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the new frasier
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:08 pm
by yTib
having been a fan of the original i didn't know what to expect in this post curb your enthusiasm comedy landscape.
two episodes in and it seems they should've left it alone.
and nicholas lyndhurst is in it as well so...
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:15 pm
by steve1264b
What channel?
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:22 pm
by Lip
Don't think they could ever upstage the original series. One of the best things to come out of America..
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:36 pm
by yTib
steve1264b wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:15 pm
What channel?
it's available on some 'ahem' internet sites.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:34 pm
by longsidetrumpet
Frasier is my favourite ever US comedy. There was a trailer for the reboot on YouTube which I saw, which actually didn’t give much of a clue about how the new series would work. The magic of the original series was the ensemble itself. But the ensemble hasn’t been reassembled for various reasons so I have my doubts
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:41 pm
by Colburn_Claret
I like Frasier, and Cheers, but there are loads of good American comedies..Soap was one of my favourites, I'm sure I could come up with a list without trying.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:49 am
by Spijed
Colburn_Claret wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:41 pm
I like Frasier, and Cheers, but there are loads of good American comedies..Soap was one of my favourites, I'm sure I could come up with a list without trying.
Friends was very good as was the Big Bang Theory.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:25 am
by claptrappers_union
Spijed wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:49 am
Friends were very good as was the Big Bang Theory.
When America do good TV, it is brilliant; when they do bad TV….
Seinfeld was a good studio sitcom. Bringing that back as a Curb Your Enthusiasm plot was a great idea.
If it were up to me, I would've brought Fraiser back as a conventional TV show without the studio audience. Have it more of a comedy-drama.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:44 am
by aggi
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 8:25 am
When America do good TV, it is brilliant;
when they do bad TV….
Seinfeld was a good studio sitcom. Bringing that back as a Curb Your Enthusiasm plot was a great idea.
If it were up to me, I would've brought Fraiser back as a conventional TV show without the studio audience. Have it more of a comedy-drama.
The American "remake" of Only Fools has to be seen to be believed how terrible it is. Unsurprisingly never made it past the pilot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ob02R52HK3U
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:51 am
by Colburn_Claret
Spijed wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:49 am
Friends was very good as was the Big Bang Theory.
I hate Friends, but do like TBBT
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:24 am
by evensteadiereddie
There's an American version of "Ghosts" which should be interesting.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:56 am
by Billy Balfour
I used to loved Frasier. For me though, it lost a lot when Daphne and Niles got together. The unrequited love is part of what made their interactions so enjoyable to watch.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:35 am
by claptrappers_union
evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:24 am
There's an American version of "Ghosts" which should be interesting.
Its dreadful, like too many US comedies they try to squeeze in too many jokes.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:57 am
by Big Vinny K
Frasier was brilliant - one of the best tv shows in history IMHO. Niles is one of my favourite comedy characters ever.
Not sure I will bother with the new show - especially with most of the original cast not involved. I’d rather watch the repeats - I still enjoy them.
Cheers was fantastic too - such a fantastic cast and the writing was just incredible.
I never really watched Seinfeld - but I am a massive Curb fan. Again I think that’s one of the best and cleverest programmes ever produced.
Americans do these things so well (as do we). One of my guilty pleasures as it’s obviously not as risky as the likes of Curb is ‘Everybody Loves Raymond”. I love this show - the guy who played Frank Barone (Raymond’s dad)….Peter Boyle incidentally played Frankenstein in Young Frankenstein which is my favourite comedy film ever !
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:06 pm
by Stalbansclaret
Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:57 am
Frasier was brilliant - one of the best tv shows in history IMHO. Niles is one of my favourite comedy characters ever.
Not sure I will bother with the new show - especially with most of the original cast not involved. I’d rather watch the repeats - I still enjoy them.
Cheers was fantastic too - such a fantastic cast and the writing was just incredible.
