He was a defender, wasn't he?

leader of men, let him lead

He'll know. He will learn and grow from this, of that I have absolutely no doubt.

So was Dyche and we let in 5 against Spurs when he was our manager too.

burnleymik wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:08 pm

He'll know. He will learn and grow from this, of that I have absolutely no doubt.

This.

Spot on.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:06 pm

leader of men, let him lead

He was,so why haven’t we got one in our ranks?

All part of the process.

This is a 3-4+ year journey under VK , and we’re already waaaaaay ahead of schedule.

Got it wrong today but there’s plenty of credit in the bank, no way I’m going to get on his back, he barely put a foot wrong last season.
He will turn it around, I’m sure

Robbie_painter wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:10 pm

He was,so why haven’t we got one in our ranks?

we do have them, they both came on today

Burnley1989 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:10 pm

Got it wrong today but there’s plenty of credit in the bank, no way I’m going to get on his back, he barely put a foot wrong last season.
He will turn it around, I’m sure

even if we get relegated I know we would come back stronger - same happened under Dyche. He's learning as he goes and whilst I'm questioning his decisions to abandon the experienced players I'm 100% content to watch and support the journey

VK has got Tressor Zaroury. Benny Jay to add to the team
Unlucky for Lyle good goal and nearly got a second
Chance missed by Zeki and we could have been 3 up
Poor marking gifted 3 goals and this VK will correct

People were questioning him this time last year as he took some time to get us sorted.

Unfortunately we aren't playing the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff & Stoke this year, who we could take points against while we were learning.

I don't like seeing us get tonked but I have faith that Vinny will see us right.

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:25 pm

People were questioning him this time last year as he took some time to get us sorted.

Unfortunately we aren't playing the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff & Stoke this year, who we could take points against while we were learning.

I don't like seeing us get tonked but I have faith that Vinny will see us right.

Agree. Only point I’d make is that these kind of heavy beatings mean we have to deliver the goods against the teams we’d expect to be more competitive against.

He will turn it around.

The full back positions are a worry for me, unless he sticks with 3 at the back and finds two players in the squad who can play wing back.

Couple of weeks now to get his thinking straight and have a good look at the squad.

Kompany has to learn fast

helmclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:29 pm

He will turn it around.

The full back positions are a worry for me, unless he sticks with 3 at the back and finds two players in the squad who can play wing back.

Couple of weeks now to get his thinking straight and have a good look at the squad.

Could JGB do a job at left back? Like Ashley Young converted?

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:29 pm

Kompany has to learn fast

The VK interviews I’ve seen after the game have been spot on.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:34 pm

The VK interviews I’ve seen after the game have been spot on.

Thought the same. He is right in saying our chance creation has been decent and he reckons the defensive side is easier to sort. Let’s hope he’s right!

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:34 pm

The VK interviews I’ve seen after the game have been spot on.

Did he say why he played Roberts at left back or why the team captain was on the bench ?

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:34 pm

The VK interviews I’ve seen after the game have been spot on.

they always are

If VK is our manager for 10 years, we win an FA Cup, play european football we can still get beat 5-1 at home.

Its all part of football.

There are worring signs but we need to breathe.

roperclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:33 pm

Could JGB do a job at left back? Like Ashley Young converted?

Jbg isn't a left back, just like Connor Roberts isn't, vitinho isn't, Al dakhill isn't, delcroix isn't. We have a left back right under he's nose, why not use him.

Casper2 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:40 pm

Did he say why he played Roberts at left back or why the team captain was on the bench ?

You do realise that with tactics, you don’t always get it right. The idea is to get it right more often than not.

The great Sir Alex always regretted not man marking Messi with Ji-Sung Park in the CL final at Wembley.

Benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing.

alwaysaclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:41 pm

Jbg isn't a left back, just like Connor Roberts isn't, vitinho isn't, Al dakhill isn't, delcroix isn't. We have a left back right under he's nose, why not use him.

