• Clarets sign Muslim Athlete Charter

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:10 am**

https://www.burnleyfootballclub.com/con ... te-charter

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:15 am**

Excellent news.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:26 am**

Can only be a good thing

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:26 am**

Can he play left back ?

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:29 am**

Welcomed news that but why the use of so many '&' ampersands. Tidy up the copy and paste you do whilst creating copy.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:29 am**

It won’t be long….

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:30 am**

Good this. With the Muslim players we have and the great content we put out during last Ramadan, the club is in a great position to be a leader on inclusivity for Muslims in football.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:32 am**

Strangely, they published that article earlier this morning and then removed it for over an hour before republishing.

Agree with Loyalclaret, it's welcome news. He's also right on the use of the & in the article.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:40 am**

I'm a bit dubious about the tenth article that says "Muslim athletes will be given space to express their views on their faith without judgement. As with all comments and views, Muslim athletes must whenever possible discuss any public statements in advance with the organisation."

There are many aspects of Muslim views (just as with all other religions) that shouldn't be accepted without judgement. For example, Muslim views on homosexuality were well publicised during the World Cup and shouldn't be accepted without question.

Everything else seems more or less non-controversial - unless a lady footballer demands to play wearing a full hijab!

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:47 am**

Loyalclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:29 am
Welcomed news that but why the use of so many '&' ampersands. Tidy up the copy and paste you do whilst creating copy.

Yes, it's odd. Not the first time there's been some weird copy on the site.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:41 pm**

dsr wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:40 am
I'm a bit dubious about the tenth article that says "Muslim athletes will be given space to express their views on their faith without judgement. As with all comments and views, Muslim athletes must whenever possible discuss any public statements in advance with the organisation."

There are many aspects of Muslim views (just as with all other religions) that shouldn't be accepted without judgement. For example, Muslim views on homosexuality were well publicised during the World Cup and shouldn't be accepted without question.

Everything else seems more or less non-controversial - unless a lady footballer demands to play wearing a full hijab!

Told you….

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:29 pm**

What are you implying?

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:51 pm**

dsr wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:40 am
I'm a bit dubious about the tenth article that says "Muslim athletes will be given space to express their views on their faith without judgement. As with all comments and views, Muslim athletes must whenever possible discuss any public statements in advance with the organisation."

There are many aspects of Muslim views (just as with all other religions) that shouldn't be accepted without judgement. For example, Muslim views on homosexuality were well publicised during the World Cup and shouldn't be accepted without question.

Everything else seems more or less non-controversial - unless a lady footballer demands to play wearing a full hijab!

I’m struggling to find the word ‘accept’ in your quote.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:05 pm**

Excellent news. Really impressed by the club's stated ambition on diversity and inclusion.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:23 pm**

martin_p wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 1:51 pm
I’m struggling to find the word ‘accept’ in your quote.

I think you're being pedantic. If somebody is allowed to express something without judgement, it implies that it has to be accepted.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:38 pm**

groove wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:23 pm
I think you're being pedantic. If somebody is allowed to express something without judgement, it implies that it has to be accepted.

I don’t think i’m being pedantic at all, they’re two different things. You can not judge a person for following a religion and still disagree what they’re saying. At a very base level, being an atheist, I disagree with many things all religions say, the main one being the existence on a higher being. That doesn’t mean I judge any of them for being religious.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:43 pm**

martin_p wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:38 pm
I don’t think i’m being pedantic at all, they’re two different things. You can not judge a person for following a religion and still disagree what they’re saying. At a very base level, being an atheist, I disagree with many things all religions say, the main one being the existence on a higher being. That doesn’t mean I judge any of them for being religious.

Besides, I’m not sure dsr’s interpretation of that statement is correct anyway (plus it has the additional backstop of having to be cleared by the player’s club anyway, so the scenario won’t arise).

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:44 pm**

Then usual posters will be offended by this announcement

. Good news from the club.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:12 pm**

ClaretInLeeds wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 12:41 pm
Told you….

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:15 pm**

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:44 pm
Then usual posters will be offended by this announcement . Good news from the club.

The club have posted it on Facebook and the second comment is, "is there a Christian one?"

