• Square pegs in round holes

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:06 pm**

Dakhil is not a RB
Roberts is not a LB
A central midfield of two is too weak
Plan A isn't working Vincent - use the international break to come up with a system that best suits the players we have
4-5-1 maybe

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:09 pm**

Best way to describe it. The full back experiments needs to end after 1 game. And I have no idea why we moved to a 5-2-3 after half time.

Still hopefully though. We were bobbins at the start of last season and showed we were quick learners

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:25 pm**

We needed to fill the midfield and instead filled the defense. Hopefully Vincent learns.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:26 pm**

pauliopaulio wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:09 pm
Best way to describe it. The full back experiments needs to end after 1 game. And I have no idea why we moved to a 5-2-3 after half time.

Still hopefully though. We were bobbins at the start of last season and showed we were quick learners

Can’t understand playing Roberts left back by the time he’s controlled it ,he’s being closed down because he’s having to check back.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:27 pm**

The thread title hits the nail on the head.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:29 pm**

playing 2 out of position rather than 1, leave roberts at right back and dakil at left back, at least we have 1 in the right position

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:31 pm**

Get Taylor back as left back. I’m not sure what he’s done wrong or Vincent just doesn’t fancy him? Roberts right back.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:38 pm**

That was especially
Poor in the second half . When Bronwhill emerged I thought VK had seen that we needed extra in the middle of the park. Unfortunately Berge went off along with JBG , very strange. Hopefully the international break sees the system/systems drummed in to those who don’t go away with their nations. Yes it was spurs but we gifted it to them

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:45 pm**

Surely noone can disagree with everything said in first 5 posts on here.

To be frank, I am very concerned tonight about our naivity and that of our manager.

Not to man mark Madison with Brownhill was suicide.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:47 pm**

It was pretty obvious that we needed to retain as much of team as much as possible (get them in early with bids) and then supplement full back and midfield.

It’s going to be a long season if we continue to be so naive.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:48 pm**

Perhaps the worst defeat I've seen for a long time. The 20 mins. or so either side of half time were appalling. They looked like they would score every time they attacked. Our passing was poor and ball retention even worse. 2-5 and a proper mauling.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:48 pm**

Taylor doesn’t fit with the style and system he wants to play.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:49 pm**

the gaps are HUGE, there wont be a team that wont pick us off in this league. Considering VK was a defender I'm struggling to comprehend the lack of organisation

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:51 pm**

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:49 pm
the gaps are HUGE, there wont be a team that wont pick us off in this league. Considering VK was a defender I'm struggling to comprehend the lack of organisation

Too much change too quickly. 100% guarantee the team that finished last season don’t do as badly as that mess we’ve seen in the last 3 games.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:51 pm**

I reckon we are signing players to sell on so our investors get their money back at the worst (for them).

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:52 pm**

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:48 pm
Taylor doesn’t fit with the style and system he wants to play.

Then we need a different style or system so we don’t get mauled every week

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:53 pm**

Down_Rover wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:52 pm
Then we need a different style or system so we don’t get mauled every week

Get back to the system we used last year, but unfortunately we didn’t sign a left back.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:55 pm**

bfcjg wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:51 pm
I reckon we are signing players to sell on so our investors get their money back at the worst (for them).

This. We are nothing more than a glorified shop window.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:55 pm**

I've been shocked at how poor we've been. How unfit do we look?! Yes we've played some good teams, some excellent teams. But what we've done to impact the matches has been way below what I was expecting and what's needed. We've been weak, slow, soft, disorganised and ill-disciplined. Other than that, up the Clarets.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:57 pm**

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:53 pm
Get back to the system we used last year, but unfortunately we didn’t sign a left back.

The system last Season relied heavily on us having most of the possession. We defended simply by not allowing the opposition to have the ball.

That won't work as well this season, likely even against mid table sides.

We need to find a new way of playing

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:58 pm**

claretandy wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:55 pm
This. We are nothing more than a glorified shop window.

It hasn’t taken long for the vultures have started licking their chops has it?!