Can’t disagree if you look at my post in the play our best 11 thread. But Ashley Young wasn’t a left back and has been performing as one at the highest level for the last 7 or 8 years

Spent all last season getting the right balance / system

Yet this season that’s all out the window new balance / system to say we started pre season early

Problem being you don’t get time in this league, it may get better it may be abysmal all we can hope is that he stays and commits whichever way it goes

We spend over 100 million and have to play a right back at left back is ridiculous, son scored a hat trick today who was marking him? It’s between three if a individual was marking him then we can identify the issues

Benson can’t get a game not to mention zaroury back from suspension and oderbert signs for 12million is behind another 6 wingers no wonder tella didn’t want to come back

And he will want to accommodate tressor?, Ramsey

Bastien, churlinov and obafemi (yes he’s injured but won’t start before jayrod) wages what are they up to, could put Taylor in this category cause by the looks of it he is not in the plans unfortunately not his fault

Berge getting stick for not being able to play left wing and cullen player of the season last year isn’t playing the role that made him the player of the season

Not being doom and gloom but things have to be sorted koleosho can go past players no problem so brining on Larsen/benson/oderbert/zaroury/ tresor/ redmond doesn’t change the game it’s just personal if they are getting brought on to play more central and change of formation maybe

We have 4 good stock gks

Yes the future ‘with Vinny’ is bright and I think with pace is bright but a lot of money has been spent and we need to have a identity asap

No Academy players breaking into the first team with the volume of players we have but dodgeson goes out on loan and we play roberts at right back and have Taylor nowhere near the team

Just a opinion on what I’ve seen not negative we have played city, villa and spurs we might have tanked Luton still the same situation

UTC

Little old burnley are now way above championship level but will take time under kompany to match the big boys, we need to have faith !
I am still going for a 16th finish but with the way we now play we are going to get some thrashing along the way.
Another one here for Taylor at left back

VK looked a bit shell-shocked in his post match interview tonight on Sky, I think he may have a look inward and perhaps tweak his philosophy.

Some assumption I know but he was nowhere near as positive today as any previous interview.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:34 pm

The VK interviews I’ve seen after the game have been spot on.

Yes he can certainly talk the talk

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:36 pm

Thought the same. He is right in saying our chance creation has been decent and he reckons the defensive side is easier to sort. Let’s hope he’s right!

Doesn’t matter how many chances your Create you don’t score them and you concede 5 at the other end

He’ll absolutely turn it around.

It’s been a really tough start for him though.

aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:46 pm

VK looked a bit shell-shocked in his post match interview tonight on Sky, I think he may have a look inward and perhaps tweak his philosophy.

Some assumption I know but he was nowhere near as positive today as any previous interview.

Yup

Winners look at themselves when the lose, they never look for excuses or blame others, always what they need to do so that it doesn’t happen again.

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:08 pm

So was Dyche and we let in 5 against Spurs when he was our manager too.

Not after spending £100 million on players and not sure we conceded 5 at home under Dyche or 11 in three consecutive home games
Our present defence and MF are similar to 2009-10 and the Howe era
Folk can criticise Dyche but as soon as he arrived he tightened up our defence and had he had £50 million to spend in his last two seasons we would not have been relegated
We have the players to play pass ball from the back in the Championship but not in this league

aclaretinstevenage wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:46 pm

VK looked a bit shell-shocked in his post match interview tonight on Sky, I think he may have a look inward and perhaps tweak his philosophy.

Some assumption I know but he was nowhere near as positive today as any previous interview.

I always thought dyche was really stubborn with his player selection/formation and I really hope that’s not the case with Vinny.

He has a brilliant philosophy, style, etc but it needs to be married with some pragmatism. Starting with Charlie at LB, Brownhill in with Berge / Cullen & Muric in nets.

A few tweaks and we’ll be rocking, I think.

ClaretAndJew wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:08 pm

So was Dyche and we let in 5 against Spurs when he was our manager too.

Then we beat them.

We need to support Kompany and the team but he was absolutely wrong to make so many changes to last seasons team imo.

Three games in now and we have 0 points with a minus 8 goal difference. That isn’t good no matter what way you look at it.

Stayingup wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:59 pm

Then we beat them.

We only conceded 5 at home from memory in 7 seasons in this league 1-5 against Everton

Robbie_painter wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:10 pm

He was,so why haven’t we got one in our ranks?

We looked like a team of lost little boys for a spell in the second half today. I'm a bit worried a lot of our squad these days aren't the type who'll fancy a relegation scrap.

mdd2 wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:23 pm

We only conceded 5 at home from memory in 7 seasons in this league 1-5 against Everton

Yes I know. Then we beat them. And anyway so what?

Unfortunately VK can’t turn our average 10 stone weaklings into 13 stone muscle men,it was like Arne v Danny Devito.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:03 pm

We need to support Kompany and the team but he was absolutely wrong to make so many changes to last seasons team imo.

Three games in now and we have 0 points with a minus 8 goal difference. That isn’t good no matter what way you look at it.

