Got my results back from My Heritage, came back at around 20% English, 70% Scottish/Irish/Welsh, 4% Finnish and then the rest is Ashkenazi Jew.

Do I have to go back to my own country? Or, stop supporting the English national team?

Genuinely surprised by these results r.e., English and also Finnish randomly thrown in there. Both my parents, and paternal/maternal grandparents are English, though I guess DNA doesn't exactly work like that.

Is there some sort of Celtic hub that I can join to embrace my new heritage?

I think some people might be afraid that they are not 100% English!

You might want to change your name to claretsandbarelyjew

Pearcey wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:05 am

I think some people might be afraid that they are not 100% English!

It would be funny to test some of the vocal racists in the uk, although I doubt they’d be able to interpret the results

I got a pack as a gift a few years ago and no real surprises. I expected French/German to show up because my Grandmother was from Guernsey. It is really interesting though especially when you start digging down into it more.

Got one for the dog. 80% Labrador and 8% chihuahua. Not sure how that happened. Last 12% scattered amongst other breeds

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am

You might want to change your name to claretsandbarelyjew

I’ve always known it’s never been a huge % - it’s from my dads side and I’m still not entirely sure where.

The Finnish stuff has blown my mind. It’s so random to me.

I did mine and it came back 78% English, 13% Scottish and the rest Swedish.

My father in law, a proud Glaswegian said “that explains why I only like you a bit”

You’ve made me want to test now, my dads side of the family are really dark and we know very little about any of his ancestors.
Unfortunately I got my mothers genes and I’m pasty

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:20 am

You’ve made me want to test now, my dads side of the family are really dark and we know very little about any of his ancestors.
Unfortunately I got my mothers genes and I’m pasty

I tested because of how dark I am. Would you think I was part Swedish?

The kit I did is fairly vague about the Celtic side. Unless you can’t discern between Welsh/Scottish/Irish too much. I wish it broke it down even further. Like am I mostly Scottish? Or Welsh? Etc.

Finnish though. Wtf.

Finding out I was more Yorkshire than Lancashire was a sad day

claretburns wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:27 am

Finding out I was more Yorkshire than Lancashire was a sad day

You're probably not...That Scouse element will've just just nicked the smaller bits of DNA

claret and Hugh might be more fitting with the amount of Welshness on your test .

Just about every living soul on the planet will have a complex mix of different ethnic groups. Every region at one time or another has been invaded, integrated, suffered disease, famine, the process repeated over and over.

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:03 am

Got my results back from My Heritage, came back at around 20% English, 70% Scottish/Irish/Welsh, 4% Finnish and then the rest is Ashkenazi Jew.

Do I have to go back to my own country? Or, stop supporting the English national team?

Genuinely surprised by these results r.e., English and also Finnish randomly thrown in there. Both my parents, and paternal/maternal grandparents are English, though I guess DNA doesn't exactly work like that.

Is there some sort of Celtic hub that I can join to embrace my new heritage?

How much did you pay to take the test?
During covid I had a stab at my family tree. I've got a fairly unique surname so could trace it back quite easily, my great, great grandparents were Welsh coal miners for generations,and, on my grandmother's side it was scousers and Irish. Otherwise, it was just English

Claret86 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:36 am

How much did you pay to take the test?
During covid I had a stab at my family tree. I've got a fairly unique surname so could trace it back quite easily, my great, great grandparents were Welsh coal miners for generations,and, on my grandmother's side it was scousers and Irish. Otherwise, it was just English

£35 for the test which I found reasonable. The results are quite vague though so I don’t know if there’s better ways to do it out there or if this is all I’ll ever know about my dna. I am surprised it hasn’t managed to narrow down the Celtic bits though.

The bears asleep, let’s just give it a poke with this pointy stick….

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am

It would be funny to test some of the vocal racists in the uk...

I have a friend who did just that, or at least his sister did and she mentioned it in a conversation which I was a party to. The chap's predominantly Italian/Maltese (which he always knew) and since retiring lives in France, but he's a 'Geezer' born and raised in east London who manages to be racist, anti-semitic, anti-EU and wildly anti-Immigrants of any stripe.

It's the tweny-odd percent 'North African/Berber' that he's... uncomfortable with; though to my mind, I'd have thought a proportion of that is likely amongst most people whose mother is Maltese (and an immigrant ) So whenever his Facebook postings get a little too much for my taste, I send him a pm threatening to post a reply to his page which references his own African heritage; to be honest, if it was me, I'd be more embarrassed about people finding out that I was a West Ham supporter..

