Up to and including Chelsea game (players who have played four or more qualifying games)

7.05 - Lyle Foster
6.73 - Charlie Taylor
6.45 - Jordan Beyer
6.35 - Sander Berge
6.34 - Luca Koleosho
6.33 - Jacob Bruun Larsen
6.31 - Josh Brownhill
6.22 - Jóhann Berg Guðmundsson
6.18 - Josh Cullen
6.11 - Ameen Al-Dakhil
6.04 - Zeki Amdouni
5.93 - James Trafford
5.90 - Dara O'Shea
5.79 - Connor Roberts
5.59 - Vitinho
5.50 - Hannes Delcroix
5.44 - Aaron Ramsey

Good ol’ Charlie!

Interesting thing about this if we took the top 10 that is arguably our strongest line up, just JBG and JBL in the same role and no right back so we would have to swap JBG for Roberts.

Maybe our fans do know something about football…….and why this has always been a good and meaningful feature of this site.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:52 am

Interesting thing about this if we took the top 10 that is arguably our strongest line up, just JBG and JBL in the same role and no right back so we would have to swap JBG for Roberts.

Maybe our fans do know something about football…….and why this has always been a good and meaningful feature of this site.

Just my opinion, but if it doesn’t contain Benson or Zaroury then it isn’t our strongest line up.

Interesting stats and feels about right to me.

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:06 pm

Just my opinion, but if it doesn’t contain Benson or Zaroury then it isn’t our strongest line up.

Which is why I used the word arguably.

But my point is that people could make that argument so statistically it is a strong method of rating players over a season, rarely does a winner come from left field (no pun intended).

Very interesting them - I agree it's probably bang on for the season so far.. Perhaps Foster .2 higher or so

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:15 pm

Which is why I used the word arguably.

But my point is that people could make that argument so statistically it is a strong method of rating players over a season, rarely does a winner come from left field (no pun intended).

Totally agree with this and your previous post, it’s a great feature of the site.

Although most of this board will probably say the (current) winner was from left-field given loads of people wrote him off.

CrosspoolClarets wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:52 am

Interesting thing about this if we took the top 10 that is arguably our strongest line up, just JBG and JBL in the same role and no right back so we would have to swap JBG for Roberts.

Maybe our fans do know something about football…….and why this has always been a good and meaningful feature of this site.

And I think most fans would have expected that line up for the Chelsea game after the win at Luton

Updated after Arsenal game and every single player's average rating has gone down since I last posted the list following the Chelsea game.

6.96 - Lyle Foster
6.31 - Charlie Taylor
6.24 - Sander Berge
6.23 - Jordan Beyer
6.07 - Jόhann Berg Guðmundsson
6.06 - Luca Koleosho
5.96 - Josh Brownhill
5.89 - Jacob Bruun Larsen
5.70 - James Trafford
5.69 - Josh Cullen
5.59 - Ameen Al-Dakhil
5.57 - Connor Roberts
5.53 - Zeki Amdouni
5.50 - Vitinho
5.42 - Dara O'Shea
5.14 - Jay Rodriguez

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:02 am

Updated after Arsenal game and every single player's average rating has gone down since I last posted the list following the Chelsea game.

6.96 - Lyle Foster
6.31 - Charlie Taylor
6.24 - Sander Berge
6.23 - Jordan Beyer
6.07 - Jόhann Berg Guðmundsson
6.06 - Luca Koleosho
5.96 - Josh Brownhill
5.89 - Jacob Bruun Larsen
5.70 - James Trafford
5.69 - Josh Cullen
5.59 - Ameen Al-Dakhil
5.57 - Connor Roberts
5.53 - Zeki Amdouni
5.50 - Vitinho
5.42 - Dara O'Shea
5.14 - Jay Rodriguez

Interesting - do you have the average ratings for the 21/22 season for comparison, CT?

I'd argue these aren't too far wrong, JayRod one too harsh and Berge should probably be up near where Lyle is. Perhaps a few more for Koleosho/JBG/Vitinho

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:09 am

Interesting - do you have the average ratings for the 21/22 season for comparison, CT?

