won't make decisions that much clearer because at a full speed game VAR will be used for close calls, but what it will do is give a bit of an advantage to the attacker. You need offside to stop goal hanging, but every legal body part being onside of the last defender gives the defender the advantage, and I feel that's counter to what football should be about. If the defender can't cope with that, tough luck, get better at defending. If these changes will allow body parts to be 'offside' in the current sense it could make sprint duels more interesting because it takes a yard from the defender and gives it to the attacker — yards that matter when through on goal. This is a positive change in my view. Defender and attacker will both need to adjust their timing, but once the attacker is in front of them the defender usually has no hope.

I don't like making such a fundamental change, that gives more advantage to attackers. Defenders will have to play deeper as they are generally at a big disadvantage already as attackers are running in the direction they are facing so quicker.

It also doesn't take away the time it takes to check VAR which is my biggest issue with it. Just using the heads of the attacker and defender for the measuring would seem a far better way of doing the check rather than messing around trying to pinpoint a trailing leg or protruding arm.

They also need to make it easier not harder for linesmen to do their job, especially those who do not have VAR to fall back on. Is it not easier to just focus on the heads/torso of players for spotting if they are on/offside.

Woodleyclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:48 pm

If you are standing in front of the last opponent when the ball is played you are offside unless the ball strikes an opponent on the way through.
Why is it necessary to confuse the rules and why does the lino not flag immediately not have the nonsense of playing on.

The late flags are because, now that "level" is judged to a stricter margin than it is in the Olympics, it is literally impossible to judge by eye. The linesman cannot be expected to get it right. If they had kept the interpretation of the law as it always used to be, that "level" had a leeway of two or three feet, the linesman would have a sporting chance of getting it right.

What does everyone think ahead of the new season?

This will really help the quicker strikers. Foster could be a massive threat with this change.

Excuse my ignorance, what is the new rule?

I think it's a great idea. Takes the ambiguity out of the decision.

Didn't we have this a few years ago where there had to be clear daylight between the players to be offside?

I'd make it even more forgiving for attackers by making the rule such that an attacker can only be offside if there is clear day light between them and last defending player plus they'd need to be in the penalty area ( their actual 'foot' on or goal side the white line - nowt to do with shoulder, thumb, elbow, kneecap, nose).

claretburns wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:44 pm

Excuse my ignorance, what is the new rule?

“Under the altered laws, players will only be flagged offside where their entire body, with which they can play the ball, is ahead of the last defender. It's a change that would undoubtedly see a massive reduction in the number of offside calls during matches”

I'd take arms and legs out of it altogether, like they do in the Olympics. Apart from anything else, it makes it possible for the linesman to get it right (no guarantees, but judging whose chest is further forward of two running players is a lot easier than judging legs and shoulders.)

Surely it will just mean that fans will be jumping out of their seats for offside goals more regularly only for VAR to rule it out.

This rule change brings no advantage at all to quicker forwards - offside is still offside. The rule change just means that assistant referees won't be flagging as much, i.e. taking EVEN LESS responsibility than they usually do.

Jakubs Tash wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:23 pm

Surely it will just mean that fans will be jumping out of their seats for offside goals more regularly only for VAR to rule it out.

This rule change brings no advantage at all to quicker forwards - offside is still offside. The rule change just means that assistant referees won't be flagging as much, i.e. taking EVEN LESS responsibility than they usually do.

No, under these proposals the actual law would change, not just the brief given to the assistant referee.

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:07 pm

“Under the altered laws, players will only be flagged offside where their entire body, with which they can play the ball, is ahead of the last defender. It's a change that would undoubtedly see a massive reduction in the number of offside calls during matches”

But this is not for next season is it? I saw Wenger came up with this proposal and there will be trials in Netherlands and Sweden but not expected in Premier League for a few years.

None of this limb shite
Ankles offside. Nope

its all subjective, got to draw the line somewhere if its a finger under the old rules or the back of a heel under the new.

dsr wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 03, 2023 3:15 pm

I'd take arms and legs out of it altogether, like they do in the Olympics. Apart from anything else, it makes it possible for the linesman to get it right (no guarantees, but judging whose chest is further forward of two running players is a lot easier than judging legs and shoulders.)

Agree.
The eye of the lino looks at torsos.

The worst is the nose, knee, toe, heel bum offsides. Good move.

claretburns wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 03, 2023 2:44 pm

Excuse my ignorance, what is the new rule?

http://www.uptheclarets.com/messageboar ... =2&t=70486

Wengers law is much more pleasing than Lee Mason’s Law where top teams always benefited