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Charlie Taylor

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:06 pm
by equinox
What on earth was the problem?

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:21 pm
by alwaysaclaret
It really should be his shirt to lose now, but I wouldn't guarantee it

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:25 pm
by claret10
Apparently broke a curfew in Portugal, thankfully looks like all is forgiven now

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:28 pm
by LoveCurryPies
Happy birthday, Charlie and welcome back!

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:13 am
by Gp8419
Said it before he is probably our best proven premier league player left in the squad, never lets us down gives his all.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 1:49 am
by Clive 1960
Charlie had a outstanding game and i hope he gets a run now.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 2:34 am
by dermotdermot
He is our left back for the season.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:08 am
by Big Vinny K
Played well tonight but might be an idea to give him a few more games before hailing him as the next Maldini.

What does “he’s never let us down” even mean ? His form in the last couple of years under Dyche was not great. His assist and goal record is the poorest amongst any of our full backs in the last ten years - including Erik Pieters.

That doesn’t mean he’s ever let us down btw - as you can never question his commitment.

But he was an important player for us last season and hopefully he can be again this year.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:15 am
by Vegas Claret
Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:08 am
Played well tonight but might be an idea to give him a few more games before hailing him as the next Maldini.

What does “he’s never let us down” even mean ? His form in the last couple of years under Dyche was not great. His assist and goal record is the poorest amongst any of our full backs in the last ten years - including Erik Pieters.

That doesn’t mean he’s ever let us down btw - as you can never question his commitment.

But he was an important player for us last season and hopefully he can be again this year.
to be fair nobody really played particularly well in the last two years of the Dyche era.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 6:25 am
by Woodleyclaret
An excellent game and he linked well with Luca providing some excellent passes.His tackling back was none to shabby either.He is our best left back by some distance

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:02 am
by ashtonlongsider
Huge relief to see CT back last night. He had an excellent game and gave us the balance so obviously missing in the previous 3 games.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:04 am
by ksrclaret
I thought he was outstanding last night. A huge positive.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 7:58 am
by burnleymik
Big Vinny K wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 3:08 am
Played well tonight but might be an idea to give him a few more games before hailing him as the next Maldini.

What does “he’s never let us down” even mean ? His form in the last couple of years under Dyche was not great.
I actually thought he turned into one of our better performers under Dyche and seemed to get better the more he played.

He did well last night defensively and seemed to move the ball faster than previously. I think VK should let him keep his spot and see how he goes.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:01 am
by Burnley87
For all his flaws going forwards he is a very good 1v 1 defender and that is what we need on transition when we get broke on

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:13 am
by FeedTheArf
Great to see him back, and even more impressive that Kompany is humble enough to show when he's made an error and can change things.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:25 am
by jedi_master
Common sense has prevailed.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:43 am
by 123EasyasBFC
Without Taylor and brownhill on the left last night, koleosho wouldn’t have been able to play as he did

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:55 am
by burnley007
we looked so much more solid with Taylor and Browny. Gives our younger players more chance to shine alongside them.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:13 am
by alwaysaclaret
burnley007 wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:55 am
we looked so much more solid with Taylor and Browny. Gives our younger players more chance to shine alongside them.
Brownhill certainly wasn't comfortable on the left for at least the first 20mins, but grew into it and he's tenacity at times broke up the start of their attacks, but was assured that Taylor was always behind him, something we've missed desperately since he's been left out, as I've said already Charlie's shirt to lose, possibly we can play a more attacking system in a handful of games but in the majority we need him in that left back spot doing what he does best, well done chaz.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:14 am
by warksclaret
We love getting carried away-yes a great game and still a role to play in this team/squad. Lets move on to the next game and hope he can repeat it. Well done to the club for not selling him in the recent window

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:18 am
by Colburn_Claret
I can still see why VK doesn't fancy him.
He is great in the tackle and defensively, but he gets caught dithering when he's on the ball.
He had a good game last night, and there isn't a lot of competition for the spot. Utd are crap at the press, so Saturday should be in his favour.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:46 am
by Sleeping Cat
A round peg in a round hole. Welcome back Charlie.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:49 am
by 123EasyasBFC
Colburn_Claret wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:18 am
I can still see why VK doesn't fancy him.
He is great in the tackle and defensively, but he gets caught dithering when he's on the ball.
He had a good game last night, and there isn't a lot of competition for the spot. Utd are crap at the press, so Saturday should be in his favour.
I don’t think he dithered on the ball last night, he played the simple passes and played koleosho in over the top a few times. It’s the most solid back 4 has looked to

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:50 am
by Spijed
The bottom line is that we had to change our defensive line-up and bring Charlie Taylor into the side.