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:36 pm**

martin_p wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:38 pm
I don’t think i’m being pedantic at all, they’re two different things. You can not judge a person for following a religion and still disagree what they’re saying. At a very base level, being an atheist, I disagree with many things all religions say, the main one being the existence on a higher being. That doesn’t mean I judge any of them for being religious.

There's been a pretty good example of this with Israel Folau in recent years. Wasn't he suspended for his religious views?

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:59 pm**

Why so specific? ... Muslims are not the only people underrepresented in sport.
This would cove way more areas of our society, why just one area and create an argument....

CLARETS SIGN UNDERREPRESENTED ATHLETE CHARTER
September 15, 2023
News
Club sign pledge in continued commitment to equality and diversity for all
Burnley Football Club is extremely pleased to confirm that we have signed the Underrepresented Athlete Charter, demonstrating its continued commitment to equality and diversity for all.
With an increase of Underrepresented players in the profession as well as support from Underrepresented supporters, Burnley Football Club sought to sign the Underrepresented Athlete Charter to listen, learn & adopt good practice to help our players and staff flourish and our supporters feel valued and welcomed.
The Charter is a commitment to recognise Underrepresented needs in football as a whole as well as the Club, and a check list in addressing Underrepresented players’ needs.
This pledge is a part of Burnley Football Club's ongoing work around Equity, Diversity & Inclusion (EDI) & an important aspect for us to understand, grow & adopt good practice.
Ann-Marie Bradley, Head of HR at Burnley Football Club said “We are delighted to the sign the Underrepresented Athlete Charter. Along with our season long partnership with Building Bridges we believe that this is an integral part of our work in providing support to our Underrepresented players, staff and supporters. By signing the Underrepresented Athlete Charter and by understanding the Underrepresented faith and cultural needs, we can truly say that we represent our town as well as making all feel valued and appreciated at Burnley Football Club. One Club For All."
Ebadur Rahman, Founder & CEO of Nujum Sports, said: "It is an honour to have Burnley join over 80 professional clubs from 5 different sports, who have all pledged to support their Underrepresented players, fans and staff. We will be working closely with the Club for the upcoming season to make a positive impact in the sport."

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:13 pm**

Here we go

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:23 pm**

dsr wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:40 am
I'm a bit dubious about the tenth article that says "Muslim athletes will be given space to express their views on their faith without judgement. As with all comments and views, Muslim athletes must whenever possible discuss any public statements in advance with the organisation."

There are many aspects of Muslim views (just as with all other religions) that shouldn't be accepted without judgement. For example, Muslim views on homosexuality were well publicised during the World Cup and shouldn't be accepted without question.

Everything else seems more or less non-controversial - unless a lady footballer demands to play wearing a full hijab!

Agree with you almost 100%. Lady footballers do wear sports hijabs at international level. It’s not that different to wearing a protective head cover la Cech in terms of its actual impact on the game.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:28 pm**

Life is a lot easier and less tiresome if you just acknowledge something for what it is, or for what it’s aiming to achieve, and then carry on with the rest of your day.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:28 pm**

Fretters wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:15 pm
The club have posted it on Facebook and the second comment is, "is there a Christian one?"

Brilliant, I mean we're such a Christian country, aren't we?

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:37 pm**

LeuvenClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 4:59 pm
Why so specific? ... Muslims are not the only people underrepresented in sport.
This would cove way more areas of our society, why just one area and create an argument....

CLARETS SIGN UNDERREPRESENTED ATHLETE CHARTER
September 15, 2023
News
Club sign pledge in continued commitment to equality and diversity for all
Burnley Football Club is extremely pleased to confirm that we have signed the Underrepresented Athlete Charter, demonstrating its continued commitment to equality and diversity for all.
With an increase of Underrepresented players in the profession as well as support from Underrepresented supporters, Burnley Football Club sought to sign the Underrepresented Athlete Charter to listen, learn & adopt good practice to help our players and staff flourish and our supporters feel valued and welcomed.
The Charter is a commitment to recognise Underrepresented needs in football as a whole as well as the Club, and a check list in addressing Underrepresented players’ needs.
This pledge is a part of Burnley Football Club's ongoing work around Equity, Diversity & Inclusion (EDI) & an important aspect for us to understand, grow & adopt good practice.
Ann-Marie Bradley, Head of HR at Burnley Football Club said “We are delighted to the sign the Underrepresented Athlete Charter. Along with our season long partnership with Building Bridges we believe that this is an integral part of our work in providing support to our Underrepresented players, staff and supporters. By signing the Underrepresented Athlete Charter and by understanding the Underrepresented faith and cultural needs, we can truly say that we represent our town as well as making all feel valued and appreciated at Burnley Football Club. One Club For All."
Ebadur Rahman, Founder & CEO of Nujum Sports, said: "It is an honour to have Burnley join over 80 professional clubs from 5 different sports, who have all pledged to support their Underrepresented players, fans and staff. We will be working closely with the Club for the upcoming season to make a positive impact in the sport."

