If we get relegated what will our financial position be ? Easy question but a very difficult answer I suspect

The answer is we will sell 1-3 players and be fine.

Think Pace was infatuated with Kompany and has really backed him. Can’t get my head behind the mass recruitment of wide players and goalkeeper though. Just wasn’t needed.

We’ll be doomed. Financially obliterated.

JR1882 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:52 pm

The answer is we will sell 1-3 players and be fine.

Which three players will we sell for a big fee?

Only one I can see if Foster

This is why I’m worried more about this season than any other. I just keep telling myself we’ve lost the games we expected to lose. The manner of the defeats I’m trying to ignore.

Yes we have!

This team would romp the Championship.

Same answer as last time I'd have thought if relegation was to happen

We’ve spent a hell of a lot to not strengthen. We do have players to sell though if we go down. We’d also have a good ( but far from guaranteed) chance of coming back up.

8 matches in ... Played City, ,Villa, Utd, Tottenham, Newcastle, Chelsea (teams we rarely get much from) ... we have taken points from Forest and Luton ...

I will reserve judgement for a while yet

If we take 4 points from the 'bottom half teams' over the season and a few points from the top half teams in the second half of the season we'll be more than OK.

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:56 pm

Think Pace was infatuated with Kompany and has really backed him. Can’t get my head behind the mass recruitment of wide players and goalkeeper though. Just wasn’t needed.

I think this sums it up perfectly .:: Pace must be starting
to wonder if VK recruitments can keep us in this league and if not .::: what is he going to do ? .. Could be some tough decisions on the way for him

Financially we’ll be absolutely fine, as said above we will sell a few and still have a very good, young, talented and probably better balanced squad. Far too soon for relegation talk, long way to go UTC

‘The other 14’ Twitter account is actually a useful and interesting thing for calming the nerves. We were top half after Luton just going to check now .

Am I right in thinking we would only get 2 years Parachute payments if we are relegated this season ?

The starting 11 yesterday would walk the championship

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:56 pm

Think Pace was infatuated with Kompany and has really backed him. Can’t get my head behind the mass recruitment of wide players and goalkeeper though. Just wasn’t needed.

I'd add O'Shea into that. We had McNally.

123EasyasBFC wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:45 am

The starting 11 yesterday would walk the championship

So it should!

The concerning question for me is which players would we sell to bridge the financial gap?

Trafford - far from convinced by him and certainly nowhere near my expectations considering how highly rated he was at City.
Beyer - possibly, certainly the pick of our centre backs so far
Al Dakhil - an error per game that leads to us conceding, not sure the queue of suitors would be a long one
Cullen - nowhere near the player he was last season, the step up in skill levels, pace and physicality is one too far for him
Brownhill - OK Championship player
Berge - possibly
Koleosho - raw, pace, obvious talent but has delivered very little
Foster - certainly been the pick of our players so far
Zaroury and Benson - lit up the Championship but have barely featured so far

The rest are either not ours to sell, not seen enough to pass judgement or have little or no resale value - Jay, JBG, Cork etc.

randomclaret2 wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 08, 2023 11:36 am

Am I right in thinking we would only get 2 years Parachute payments if we are relegated this season ?

Not as far as I’m aware. Resets.

Herts Clarets wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:33 pm

The concerning question for me is which players would we sell to bridge the financial gap?

Trafford - far from convinced by him and certainly nowhere near my expectations considering how highly rated he was at City.
Beyer - possibly, certainly the pick of our centre backs so far
Al Dakhil - an error per game that leads to us conceding, not sure the queue of suitors would be a long one
Cullen - nowhere near the player he was last season, the step up in skill levels, pace and physicality is one too far for him
Brownhill - OK Championship player
Berge - possibly
Koleosho - raw, pace, obvious talent but has delivered very little
Foster - certainly been the pick of our players so far
Zaroury and Benson - lit up the Championship but have barely featured so far

The rest are either not ours to sell, not seen enough to pass judgement or have little or no resale value - Jay, JBG, Cork etc.