We had zero chance of surviving with the defence that we saw in the first 3 games.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:59 am
by Stayingup
Vegas Claret wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 4:15 am
to be fair nobody really played particularly well in the last two years of the Dyche era.
I thought Mee, Tarkowski and Pope were excellent in that period.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 10:31 am
by Devils_Advocate
Step backwards for me similar to when people were calling to play him at left back last year and for Lowton to play right back at times when we looked a bit fragile at the back.

If its a short term fix whilst VK works on how he can fit in someone like Delcroix into a flexible defence then fine but one of VK biggest strengths for me is that he is forward thinking, brave and skilled enough to sacrifice some short term gains for long term improvements and progression.

I suspect Taylor is going to be a starter in the short term so hopefully he proves me wrong and this draw is a kick start to Burnley starting to show themselves as a more than competent Premier League team

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:12 am
by Colburn_Claret
Spijed wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:50 am
The bottom line is that we had to change our defensive line-up and bring Charlie Taylor into the side.

We had zero chance of surviving with the defence that we saw in the first 3 games.
The problem wasn't with the players VK picked, but in the way they were set up, with the high line and slow reaction to the balls over the top.
Charlie had a good game, but we didn't press so high, and Brownhill playing deeper with his tackling, contributed just as much to the improvement as CT did.
If we want to play the style VK wants us to, then CT isn't the long term solution, although I'd definitely start him against utd.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:45 am
by claretspice
I thought Taylor was excellent last night. I'm sure he's had more dogged, eye-catching defensive performances in the past, perhaps in some of our more heroic backs-to-the-wall rearguard actions - but I thought last night was as mature and complete a performance as we've seen from Charlie in a Burnley shirt. His passing was thoughtful and well measured, he received the ball under pressure and dealt with it well, he defended 1v1 really well (particularly given that for all Koleosho was excellent for the hour he was on the left wing, he didn't give Charlie loads of help), and managed the game really well in some of the trickier moments.

I don't know why he was left out earlier in the season, but it does seem odd and certainly we'd have stood a better chance in all 3 of our opening fixtures had we lined up with Roberts and Taylor in the full back roles. He should certainly start for the foreseeable.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 11:49 am
by AlargeClaret
Worth noting Taylor is a proven experienced decent quality Premier league left back . Many of new squad members have been playing their trade against taxi drivers and security guards .

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:33 pm
by Gazclaret83
equinox wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:06 pm
What on earth was the problem?
Apparently he couldn't play in kompanys system

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:39 pm
by CoolClaret
Spijed wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:50 am
The bottom line is that we had to change our defensive line-up and bring Charlie Taylor into the side.

We had zero chance of surviving with the defence that we saw in the first 3 games.
Zero, and if we return to those suicide tactics then the result will be the same.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:47 pm
by Devils_Advocate
CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:39 pm
Zero, and if we return to those suicide tactics then the result will be the same.
Aye but this time last year Spijed was telling us we had no chance of promotion with our dodgy defence whilst you was calling for VK to be more pragmatic and play Taylor and Lowton at full back

Thankfully VK didn't have the pair of you as his special advisors last season
CoolClaret wrote:
Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:47 pm
It’s getting rather repetitive

For me -and I’ve been saying it for the past five-seven games or so, we need to be more pragmatic.

Swap Cullen for a striker(or play Tella dedicated striker and Zaroury on the left) with Brownhill dropping into midfield & Chaz to left back with Lowton coming back in at right back.

Lowts-THB-Beyer-Taylor
———Cork-Brownhill

All of a sudden we won’t look small in both boxes and have a bit more know now in now to see off games.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:57 pm
by CoolClaret
Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:47 pm
Aye but this time last year Spijed was telling us we had no chance of promotion with our dodgy defence whilst you was calling for VK to be more pragmatic and play Taylor and Lowton at full back

Thankfully VK didn't have the pair of you as his special advisors last season
I think I said that precisely once and I don’t know which specific thread you decided to pull that up from but I bet it was one of the first few weeks of the season - certainly not later on. Wouldn’t surprise me if it was after Preston away after conceding to a set piece.

Roberts was absolutely toss at the beginning of last season as well there’s no denying that. He even admitted that himself as much.

I think I called for Lowts once and was happy with Maatsen (one of his biggest fans) after we did start cutting out a few mistakes and looked a bit more organised.. not for once suggesting that it’s set and forget more evolve into a more expansive system rather than throw the chance of points in some games away.

Just to add:

Do you actually want to try and offer any opinion and do anything of note or just be a forum cock? Very boring

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:02 pm
by Ampth7
Yes, I thought Taylor was terrific last night at both ends of the pitch. So important to have at least some premier league experience in the team and he along with Brownhill made a real difference last night. Hope he stays fit all season.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:05 pm
by Devils_Advocate
CoolClaret wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 8:57 pm
I think I said that precisely once and I don’t know which specific thread you decided to pull that up from but I bet it was one of the first few weeks of the season - certainly not later on. Wouldn’t surprise me if it was after Preston away after conceding to a set piece.