Boring

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:41 pm**

4midable wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:37 pm
Boring

Maybe it is but its more inclusive!

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:49 pm**

How many of our season ticket holders are Muslim and will the the signing of this Charter increase support from the underrepresented sections of the clubs catchment area ?

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:54 pm**

FCBurnley wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:49 pm
How many of our season ticket holders are Muslim and will the the signing of this Charter increase support from the underrepresented sections of the clubs catchment area ?

It shouldn't matter, anyone should feel safe and want to come and watch any football club, no matter who they are.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:11 pm**

While it’s clearly a box ticking exercise, I should like to think the club are fully open to all faiths without needed to shout about it . I’ve certainly seen a few more Asian faces on the turf the last season or 2 ,and you’d hope they’d come on without a second thought .

It’s a pity more young Asian lads don’t take up football more seriously ,as I’ve only really known the Bolton grass roots leagues have anything even approaching a passing representation even from the “ all Asian areas “

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:46 pm**

LeuvenClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:54 pm
It shouldn't matter, anyone should feel safe and want to come and watch any football club, no matter who they are.

It doesn’t matter. I don’t think anybody is afraid to watch us it’s more a matter of personal choice. I have no interest in tennis for example but it doesn’t mean I am afraid to attend. It simply means I’m not interested

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:54 pm**

helmclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:44 pm
Then usual posters will be offended by this announcement . Good news from the club.

I've yet to hear or read about anybody being offended, I guess if you can just make something up in a fictional sense yes some people are offended.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 6:56 pm**

It would be good for all people whatever the colour of their skin to be able to go to watch at TM and feel comfortable in doing so.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:07 pm**

Ever played against a all Muslim team from the Bradford Area?

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:18 pm**

TsarBomba wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:28 pm
Life is a lot easier and less tiresome if you just acknowledge something for what it is, or for what it’s aiming to achieve, and then carry on with the rest of your day.

What some aims to achieve or purports to aim to achieve isn't always the same thing.

I really don't see the purpose of this charter given that religious beliefs are already protected in UK law.

This thread demonstrates the unintended consequences - it's dividing people and potentially sharpening sectarianism. This is the exact opposite of what it purports to achieve.

Then there's the question of whether initiatives like this create a victim mentality? What are the potential long term issues if a large section of society is constantly told they are victims and that the only way to prevent themselves from being directly discriminated against is via such charters? Is it healthy to nurture a victim status in a large ethnic or religious minority within a society? Will it help or hinder us from building a cohesive society?

There are many other questions around this and other similar schemes.

But mainly I don't see what useful purpose it serves. The UK has some of the most rigorous and fair equality legislation in the world and religious beliefs are already covered.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:19 pm**

Les Lawrence wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:07 pm
Ever played against a all Muslim team from the Bradford Area?

There’s a few that play in the Pendle Sunday League. Paak Utd I believe.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:39 pm**

Manningham all stars as well but won't feature in the Pendle charity league more likely craven. Lot's of Asians just genuinely aren't interested in football more cricket, there are the barriers to breakthrough a lack of interest.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:49 pm**

ClaretInLeeds wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:19 pm
There’s a few that play in the Pendle Sunday League. Paak Utd I believe.

Paak A and Paak B were in the local leagues when I was playing 20 odd years ago. The A team had some good players.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 8:51 pm**

I would imagine that the club have signed up to this charter in order to obtain a finacial grant or similar.
Very much doubt they have done it out of the goodness of their hearts.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 9:20 pm**

Rowls wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 7:18 pm
What some aims to achieve or purports to aim to achieve isn't always the same thing.

I really don't see the purpose of this charter given that religious beliefs are already protected in UK law.