We’re 8 games in. I wouldn’t get too concerned yet.

But I expect Koleosho, Foster, Amdouni, maybe Odobert on what I’ve seen, and perhaps Berge too, would all attract bids.

On top of that we’ve just had a £90m cash injection.

Really not an issue at all.

We have a young squad, full of potential etc

They’re catching the eye of other clubs
They’re tied down to decent contracts
They’re not going to be leaving for free or on the cheap

For example, Koleosho has shown he’s got lots of raw talent, pace, lack of fear/respect for who he plays against - if he carries on like this for the season you’d easily get £20 million next summer, The USA coach is trying to tempt him back into the international fold, but Italy will probably want to keep him

Foster - another who’s showing real potential, pace and an eye for goal - again if he carries on £20 million plus

Odebert looks exciting too

Trafford - still young and developing, we’d get back more than we paid for him

Defenders historically fetch less but we’ve got some good young talent back there and they’re going to get good money

The issue is fans on here tend to undervalue the players, for whatever strange reason it is I’ve never worked out, but thankfully they’re not part of the club’s management structure or transfer team

If we went down, we’d be under no pressure to sell and we’d smash the 106 record easily with this squad, it wouldn’t be much effort

FCBurnley wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 07, 2023 5:26 pm

If we get relegated what will our financial position be ? Easy question but a very difficult answer I suspect

For all we know we are backed by a country with more money than the Saudi's

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:08 pm

The issue is fans on here tend to undervalue the players, for whatever strange reason it is I’ve never worked out, but thankfully they’re not part of the club’s management structure or transfer team

If we went down, we’d be under no pressure to sell and we’d smash the 106 record easily with this squad, it wouldn’t be much effort

Some of the overreactions to recent results on here have been classic. Hopefully we can dust off these threads around April time, but to your point even if we go down I’d be very comfortable.

Even assuming we had to sell the likes of Foster, Koleosho, Amdouni, Tresor, etc if we went down, I still think Odobert, Berge, JBL, Massengo, etc make us a miles stronger than last time we were there. A team with a years PL experience and the benefit of all VK’s training for 1-2 years in the Champ would be incredible to watch if it comes to that.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:22 pm

For all we know we are backed by a country with more money than the Saudi's

Oh just imagine

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 4:56 pm

Oh just imagine

The money is coming from somewhere

GodIsADeeJay81 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 1:08 pm

Trafford - still young and developing, we’d get back more than we paid for him

We sold an England international to a wallowing in money, Nation State backed Newcastle Utd for £10m, half the price Trafford has already cost us.

Vegas Claret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:09 pm

The money is coming from somewhere

Well I would not complain to finally have some mega-rich BC backers

Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:14 pm

We sold an England international to a wallowing in money, Nation State backed Newcastle Utd for £10m, half the price Trafford has already cost us.

Still haunts me how cheaply we let Pope go.

Have we bet the ranch? Probably not, no. Because the assets we have bought are young, on long contracts and have huge potential. That is vital (irrelevant the secondary argument about whether some experience would have been also good).

Trafford is young and English, as is Ramsey. Both would be likely to stay if relegated unless they have a stormer in which case they would go for tens of millions each. Looking like at least 4 of the forwards would go for at least £20m, the more rounded of those would be Foster, entirely plausible he could be worth £50m in a year.

Then we get assets like Berge who is just a solid international that has a value in excess of £10m, probably more. That’s before we get to Beyer etc.

So no, I think they have invested well, albeit in a lopsided way that makes it hard on the pitch. I also find it unlikely they would sell the club in the next 2 years, because the value to them would be if many of these players develop, which they haven't yet done. So, all good as far as I am concerned.

Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:14 pm

We sold an England international to a wallowing in money, Nation State backed Newcastle Utd for £10m, half the price Trafford has already cost us.

Only had a year left on his contract I think.