It isn’t good but I’d argue if you note we’ve played the current top 2 and the 2nd most inform team in the league across the last 9 months there’s some context/perspective.

For example if we had Sheffield’s or Everton’s opening fixtures I’m extremely confident we’d have a win / some points on board and these comments might not be made.

jrgbfc wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:24 pm

We looked like a team of lost little boys for a spell in the second half today. I'm a bit worried a lot of our squad these days aren't the type who'll fancy a relegation scrap.

Can you even quantify these metrics in ‘analytics’ ?

There’s more to team building than just data, that’s for sure.

RVclaret wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 8:53 pm

It isn’t good but I’d argue if you note we’ve played the current top 2 and the 2nd most inform team in the league across the last 9 months there’s some context/perspective.

For example if we had Sheffield’s or Everton’s opening fixtures I’m extremely confident we’d have a win / some points on board and these comments might not be made.

Maybe mate - it’s just how soft we are.

I think with some of the sort of regular faces we’d have least not been beaten in this manner which would have sort of kept some of the ‘feel good factor’.

All of a sudden it seems to me at least that the fans/team/etc are now (not to use a Dycheism) but ‘out of alignment’ and that’s the worrying part.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:44 pm

You do realise that with tactics, you don’t always get it right. The idea is to get it right more often than not.

The great Sir Alex always regretted not man marking Messi with Ji-Sung Park in the CL final at Wembley.

Benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Hindsight

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:25 pm

People were questioning him this time last year as he took some time to get us sorted.

Unfortunately we aren't playing the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff & Stoke this year, who we could take points against while we were learning.

I don't like seeing us get tonked but I have faith that Vinny will see us right.

I get it last year, he'd only been at Burnley for a few months. Just a shame 1 year later and Vinny is trying to figure it out all over again.
I guess that's the problem that comes with loaning alot of players?

I always remember Brendan Rodger's Swansea came up playing some really nice stuff (similar to us last year) and they were able to carry it on the following year, out playing many PL teams. But they kept the same core of players that helped them the previous season (along with strengthening)

I'm not so worried by the results, as we have played some top teams already (while beating Forest away in the Cup) I'm more concerned with the mid-game tweaking/testing. Moving to 5 at the back at half time was a bad call, but he was clearly trying to seal up that defense (which Spurs ripped apart at will)

I'm waiting to see how we do against some of the lower PL teams, hopefully it will all come good.. UTC!

TheFamilyCat wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:25 pm

People were questioning him this time last year as he took some time to get us sorted.

Unfortunately we aren't playing the likes of Blackpool, Cardiff & Stoke this year, who we could take points against while we were learning.

I don't like seeing us get tonked but I have faith that Vinny will see us right.

I didn’t need us to be playing Blackpool, Cardiff or Stoke to know playing our best RB at LB would likely lead to defensive problems but for some reason VK thought it not just a good idea, but thought it a good idea to persevere with even when it was obvious it had failed.

Experiment by all means….when it’s the right time and place. Today was NOT it. Wtf were we supposed to learn from that?

He has credit in the bank, but that will run out VERY quickly by making decisions like that today.

TsarBomba wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 7:44 pm

You do realise that with tactics, you don’t always get it right. The idea is to get it right more often than not.

The great Sir Alex always regretted not man marking Messi with Ji-Sung Park in the CL final at Wembley.

Benefit of hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Fergie wouldn’t of had Evra sat at home with Wes brown playing left back and Johnny evans at right back

After the City he said that would be our worst performance as we would improve. Wonder if he still stands by that ?

bobinho wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:17 pm

I didn’t need us to be playing Blackpool, Cardiff or Stoke to know playing our best RB at LB would likely lead to defensive problems but for some reason VK thought it not just a good idea, but thought it a good idea to persevere with even when it was obvious it had failed.

This. Extremely good point.
We are in a relegation battle, make no mistake.

Realistically we were always going to be in a relegation fight. A few fans thought we might be like a shadow Man City and pushing into the top 10.. that was never going to happen. I'd have taken a 17th place finish before the season started, and I still would do now.

Wembley09 wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 03, 2023 12:37 am

Realistically we were always going to be in a relegation fight. A few fans thought we might be like a shadow Man City and pushing into the top 10.. that was never going to happen. I'd have taken a 17th place finish before the season started, and I still would do now.

A few fans? Certainly a large majority of posters on here assumed we wouldn't need to worry this season and we'd get a top half finish!!