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:00 pm**

I'm afraid VK has some blind spots in his thinking. We have one right back who for some reason is playing left back. We have one left back, who for some reason can't even get in the squad. All this talk about Taylor not fitting the system is nonsense. We are unable to impose our 'system' on the opposition as we are being constantly pushed back. Brownhill needs to start to give some energy in the midfield. Taylor is a far better left back than any of our right footers playing at left back. We need to stop experimenting and get back to basics before confidence is seriously damaged.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:01 pm**

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:57 pm
The system last Season relied heavily on us having most of the possession. We defended simply by not allowing the opposition to have the ball.

That won't work as well this season, likely even against mid table sides.

We need to find a new way of playing

We set up with 3 in midfield. We’ve set up more gung ho this season. Very naive.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:02 pm**

I'm sorry but there is absolutely no way that Taylor is not better suited to playing this system than Roberts is at left back. He's also far more comfortable wide than Al-Dhakil has looked when played at right fullback.
Both Roberts and Al-Dhakil are overall better technical players but their deficiencies out of position are more marked than Taylor's are in his natural position (both on and out of posession) and we know Taylor is very solid defensively.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:03 pm**

Terrible performance getting worse with each game, Trafford isn't good enough he's not even close to good enough waste of our budget.
Squad is unbalanced, no team in the league survives with the full back we employed today. O'Shea and Delcroix don't look good enough.
Forget any attacking signing we made we are going down with the keeper and defence we have if we persist in playing so open.
I could manage a team to beat us at the moment.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:03 pm**

it's all just bizarre, Cullen no longer drops in the back and collects the ball, it's like we've completely abandoned what we did last season

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:04 pm**

We have a rookie manager at PL Level who is learning to adapt on the job along with many of the players. Frank Lampard played at the highest level for many years but adapting to managing in the PL seemed beyond his abilities.
We will probably see many more days like today given the players VK has built his squad around. Let’s hope we are not cut adrift before Christmas arrives.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:05 pm**

Sykoclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:00 pm
I'm afraid VK has some blind spots in his thinking. We have one right back who for some reason is playing left back. We have one left back, who for some reason can't even get in the squad. All this talk about Taylor not fitting the system is nonsense. We are unable to impose our 'system' on the opposition as we are being constantly pushed back. Brownhill needs to start to give some energy in the midfield. Taylor is a far better left back than any of our right footers playing at left back. We need to stop experimenting and get back to basics before confidence is seriously damaged.

Exactly

Muric
Roberts, Dakhil, Beyer, Taylor
Anyone, Brownhill, Cullen, Berge, Koleosho
Foster

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:06 pm**

I didn’t think Robert’s was bad considering he was on the wrong side, thought he was alright.
Felt for Al Dakhil though, he had a nightmare

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:07 pm**

Certainly Vinny looks out of his depth so far but he is equivalent to a 20 year old player so needs time.

The tinkering looks very naive. The players heads must be spinning. Taylor, Cork, Brownhill and Jay would improve us but they are proven PL players so no surprise.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:08 pm**

claretandy wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:55 pm
This. We are nothing more than a glorified shop window.

Surely the thing wrong with your conspiracy theory is that potential buyers are hardly going to be forming a queue if they look in the shop window and see the contents losing games every week.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:09 pm**

Absolutely nothing to do with Trafford.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:11 pm**

The press from the centre backs and full backs high up the pitch isn’t working. They get rolled very often and then the pitch is wide open. The defensive side has been a shambles thus far. I’m sure VK sees it. I’m hope he isn’t too proud or stubborn the sort it

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:11 pm**

bumba wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:03 pm
Terrible performance getting worse with each game, Trafford isn't good enough he's not even close to good enough waste of our budget.
Squad is unbalanced, no team in the league survives with the full back we employed today. O'Shea and Delcroix don't look good enough.
Forget any attacking signing we made we are going down with the keeper and defence we have if we persist in playing so open.
I could manage a team to beat us at the moment.

Have a drink, mate, it might give you a bit of perspective.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:16 pm**

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:58 pm
It hasn’t taken long for the vultures have started licking their chops has it?!

Did you watch that today ?

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:18 pm**

Uwe Noble wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:11 pm
Have a drink, mate, it might give you a bit of perspective.