I'd argue these aren't too far wrong, JayRod one too harsh and Berge should probably be up near where Lyle is. Perhaps a few more for Koleosho/JBG/Vitinho

Final Ratings in 2021/22

7.04 - Nick Pope
6.99 - Nathan Collins
6.95 - Ben Mee
6.91 - James Tarkowski
6.71 - Erik Pieters
6.52 - Charlie Taylor
6.36 - Connor Roberts
6.35 - Dwight McNeil
6.30 - Josh Brownhill & Aaron Lennon
6.29 - Maxwel Cornet
6.24 - Jay Rodriguez
6.20 - Wout Weghorst
6.19 - Matěj Vydra
6.13 - Jack Cork
6.03 - Matt Lowton
5.71 - Jόhann Berg Guðmundsson
5.59 - Ashley Barnes
5.58 - Ashley Westwood
5.57 - Chris Wood

Charlie still in the top 6 , get him sold January he's gash thorough professional

He's a good man. And thorough.

I think Charlie is under-appreciated…particularly in one important quarter!
UTC.

And there we see our problem. Our keeper and defence compares poorly with 21/22.

summitclaret wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 15, 2023 2:24 pm

And there we see our problem. Our keeper and defence compares poorly with 21/22.

But we are playing against way better opposition at Premier League level

Not looked at all figures but I wouldn't think anyone has a higher rating this season than last

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:26 pm

But we are playing against way better opposition at Premier League level

Not looked at all figures but I wouldn't think anyone has a higher rating this season than last

21/22 season man - aka the last time we were in the Premier League.

Unless you thought Pope, Collins and Mee played for us last year?

jojomk1 wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:26 pm

But we are playing against way better opposition at Premier League level

Not looked at all figures but I wouldn't think anyone has a higher rating this season than last

Last Premier League season and a relegation season too when our goalkeeper and defenders were up at the top.

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:28 pm

Last Premier League season and a relegation season too when our goalkeeper and defenders were up at the top.

Our defence was fine that year - just couldn’t put them in the onion bag.

This year?… Yeah poor at both ends of the field, sadly

CoolClaret wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:32 pm

Our defence was fine that year - just couldn’t put them in the onion bag.

This year?… Yeah poor at both ends of the field, sadly

I don’t think we will ever score a lot of goals at Premier League level. Looking back at the previous seasons, we’ve scored:

2009/10 - 42
2014/15 - 28
2016/17 - 39
2017/18 - 36
2018/19 - 45
2019/20 - 43
2020/21 - 33
2021/22 - 34

That means we have got to be good defensively and this is how many we’ve conceded in each season.

2009/10 - 82
2014/15 - 53
2016/17 - 55
2017/18 - 39
2018/19 - 68
2019/20 - 50
2020/21 - 55
2021/22 - 53

BurnleyFC wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:06 pm

Just my opinion, but if it doesn’t contain Benson or Zaroury then it isn’t our strongest line up.

Zaroury has disappeared.....

ClaretTony wrote: ↑

Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:41 pm

I don’t think we will ever score a lot of goals at Premier League level. Looking back at the previous seasons, we’ve scored:

2009/10 - 42
2014/15 - 28
2016/17 - 39
2017/18 - 36
2018/19 - 45
2019/20 - 43
2020/21 - 33
2021/22 - 34

That means we have got to be good defensively and this is how many we’ve conceded in each season.

2009/10 - 82
2014/15 - 53
2016/17 - 55
2017/18 - 39
2018/19 - 68
2019/20 - 50
2020/21 - 55
2021/22 - 53

Some remarkable stats there- very surprised our top scoring season was the year after we made Europe, just imagine if we could have hit those figures in 17/18 we could have been on the cusp of the CL. Of course if you flip that around the other way we'd likely have gone down in 18/19.
Also very surprising we scored 1 more & conceded 2 less in the last relegation than in the year before.
Strong defence really is the foundation of a team in a relegation fight, those 09/10 figures are eye watering.

spt_claret wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:56 am

those 09/10 figures are eye watering.

Right now we're on pace for 28.5 goals for and 95 against - just to give some context to what we've served up so far, basically a third way through the season.