A few years ago I took part in a study by Leicester University who were doing research into Viking heritage. It was interesting because my dad had a condition called Dupuytren's contracture, which is a thickening of the tissues in the hand and is nearly always associated with people of 'Viking' heritage. If you've ever done the Jorvik centre, its mentioned in the commentary during the ride.

Anyway, sure enough the results came back that the family orginates from either Norway or Sweden.

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:25 am

Finnish though. Wtf.

Some of the Vikings came from modern-day Finland and beyond that, Scandanavian soldiers/mercenaries found employment all over Europe and even into Asia Minor

dushanbe wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:55 am

...research into Viking heritage...

Without the need for scientific research and study: i grew up not that far from Burnley, then in my early teens moved 'over the hill' to North Yorkshhire, where my new friends were generally taller and fairer haired/skinned than my old ones and indeed myself. It was my father who explained about the effects of immigration during the dark-ages (I think those were around the time when Blackburn Rovers had a decent football team; hence the name) when the Vikings invaded/occupied most places to the east of the Pennines, but never gained the same foothold on t'other side, where the Celts held sway

I did one a few years ago with 'Ancestry dot com'' that was a Christmas gift. The results, from memory, said I was sixty odd percent Irish, twenty (ish) percent Scottish with remainder a mix of English, Scandinavian and Iberian.

First step I was advised to do was register with your local library. That membership number grants free access to the Ancestry website [or it did a couple of years ago.

I was adopted at birth, only had mother's name and I'm Jewish through matrilineal descent. No trace of mum whatsoever even via Census records. A Jewish Genealogy website advised I take a DNA test.

Several matches for 2nd cousins [shared great grandparent]. Great Grandparents were Russian Jews who scarpered to Manchester. Anyway....through the DNA test which is entered into a massive database I received several emails from distant relatives in Texas and Innsbruck.

Long story short....I have photographs of my mum and long letters written by her chronicling her travels. Fascinating.

Everybody should get their DNA done [imo]....wouldn't it be great if we all had a family tree....mine goes back to the 1850's so far....

I know a B'tards fan who's done this test ...

10% Shadsworth
15% Darwen
40% Lancashire
35% Suffolk Punch

Did a DNA via Ancestry.com and came up with no real surprises...
England & NW Europe 65%
Ireland 29%
Scotland 3%
Wales 2%
Norway 1%
Those b****y Vikings got everywhere! I find it all very interesting.

dushanbe wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:55 am

A few years ago I took part in a study by Leicester University who were doing research into Viking heritage. It was interesting because my dad had a condition called Dupuytren's contracture, which is a thickening of the tissues in the hand and is nearly always associated with people of 'Viking' heritage. If you've ever done the Jorvik centre, its mentioned in the commentary during the ride.

Anyway, sure enough the results came back that the family orginates from either Norway or Sweden.

I suffer from this, my dad has it as well and his grandad (my great grandad) had it quite bad. My grandad died when he was 39 so not sure if he had it but wouldn't suprise me

Presume my ancestors were Viking pillagers

Did mine a few years ago.

80% Great British
12% Scandinavian
8% Irish

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Did mine last year it it come back that I'm 100% full English

Lads seem to be a lot of Irish on here .
Now if any of you can play football and know how to defend i could have you playing against France in September

No.

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:25 am

The kit I did is fairly vague about the Celtic side. Unless you can’t discern between Welsh/Scottish/Irish too much. I wish it broke it down even further. Like am I mostly Scottish? Or Welsh? Etc.

Finnish though. Wtf.

Did you have a 6% circumcision?

Yep 95% Pikey 5% Scouser.

Yep 95% Pikey 5% Scouser.

Pearcey wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:05 am

I think some people might be afraid that they are not 100% English!

Not sure anyone is 'English'. So many invasions. Is there a definitive original?

There us one that defines Gaels and Picts.

IPAclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:35 am

Just about every living soul on the planet will have a complex mix of different ethnic groups. Every region at one time or another has been invaded, integrated, suffered disease, famine, the process repeated over and over.

Exactly this, go back far enough and we’re all African. Just go back a few thousand generations and everyone on the planet has the same common ancestor, from so called European ‘royalty’ to the poorest kid in an Indian slum.

With that in mind, I’m reluctant to hand over cash for someone to rather spuriously tell me I’m 23.7% Latvian or something.

I get that his isn't everybody's cup of tea, sure, but it isn't just about our origins and ancestral locations. As I said previously, I spent almost 60 years with a birth certificate that was a bit different in that it had no details of father and only the maiden name of my mother [who likely changed her surname anyway as Jews often did [or so I was told].