Traffords current value is probably around 500-k to £1m if you were to sell him next week. I’d be amazed if anyone would give over that amount. Ramsey 2-300k , I dread to think how much he has cost , does anyone know?

Sleeping Cat wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 5:14 pm

We sold an England international to a wallowing in money, Nation State backed Newcastle Utd for £10m, half the price Trafford has already cost us.

Yup and he had 12mths left on his contract, wanted to go etc

Be interesting to see how many we could sell into the Prem League from this squad should the worse happen
there are i think six who started the 21-22 campaign with Prem Clubs. plus Cornet who signed I think in Jan 2021 along with
you know who.
The six were Tarks Mee Collins Pope McNeil Wood

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:44 pm

Only had a year left on his contract I think.


Traffords current value is probably around 500-k to £1m if you were to sell him next week. I’d be amazed if anyone would give over that amount. Ramsey 2-300k , I dread to think how much he has cost , does anyone know?

If we listen to VK and Pace we are here 12months ahead of schedule so that simple fact may be why we will struggle if we do

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:59 pm

Alan didn’t look like he was laughing on Saturday, knows he’s had his pants down twice so far this season.

Was it true that VK said we now have better players Anass Zaroury?

If so, unless he gets some game time he'll probably end up going out on loan and leaving for peanuts.

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:07 pm

Alan didn’t look like he was laughing on Saturday, knows he’s had his pants down twice so far this season.

Let’s wait and see how much they eventually sell for and then let’s have this discussion.

NewClaret wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:13 pm

Let’s wait and see how much they eventually sell for and then let’s have this discussion.

Sure

Spijed wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:10 pm

Was it true that VK said we now have better players Anass Zaroury?

If so, unless he gets some game time he'll probably end up going out on loan and leaving for peanuts.

Bloody hope not favourite player from last season.

Spijed wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 7:10 pm

Was it true that VK said we now have better players Anass Zaroury?

If so, unless he gets some game time he'll probably end up going out on loan and leaving for peanuts.

No, that is an incorrect quote.
He said we had players of equal ability.

Garnerssoap wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 08, 2023 10:34 am

‘The other 14’ Twitter account is actually a useful and interesting thing for calming the nerves. We were top half after Luton just going to check now .

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 6:44 pm

Only had a year left on his contract I think.


Traffords current value is probably around 500-k to £1m if you were to sell him next week. I’d be amazed if anyone would give over that amount. Ramsey 2-300k , I dread to think how much he has cost , does anyone know?

You can’t possibly believe any of this nonsense

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:12 pm

You can’t possibly believe any of this nonsense

their getting 4's and 5's every week course i do.

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:14 pm

their getting 4's and 5's every week course i do.

Trafford even if he continues in this form will go for more than 20m
In the summer.

Ramsey will retain his value and if he plays as regular as Trafford he will be worth more than we bought him for.

Suggesting anything else is just nonsense.

I mean less than 1m is literally a joke. We will sell Churlinov for probably triple that and he hasn’t kicked a ball for a year

Newcastleclaret93 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:16 pm

Trafford even if he continues in this form will go for more than 20m
In the summer.

Ramsey will retain his value and if he plays as regular as Trafford he will be worth more than we bought him for.

Suggesting anything else is just nonsense.

I mean less than 1m is literally a joke. We will sell Churlinov for probably triple that and he hasn’t kicked a ball for a year

Ok name me one team that would buy Trafford for £20-30m

his performances so far merit around 500k if a team was absolutely desperate for a keeper and thats being generous

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:19 pm

his performances so far merit around 500k if a team was absolutely desperate for a keeper and thats being generous

No, that's being really harsh

boatshed bill wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:26 pm

No, that's being really harsh

I know where in an inflationary environment but i bet Alan is absolutely spewing over his spreadheet while he checks the forum

Superjohnnyfrancis wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 09, 2023 9:33 pm

I know where in an inflationary environment but i bet Alan is absolutely spewing over his spreadheet while he checks the forum

he'd be daft to even glance at this forum.
And he's not daft.