Why don't you give me some perspective?
A lot of people clearly aren't seeing what your seeing

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:19 pm**

Hung Al Dakhil out to dry today. No doubt he is going to get battered in the ratings but he is not a full back. We made matters worse by playing Roberts out of position. Play Taylor. Play Browny. Maybe even play Cork. Just get some experience in there to lead the way.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:19 pm**

Winstonswhite wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:58 pm
It hasn’t taken long for the vultures have started licking their chops has it?!

Hardly. Just passing comments on a shambolic display. Don't know how good Spurs are but I hope they are top 3 or 4 otherwise it doesn't look good.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:20 pm**

At least we don’t need to worry about VK being poached by a top half club anytime soon.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:22 pm**

So Taylor doesn’t play because he doesn’t fit Kompanys way of playing, but sticking Roberts there and Al-Dakhil makes us better? It’s a complete nonsense that the only LB we have can’t even make the bench.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:27 pm**

Silkyskills1 wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:19 pm
Hardly. Just passing comments on a shambolic display. Don't know how good Spurs are but I hope they are top 3 or 4 otherwise it doesn't look good.

Quite a few teams we play will be looking “top 3 or 4” until VK finds the missing formula.

VK was wrong about one thing. He said his team would never be as poor as they were on the opening day against Manchester City. Aston Villa and Tottenham have disproved that theory.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:44 pm**

With brownhill berge and Cullen in the midfield you will be able to put benson on the right as you will have greater protection. You could even put an argument for a midfield three of Brownhill, Johan and Cullen. Taylor is our best fullback one on one. And when we get broken on it’s exactly what we need

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:45 pm**

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:48 pm
Taylor doesn’t fit with the style and system he wants to play.

Agreed, but so far the system doesn’t work and the style is “get battered and concede loads of goals”. VK putting out that defence because he can’t swallow some pride contributed to that hammering today.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:05 pm**

At the moment we are making exactly the same mistakes that Norwich did and Fulham did under Scott Parker.

Unless we change the outcome will be the same.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:07 pm**

kentonclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:20 pm
At least we don’t need to worry about VK being poached by a top half club anytime soon.

I think the Idea that one day he'll manage Man City is looking less likely with each match.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:08 pm**

Spijed wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:05 pm
At the moment we are making exactly the same mistakes that Norwich did and Fulham did under Scott Parker.

Unless we change the outcome will be the same.

Bournemouth got beat 9-0 in their first couple of games last season. Stayed up.

Forest lost 6-0 and 5-0 in their first 5 games last season. Stayed up.

I don’t think it’s a useful comparison at this stage.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:11 pm**

RVclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:08 pm
Bournemouth got beat 9-0 in their first couple of games last season. Stayed up.

Forest lost 6-0 and 5-0 in their first 5 games last season. Stayed up.

I don’t think it’s a useful comparison at this stage.

Worth a consideration at least I would say.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:14 pm**

Sykoclaret wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 6:00 pm
I'm afraid VK has some blind spots in his thinking. We have one right back who for some reason is playing left back. We have one left back, who for some reason can't even get in the squad. All this talk about Taylor not fitting the system is nonsense. We are unable to impose our 'system' on the opposition as we are being constantly pushed back. Brownhill needs to start to give some energy in the midfield. Taylor is a far better left back than any of our right footers playing at left back. We need to stop experimenting and get back to basics before confidence is seriously damaged.

Spot on.Whatever the system is,it’s not working. Back to basics.

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:54 pm**

Cabbage wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:31 pm
ying 2 out of position rather than 1, leave roberts at right back and dakil at left back, at least we have 1 in the right position.

Or play Charlie there. I get the idea that he slows down possession due to his lesser passing skillet but he'd be no worse there than Roberts and then it frees Co nor to play his more favoured side.

Oops - quoted the wrong post rectified!!

Posted: **Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:03 pm**

Granny WeatherWax wrote: ↑
Sat Sep 02, 2023 5:48 pm
Taylor doesn’t fit with the style and system he wants to play.

The style at the minute is our defence getting ripped to shreds every game, so I’d hope VK would be open to adapting the much fabled ‘style’.

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