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Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:00 pm
by ClaretTony
A Leeds fan got into the technical area last season and pushed Eddie Howe in his shoulder during their home game against Newcastle. Leeds have already banned him for life and he’s now been sent down for 12 weeks.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:07 pm
by GodIsADeeJay81
Good
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:52 pm
by 4midable
Jails a bit OTT
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:57 pm
by AfloatinClaret
4midable wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:52 pm
Jails a bit OTT
Good point, given he's a Leeds supporter there are probably mental health issues that might be better addressed in some other form of secure unit.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:18 pm
by Aclaret
4midable wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:52 pm
Jails a bit OTT
Perhaps, maybe a public Flogging in Newcastle City Centre may have been better.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:19 pm
by Tricky Trevor
4midable wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:52 pm
Jails a bit OTT
Not at all. An example to the morons that you can’t attack a man for doing his job.
Next one should get 6 months.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:22 pm
by tarkys_ears
Well then they should apply the sentencing to all assaults on workers - but they don't.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:29 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
Does or should this now set a precedent if assault but too light to cause injury happens at a lower level, such as non league? What happens if it is at a fans event and follows an argument?
Seems to me to be a bit of a thin end of a wedge, the law shouldn’t be a deterrent, the ban does that, the law is the law and has to hand out justice. Not sure a 3 month sentence is proportionate on this case (though I haven’t read everything about it).
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:35 pm
by Claretnick
CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:29 pm
Does or should this now set a precedent if assault but too light to cause injury happens at a lower level, such as non league? What happens if it is at a fans event and follows an argument?
Seems to me to be a bit of a thin end of a wedge, the law shouldn’t be a deterrent, the ban does that, the law is the law and has to hand out justice. Not sure a 3 month sentence is proportionate on this case (though I haven’t read everything about it).
The comments of the judge are in this short BBC news report
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-66751939
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:41 pm
by CrosspoolClarets
Thanks.
So it seems the high profile nature of the game was key with many millions watching, i.e. the judge is using it as a deterrent which is what I suspected.
Reinforces in my mind that this prat may well deserve what he gets but I’m not sure it is wise nonetheless.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:43 pm
by beddie
4midable wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:52 pm
Jails a bit OTT
Too lenient as far as I’m concerned. Very little respect shown by many towards other human beings. That’s what we’re short of in this country, proper deterrents in every aspect of daily life.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:04 pm
by ClaretTony
beddie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:43 pm
Too lenient as far as I’m concerned. Very little respect shown by many towards other human beings. That’s what we’re short of in this country, proper deterrents in every aspect of daily life.
Managers, players are vulnerable when someone gets on the pitch. Look at the one at Ewood in 2017 when he virtually got away with worse than this.
I’m with beddie on this.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:14 pm
by CoolClaret
Yeah I think this sentencing was needed to show some sort of deterrent.
It’s becoming a bit of a thing going on the pitch with malicious intent - I can’t recall it happening much from when I started going on in the sort of mid 90s till the past sort of seven years or so… most notable example being that Birmingham fan who actually assaulted Jack Grealish on the pitch.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:18 pm
by mdd2
Lucky he didn’t do this at a game in Saudi
He would only be able to repeat the offence if he had good prosthetic limbs to allow him to run and
D then strike a manager
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:19 pm
by Burnley Ace
CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:29 pm
Does or should this now set a precedent if assault but too light to cause injury happens at a lower level, such as non league? What happens if it is at a fans event and follows an argument?
Seems to me to be a bit of a thin end of a wedge, the law shouldn’t be a deterrent, the ban does that, the law is the law and has to hand out justice. Not sure a 3 month sentence is proportionate on this case (though I haven’t read everything about it).
Part of the Sentencing Exercise is deterrent, it’s one of the 5 purposes of sentencing.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/20 ... 57/enacted
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:26 pm
by TheFamilyCat
CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:29 pm
Does or should this now set a precedent if assault but too light to cause injury happens at a lower level, such as non league? What happens if it is at a fans event and follows an argument?
Seems to me to be a bit of a thin end of a wedge, the law shouldn’t be a deterrent, the ban does that, the law is the law and has to hand out justice. Not sure a 3 month sentence is proportionate on this case (though I haven’t read everything about it).