I also get that having a detailed family tree with names, addresses, occupations and even information on ship sailings isn't everyone's cup of tea. Nor having photos, letters, grave locations of parents and relatives you never knew but often wondered about.

I can only speak for myself here - all I had was a birth certificate and a letter from an adoption hospital in Clatterbridge offering a viewing [of me] to my adoptive parents and a small paragraph about my young, Jewish mother [who didn't, they pointed out, particularly appear Jewish]. I often wondered how all this would have affected that young girl's life, such would have been the stigma. Through the DNA test I have proof that she had a good life, was well-travelled and had a happy marriage and children of her own. And honestly, I can't tell you how much it's put my mind at ease.

Cirrus_Minor wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:13 am

I did one a few years ago with 'Ancestry dot com'' that was a Christmas gift. The results, from memory, said I was sixty odd percent Irish, twenty (ish) percent Scottish with remainder a mix of English, Scandinavian and Iberian.

Quite interesting - I’m from North Yorks and married a beautiful girl from Rochdale, so spent a lot of time there during our early relationship. It always amazed me, whenever we went out that I was taller than most at 6’. Over here I was always one of the shorter of my school and Uni friends.

ENGLISH...82%
SCANDINAVIAN..16.2%
ASHKENAZI JEW...1.8%


Almost a pure bred
English = lancs Yorkshire and Isle of wight
Surname Hartley

94% British, Irish, NW Europe etc, 6% Neanderthal

Did a FTDNA test after finding my Cornish ancestry. The Cornish varients of my surname was a minefield and others encouraged me to to do one. Joined the Gilbert and Cornish projects on FamilyTree which is fascinating. Discovered I'm I1-M253 which is not your normal 'Celtic' dna found amongst other Cornish Jelberts/Jelbarts/Jelbards/Gilberts. I'm of Viking/Norman blood, which makes perfect sense for the Kernow/Breton/Norman link. If anyone else happens to be I1... go to Mr I1 on YouTube, it's an education.

All the above show that the results are garbage.

I mean every test should show our African heritage.

Remember Lucy!

Save your money mate.

IanMcL wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:02 am

Not sure anyone is 'English'. So many invasions. Is there a definitive original?

It's quite specific, reading between the lines. The Angles (and Saxons) came in after the Romans left, so about 500-600 AD. Neither the English name nor the Englisg people existed before then; the residents were Britons. So that's the starting point. The Vikings came from about 800 AD, but they have their own category so "English" must have been defined by then. I suggest the later part of that period, otherwise the various tribes of Britons (pushed out to be Welsh and Cornish) wouldn't have had time to get clear. So let's say 700 AD is when "English" was defined for this purpose.

English is probably the most mongrel of European races, so it is all a bit bogus, really. As I suspect you're implying.

claretburns wrote: ↑

Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:27 am

Finding out I was more Yorkshire than Lancashire was a sad day

Don't forget these are showing you modern day areas - Manchester and Liverpool were historically Lancashire, so you're almost certainly more Lancs than an anaemic-roser

International class wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 09, 2023 8:31 pm

All the above show that the results are garbage.

I mean every test should show our African heritage.

Remember Lucy!

Save your money mate.

Glad you've looked into how the tests work before forming an opinion.

paderbornclaret wrote: ↑

Sun Jul 09, 2023 2:56 pm

Did a FTDNA test after finding my Cornish ancestry. The Cornish varients of my surname was a minefield and others encouraged me to to do one. Joined the Gilbert and Cornish projects on FamilyTree which is fascinating. Discovered I'm I1-M253 which is not your normal 'Celtic' dna found amongst other Cornish Jelberts/Jelbarts/Jelbards/Gilberts. I'm of Viking/Norman blood, which makes perfect sense for the Kernow/Breton/Norman link. If anyone else happens to be I1... go to Mr I1 on YouTube, it's an education.

I'm a Gildert, and it's incredible how many times I get my name 'corrected' to Gilbert.

ChrisG wrote: ↑

Mon Jul 10, 2023 8:50 am

I'm a Gildert, and it's incredible how many times I get my name 'corrected' to Gilbert.

My great grandfather was born a Jelbert in St Just, but on arriving in Burnley with his brothers, they all appear as Gilbert in the censuses thereafter. In Cornwall our surname changes literally with each census/marriage/birth cert. The Cornish J is changed to the strong Anglo Saxon G.

Is anyone else concerned at the large amount of BIG data they are collecting on us all for the DNA database?