I never really watched Seinfeld - but I am a massive Curb fan. Again I think that’s one of the best and cleverest programmes ever produced.
Americans do these things so well (as do we). One of my guilty pleasures as it’s obviously not as risky as the likes of Curb is ‘Everybody Loves Raymond”. I love this show - the guy who played Frank Barone (Raymond’s dad)….Peter Boyle incidentally played Frankenstein in Young Frankenstein which is my favourite comedy film ever !
Agree that Frasier without Niles does not sound very appealing. Love the original series which had a fantastic group of characters and some brilliant writing based around their various traits.
Re Cheers Channel 4 seem to often have episodes on early in the morning, around 7am, and I sometimes find myself watching one in bed when I put the telly on in the morning. It's an absolute joy ! Everyone Loves Raymond is also often onat a similar time.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:15 pm
by Fretters
America remakes either go one way or another.
The Office - absolutely superb.
Inbetweeners - no. Just no,
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:20 pm
by Spijed
Big Vinny K wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:57 am
Frasier was brilliant - one of the best tv shows in history IMHO. Niles is one of my favourite comedy characters ever.
Not sure I will bother with the new show - especially with most of the original cast not involved. I’d rather watch the repeats - I still enjoy them.
Cheers was fantastic too - such a fantastic cast and the writing was just incredible.
I never really watched Seinfeld - but I am a massive Curb fan. Again I think that’s one of the best and cleverest programmes ever produced.
Americans do these things so well (as do we). One of my guilty pleasures as it’s obviously not as risky as the likes of Curb is ‘Everybody Loves Raymond”. I love this show - the guy who played Frank Barone (Raymond’s dad)….Peter Boyle incidentally played Frankenstein in Young Frankenstein which is my favourite comedy film ever !
Melissa & Joey is ok, as is the King of Queens.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:22 pm
by evensteadiereddie
claptrappers_union wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:35 am
Its dreadful, like too many US comedies they try to squeeze in too many jokes.
That's a shame but no surprise, I guess.
Like the "Detectorists", "Ghosts" has a very British subtlety to it as well as the daft stuff.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:26 pm
by Spijed
evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:22 pm
That's a shame but no surprise, I guess.
Like the "Detectorists", "Ghosts" has a very British subtlety to it as well as the daft stuff.
Could you imagine America trying to re-create the original "Open All Hours"?
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 1:42 pm
by Chester Perry
yTib wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:08 pm
having been a fan of the original i didn't know what to expect in this post curb your enthusiasm comedy landscape.
two episodes in and it seems they should've left it alone.
and nicholas lyndhurst is in it as well so...
2nd episode better than the first, but overall a weak shadow of the original
The characterisations are falling into place - you have:
Frasier's son Freddie essentially playing Frasier's dad, Marty's role
Niles son David playing the Niles role
Nicholas Lyndhurst playing the Ros role
and it appears Eve will be the Daphne role
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 2:44 pm
by claptrappers_union
evensteadiereddie wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 12:22 pm
That's a shame but no surprise, I guess.
Like the "Detectorists", "Ghosts" has a very British subtlety to it as well as the daft stuff.
I don't think it's about subtlety or daft stuff... I think it's an American sitcom wanting five jokes per script page rather than letting the characters develop, laying out the episode plot, developing a story arc over a series and having 1 or 2 good jokes per script page.
Only a few sitcoms can manage to have both... Arrested Development could develop characters, tell a story, have almost every line as a setup, punchline or callback, and even swap them around in writing cleverly. That's the best-written sitcom that's ever been produced.
Like I said when the Americans do TV well... But in general, even the British ones, most sitcoms are crap. My gut tells me this Fraiser one might be crap too.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:07 pm
by yTib
could never get away with arrested development but a few people have said it's amazing so might give it a second go.
Re: the new frasier
Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2023 9:32 am
by dougcollins
Frasier could never surpass it's precursor.
In my opinion.