This thread demonstrates the unintended consequences - it's dividing people and potentially sharpening sectarianism. This is the exact opposite of what it purports to achieve.

Then there's the question of whether initiatives like this create a victim mentality? What are the potential long term issues if a large section of society is constantly told they are victims and that the only way to prevent themselves from being directly discriminated against is via such charters? Is it healthy to nurture a victim status in a large ethnic or religious minority within a society? Will it help or hinder us from building a cohesive society?

There are many other questions around this and other similar schemes.

But mainly I don't see what useful purpose it serves. The UK has some of the most rigorous and fair equality legislation in the world and religious beliefs are already covered.

Then there’s the argument that the club are wasting their time getting involved in things such as this as you can’t really change a racists mind.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:12 pm**

Bin Ont Turf wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:44 pm
Ha ha, the most exclusive religion on the planet.

There really is no end to the sandal wearing.

Under represented applies to a lot more than Muslims.
Having said that I don't see how signing a charter actually alters opinions or prejudices.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:45 pm**

I think that the club should be getting as far away from this sort of stuff as possible in all honesty.

Religion should be a personal thing and definitely not something intertwined with a business.

Being ‘inclusive’ with anything that by its very nature is ‘exclusive’ is the definition of a contradiction.

Some real hypocrisy going on when one minute it’s rainbow laces and the next it’s a safe haven to ‘express their views on the faith without judgement’

Anyone remember this?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61492696.amp

A simple mission statement about the clubs values and philosophy is more than sufficient, imo.

Posted: **Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:56 pm**

CoolClaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:45 pm
I think that the club should be getting as far away from this sort of stuff as possible in all honesty.

Religion should be a personal thing and definitely not something intertwined with a business.

Being ‘inclusive’ with anything that by its very nature is ‘exclusive’ is the definition of a contradiction.

Some real hypocrisy going on when one minute it’s rainbow laces and the next it’s a safe haven to ‘express their views on the faith without judgement’

Anyone remember this?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61492696.amp

A simple mission statement about the clubs values and philosophy is more than sufficient, imo.

It isn't hypocrisy if one Muslim is homophobic and other Muslims just exist

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:16 am**

daveisaclaret wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:56 pm
It isn't hypocrisy if one Muslim is homophobic and other Muslims just exist

I’ll no doubt get flamed for this but I think to actively participate in a religion(any religion) that inherently excludes or discriminates against certain groups/individuals based on their identity or non-belief is problematic and warrants scrutiny.

If someone isn't prejudiced against the LGBTQ+ or Atheist community, for instance, I find it challenging to reconcile how they can align with a belief system that, in doctrine, “condemns homosexuality/ non-believers to eternal punishment."

Maybe I’m overthinking it, but that’s essentially what people are endorsing - I don’t see why we should have to be tolerant to intolerance.

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2023 1:11 am**

Football shouldn't have anything to do with religion or politics

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:16 am**

Football is being loaded with more and more baggage, it is becoming the go to platform for gaining maximum publicity.
Going to Football is starting to feel like when going out on holiday and every restaurant and bar has someone on the street canvassing you for business, or the lines of people on the strip in Vegas trying to shove a flyer in your hand promoting prostitution each time you walk past.
I don't want there to be a time when we're having to wade through a field of pledges and gestures before we can get to the Football.
'Sport For All' used to be the mantra, what's difficult to understand about that?
Or is that now going to be robbed and turned into the next promotional campaign aimed at supporters: 'Sport For Allah'?

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:10 am**

How are we having to wade through this or any other initiative

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2023 9:14 am**

ClaretInLeeds wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 11:29 am
It won’t be long….

Well it didn’t take long for someone to post how eager they are for “it” to appear….

Posted: **Sat Sep 16, 2023 10:25 am**

martin_p wrote: ↑
Fri Sep 15, 2023 2:38 pm
I don’t think i’m being pedantic at all, they’re two different things. You can not judge a person for following a religion and still disagree what they’re saying. At a very base level, being an atheist, I disagree with many things all religions say, the main one being the existence on a higher being. That doesn’t mean I judge any of them for being religious.

If that's the main thing you disagree on I'd suggest you need to reorder your priorities. Of everything about any religion that is by far the least objectionable IMO.

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