This is the sort of comment that makes this board great. "I have no idea of the details but I'm going to spout off my opinion anyway".
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:53 pm
by Walton
Surprised Tindall didn't shake his hand first
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:08 pm
by Goobs
4midable wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:52 pm
Jails a bit OTT
I guess it must be frustrating when you see a number larger than your I.Q.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:29 pm
by bfcjg
Society is going to the dogs,no respect for anything these days.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:07 pm
by CoolClaret
bfcjg wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 8:29 pm
Society is going to the dogs,no respect for anything these days.
Comes from the top down, imo.
When your politicians/ruling class are blatant crooks then it has ramifications across society.
Also factor in rampant wealth inequality and cost of living etc
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:16 pm
by Bordeauxclaret
Walton wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:53 pm
Surprised Tindall didn't shake his hand first
I bet he’s front and centre of the picture from when he enters the court room.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:18 pm
by LeadBelly
CoolClaret wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:07 pm
Comes from the top down, imo.
When your politicians/ruling class are blatant crooks then it has ramifications across society.
Also factor in rampant wealth inequality and cost of living etc
Less of the political claptrap please. Its just rank bad behaviour from this Leeds supporter- who knows whether he votes Con, Lib or Lab?
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:28 pm
by box_of_frogs
If he’d punched him, I’d totally get it. Pushed on the shoulder - 12 weeks (out in 5) seems harsh.
*haven’t seen it
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:30 pm
by CoolClaret
LeadBelly wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:18 pm
Less of the political claptrap please. Its just rank bad behaviour from this Leeds supporter- who knows whether he votes Con, Lib or Lab?
Spectacularly missing the point mate. Nothing to do with how an individual votes - my retort was also to the ‘society in the dogs’ comment, not this specific incident.
Crime rates etc in pretty much all countries across the globe rises when wealth inequality rises to unsustainable levels. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:43 pm
by Andingle
box_of_frogs wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:28 pm
If he’d punched him, I’d totally get it. Pushed on the shoulder - 12 weeks (out in 5) seems harsh.
*haven’t seen it
https://youtu.be/oBqCRfzY0O4?si=RWtwtJFjKJtdfDxW
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:48 pm
by ralph8
I think all these guys who invade the pitch and confront players and staff deserve a bit of porridge. Seems to be a badge of honour for the loons at the moments.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:48 pm
by Casper2
4midable wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:52 pm
Jails a bit OTT
Why ?
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 9:56 pm
by Spindles
Having watched the video, it seems a bit extreme. I understand the potential for escalation of trouble given the situation and the fact that he entered the field of play. I was expecting to at least see a shove which made Eddie have to regain his balance.
It's 2 weeks less than the guy who punched grealish on the blindside.
what did Cantona get for the flying kick.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2023 10:42 pm
by claretburns
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co ... 745500.amp
Yet a referee who punched twice during an under 7's game by an angry parent and the perpetrator got 150 hours community service.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:41 am
by fidelcastro
4midable wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:52 pm
Jails a bit OTT
Don't worry. He can always just get a job in the prison kitchen and be out in no time.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 12:47 am
by FCBurnley
If you are in prison can you post on UTC ? Asking for a friend
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 1:47 am
by Bullabill
. "Attacking" ???
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:16 am
by Jakubclaret
Tricky Trevor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 6:19 pm
Not at all. An example to the morons that you can’t attack a man for doing his job.
Next one should get 6 months.
Effectively walking into an environment with PlayStations & Xboxes rife I can really see the deterrent with prison, prisons are glorified holiday camps.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 5:38 am
by Suratclaret
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 3:16 am
Effectively walking into an environment with PlayStations & Xboxes rife I can really see the deterrent with prison, prisons are glorified holiday camps.
Just out of interest, how many times have you served a prison sentence?
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 6:18 am
by Herts Clarets
Walton wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 7:53 pm
Surprised Tindall didn't shake his hand first
He was busy looking into a mirror...
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:25 am
by Jakubclaret
Suratclaret wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 5:38 am
Just out of interest, how many times have you served a prison sentence?