Roberts was absolutely toss at the beginning of last season as well there’s no denying that. He even admitted that himself as much.

I think I called for Lowts once and was happy with Maatsen (one of his biggest fans) after we did start cutting out a few mistakes and looked a bit more organised.. not for once suggesting that it’s set and forget more evolve into a more expansive system rather than throw the chance of points in some games away.

Just to add:

Do you actually want to try and offer any opinion and do anything of note or just be a forum cock? Very boring
I've offered my opinion on the subject but just noting how plenty of people were sniping about our attacking style last season and making knee jerk reactions similar to those this season.

You've spent the last few months nit picking at almost everything and then get defensive and nasty if you get called out on it.

Personally I'll be disappointed if Taylor ends up as a regular first teamer as it'll feel like a step backwards but if thats where we are Im sure VK will work and get the best out of the situation

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:20 pm
by CoolClaret
Devils_Advocate wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2023 9:05 pm
I've offered my opinion on the subject but just noting how plenty of people were sniping about our attacking style last season and making knee jerk reactions similar to those this season.

You've spent the last few months nit picking at almost everything and then get defensive and nasty if you get called out on it.

Personally I'll be disappointed if Taylor ends up as a regular first teamer as it'll feel like a step backwards but if thats where we are Im sure VK will work and get the best out of the situation
I think suggesting that we need a bit of steel in after we just conceded 11 goals in 3 games at home is anything but knee jerk - anyhow low and behold with Chaz and Browny back in (albeit playing a ‘lesser’ side) we all of a sudden looked a lot less susceptible to the counter - go figure.

I have ‘nit picked’ some of our business and set up at home against very good counter attacking sides.

Not sure how that’s almost everything but whatever

Edit - not to mention Brighton are cool playing 30 yr old Dubk and a 37 yr old Milner, and a 35 yr old Lallana.

A bit of experience in this league can help tremendously

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:32 am
by ArmchairDetective
I wrote him off too soon playing 'in this system'. On reflection he fits very nicely with what we need this year. Still stand by the opinion that he didn't offer as much as Maatsen did last season when he did play. But we need solidity this year. Charlie seems to fit the bill.

Great to see him back.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 12:55 pm
by summitclaret
I think its worked out for the best. I loved the way IM played last season, but we been to be able to defend more now and CT is a good player.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:33 pm
by AlargeClaret
It’s easy to forget what an excellent old school LB Taylor is , his tackling and taking players to the byline is quality . He didn’t offer as much as Maatsen did in the champ, though more to do with IM’s forward ability being excellent and not a lot of games under the cosh .

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:33 pm
by whiffa
He gives us some much needed height at the back as well, won a lot of headers the other night. Part of his game often unnoticed.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:35 pm
by Quicknick
I am in favour of Taylor starting. First-class old-school left back.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:43 pm
by CoolClaret
I think his passing was actually really good against Forest - definitely seems to have improved on that front.

Certainly didn’t look laboured and switched play numerous times with a few cross field balls.

His 1vs1 defending is easily the best that we have in the side right now, I think it’s needed coming up against some of the wingers/wing backs that have ran us ragged or will look to in our games. He really did keep Elanga quiet.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:46 pm
by Bordeauxclaret
His passing was really good, some lovely weighted passes over their full backs head.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 1:59 pm
by Elizabeth
Forest are one of the teams we can compete against and Taylor was certainly up to the job on Monday

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:19 pm
by Belgianclaret
Experienced lad who never disappoints, should keep his place IMO

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:56 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
Is he the only left full back currently at the club ? Dodgson is on loan isn’t he. Hope he stays fit definitely works in a traditional 4-4-2.

Doesn’t play sexy but does the basics very well.

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:07 pm
by Claretnick
The club posted highlights of Charlie's performance at Nottingham Forest

https://x.com/BurnleyOfficial/status/17 ... 21952?s=20

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:14 pm
by BleedingClaret
Superjohnnyfrancis wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 5:56 pm
Is he the only left full back currently at the club ? Dodgson is on loan isn’t he. Hope he stays fit definitely works in a traditional 4-4-2.

Doesn’t play sexy but does the basics very well.
Sliding tackles are old style sexy

Re: Charlie Taylor

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:17 pm
by Superjohnnyfrancis
BleedingClaret wrote:
Wed Sep 20, 2023 6:14 pm
Sliding tackles are old style sexy
Especially with Alex Scott 🥴