Never, but I'm more than capable of reading the newspaper & watching the television.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:01 am
by bobinho
There’s a common misconception that the police and the courts are there to help protect everyone. They are actually there to protect the extremely wealthy and ‘well to do’ ruling class from the rest of us….
I’m of the opinion that if this happens at the fish counter in Tesco, the perp may well get arrested, but jail time? Not a chance. I don’t know what the sentencing criteria is for this type of offence but anyone with a sense of fairness can see he’s been shafted.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:18 am
by Burnley Ace
Suratclaret wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 5:38 am
Just out of interest, how many times have you served a prison sentence?
Or even been inside a prison!
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:21 am
by Burnley Ace
Jakubclaret wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 7:25 am
Never, but I'm more than capable of reading the newspaper & watching the television.
So you will know all about the suicide rate, the number of assaults, the chronic shortage of staff, the La k of medical provision, the lack of education and training, the aged and crumbling infrastructure and the problems with rodent infestation? Not sure access to a PS4 makes up for all that!
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:24 am
by Jakubclaret
Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:21 am
So you will know all about the suicide rate, the number of assaults, the chronic shortage of staff, the La k of medical provision, the lack of education and training, the aged and crumbling infrastructure and the problems with rodent infestation? Not sure access to a PS4 makes up for all that!
Who'd have thought it prison would be designed as some sort of a punishment.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:41 am
by Aclaret
I Always thought Prison should be like Hell.....so you never want to go back there after release !
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:00 am
by claptrappers_union
Aclaret wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:41 am
I Always thought Prison should be like Hell.....so you never want to go back there after release !
Most people don't
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:12 am
by claptrappers_union
Interesting that this guy got 12 weeks, but I wonder what sentence the girls who pie-faced Michael O’Leary in Brussels would’ve got in a British court?
For me the two cases are comparable according to the judge's comments
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:19 am
by groove
You've got to weigh up the sentence without being enraged that it happened at a sacred football ground. Offences are treated more harshly if they're at a football ground. If this happened on the street, in a pub, at a gig, wherever. It's dealt with by a community sentence, fine etc. So yes, it is over the top. Once you enter a football ground, you're treated differently by the law of the land. This is wrong.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:25 am
by kentonclaret
ClaretTony wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 5:00 pm
A Leeds fan got into the technical area last season and pushed Eddie Howe in his shoulder during their home game against Newcastle. Leeds have already banned him for life and he’s now been sent down for 12 weeks.
According to VAR if the shoulder push had been outside the technical area the penalty would not have been so harsh.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:27 am
by Rileybobs
The obvious difference between this incident and one on the street or at the Tesco fish counter is that the perp has already committed an offence by entering the field of play. His actions will also have been seen by tens of thousands of people, so the severe punishment is in part a deterrent for others to do equally brainless things.
Surprising how many people disagree with the sentence.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:29 am
by kentonclaret
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:12 am
Interesting that this guy got 12 weeks, but I wonder what sentence the girls who pie-faced Michael O’Leary in Brussels would’ve got in a British court?
For me the two cases are comparable according to the judge's comments
Getting pie-faced by a couple of tarts should at least qualify Michael for the next series of The Great British Bake Off.
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:29 am
by Jakubclaret
Burnley Ace wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 8:18 am
Or even been inside a prison!
Have you? I've visited prisons on a few occasions.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ctims.html
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:29 am
by Archer
groove wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:19 am
You've got to weigh up the sentence without being enraged that it happened at a sacred football ground. Offences are treated more harshly if they're at a football ground. If this happened on the street, in a pub, at a gig, wherever. It's dealt with by a community sentence, fine etc. So yes, it is over the top. Once you enter a football ground, you're treated differently by the law of the land. This is wrong.
Is it also clearly stated to be illegal to enter the street, a pub, a gig or wherever?
Re: Leeds fan jailed for attacking Eddie Howe
Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:39 am
by groove
Archer wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2023 9:29 am
Is it also clearly stated to be illegal to enter the street, a pub, a gig or wherever?
It can be. It's called Trespassing. Still wouldn't cross the custodial sentencing threshold though......
